Episode 1: Bakers Dozen Pt1 - With Guests Dani Sophia and Luna Vixen

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,120 Disclaimer. This podcast features explicit language and discussion sexual in nature. 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:10,080 It may contain subjects uncomfortable to some. Please understand that the opinions 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:16,080 shared on this podcast are not a representation of any organization or employer that most may be a part of. 4 00:00:16,080 --> 00:00:38,160 Well, pretend like we just met. I mean, we just met. So yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what you tell the 5 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:44,240 cashier. You're like, you know, I'm a porn star. So it's really open and honest. Yeah, 6 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:51,600 yeah. Sounds like a typical conversation you would have as a cashier. Porn, porn, porn, porn. 7 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:57,760 You want to know how we got into the industry? Yeah. What, yeah, what brought you, what got 8 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:03,680 you interested? But I got into the industry in like 2017. I was working at a bakery and, 9 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:09,360 you're working at a bakery. I was, what kind of, I was like a chef sorta. I just like made food 10 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:18,560 and I got on Reddit and started making money and left that job behind very quickly because I made 11 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:24,800 a lot of money doing it. The Reddit times. Yeah. I remember the Reddit times. The Reddit times. Yeah. 12 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:34,720 I was working on a podcast for insert redacted name because they don't work for them anymore. 13 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:42,480 If you want to figure it out bad enough, I'm sure you can. And one of the guests that we had on was 14 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:49,040 Bailey J. Oh. And I messaged her afterwards and was like, Hey, thank you for being so articulate. 15 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,120 Thank you for having like such positive trans representation. That was like such a good 16 00:01:53,120 --> 00:02:00,560 conversation. And her and I ended up talking and hanging out and studying the Bible together. And- 17 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,120 Oh, interesting. No, no, that's- Is that a medical? 18 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:12,320 Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And as, and we are very good friends and she gave me a really good idea for 19 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:17,520 OnlyFans. She was like, Hey, you have a nice butt. You should do like yoga, but on OnlyFans, but like 20 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,400 nude. And she was like, if you start an OnlyFans, I'll help you promote your stuff. So I did like 21 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:29,040 naked yoga tips on OnlyFans for a little while. And she gave me a super big boost and was super 22 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:36,800 nice. And she's been my porn mom ever since. And then I met Luna and Luna and I started dating and 23 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:43,920 then working together. And now I'm here. That's amazing. Welcome. Yeah. Welcome. And also, 24 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:51,200 that's awesome to hear that like there's other women who work in the industry that are actually 25 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:57,440 that, you know, real. Yeah. Bailey's a very, very sweet person. And we like never talk about porn 26 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,840 when we talk and hang out. Yeah. That is always like really wholesome in my opinion. It's like, 27 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,000 yeah, she was super wholesome vibes when we met her. Yeah. She just wants to talk about like 28 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:11,040 meditation and spirituality. Yeah. Yeah. It's nice to have conversations outside of like, like when 29 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:17,440 you work at a deli or a bakery, sorry, when you work at a bakery, when you get off work, you don't 30 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:23,680 want to talk about bakery stuff. Yeah. So like, why do we want to like, we do sex all the time. Why 31 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:28,880 like on our free time, it's not like we're like, Hey, let's talk about sex. Yeah. I'm usually 32 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:35,440 talking about video games or something. Yeah, for shame. Usually like talking about VR or like 33 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:46,880 crazy electronic music. So what are your internet names? I am Danny Sophia and Luna Vixen. Yeah. 34 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:52,800 Is this where we can find your, we just searched on the Twitter? Yeah, I'm Danny Sophia xxx and 35 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:58,640 she's Luna Vixen xxx. Oh, if you just, if anyone, if y'all want to, you know, take a look or anything, 36 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:08,000 it's a thing. Go find them. Yeah. Go find them. Leave a follow. Yeah. We had some topics of 37 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:17,520 discussion. So we do. We do have like a long list. It's gonna be a very jam packed episode. 38 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:26,560 Good. So you two are from Texas, correct? I'm from Alabama originally. Oh, okay. Yeah, we live in 39 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:34,720 Austin. Okay. My wife's actually from Alabama. So we're in Birmingham. All right. That's where I'm 40 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:43,120 from. Small world, small world. Yeah, that's crazy. And then I think like our part of Florida was 41 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:50,160 actually like known as like lower Alabama. Yeah. Oh, you're from PCB as well? Yeah. Okay. Totally. 42 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,480 Definitely. Yeah, I used to go down there for like spring break and stuff. Like when I was like a 43 00:04:54,480 --> 00:05:02,400 teenager. Oh my god. The whole world. Literally everyone. Seriously. Yeah. Oh gosh. There's 44 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:09,680 actually a documentary on Netflix about like hookup culture and 80% of it is filmed in PCB. That's 45 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:17,040 amazing. Yeah, it was like I was kind of like switching like through videos on like Netflix 46 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:25,440 and like what was it? I think it was like club la vila or spinnaker maybe I think like something 47 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:31,120 like popped up and I was like, is that spinnaker? Is that and then like I like clicked on it. I was 48 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:41,600 like, holy shit. I was like, oh, no. Oh, boy. Anyways, I feel like Texas is kind of like the 49 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:53,200 when you talk about LGBT issues, Texas is kind of like known as like a very hot topic, like it's 50 00:05:53,200 --> 00:06:01,040 craziness, just in regards of the anti LGBT kind of mood down there. And then also with them 51 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:08,720 currently trying to pass like a lot of anti LGBT like laws or whatever into legislation. 52 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:19,120 So currently I pulled up and according to some research I found online, there are 88 pro LGBT 53 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:26,560 bills. Specifically talking about, you know, kind of trying to protect LGBT rights or 54 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:33,120 kind of give back some of the rights that have been lost. And then there's 85 anti LGBT bills 55 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:44,240 that are still active. A couple of them that I found interesting. So something that was actually 56 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:53,440 turned down, like it got killed in the house was eliminating the quote gay panic and quote 57 00:06:53,440 --> 00:07:01,440 trans panic as a legal defense. What? So what that means, oh, eliminate I thought you I thought you 58 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:10,720 said allowing it I was like, what? No, but basically what this means is if someone 59 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:20,000 someone does a crime against an LGBT or trans person, they can actually legally use the defense 60 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:29,600 of, you know, gay panic or trans panic. Currently as law. Yes, they can. Which is like insane to 61 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:34,640 me. And I actually found like a list of states where you're actually able legally to use the 62 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:40,720 as like a defense. So if somebody did, for instance, murder someone, they could say like, oh, I 63 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:47,520 murdered them out of gay panic. I wasn't mentally prepared to be respectful to you as a human being. 64 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:54,400 I'm sorry. Right. Which so keep in mind, like, they would have to go through like the legal system, 65 00:07:54,400 --> 00:08:01,680 right. So the jury would have to find them, you know, not in the legal system. So I think 66 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:09,280 the jury would have to find them, you know, not guilty or guilty or whatever. But the fact that 67 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:17,120 Texas is one of the states that still allows that defense. And then currently, I, to me, 68 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:28,480 one of the biggest topics that I saw like going through the list was so SB 97 banning the harmful 69 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:34,720 practice of conversion therapy is actually currently trying to be passed. So this would make it 70 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:41,520 illegal for churches, for instance, to try to do like pray the gay away or conversion therapy. 71 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,680 I can't even believe conversion therapy is still a word being like, 72 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:56,720 yeah. So I do want to say like, it does look like, you know, there is, there are people fighting 73 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:02,240 in Texas, you know, the fact that there's 88 pro LGBT bills trying to be passed. That's very 74 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:11,200 positive. I think I saw last year, like 30 anti LGBT bills were shot down. Oh, wow. Texas actually 75 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:24,080 has a very large LGBTQ population. So according to LGBT map.org, there's over 1 million LGBT 76 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:33,840 members in Texas. So that's a large community. Yes. And for how, how much anti trans bills 77 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:39,200 there's going on in there. That's just, it just proves no one wants no one wants to give up that 78 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:45,280 fight. No one wants to give up the fight. I so personally, and I want to get your opinion on 79 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:54,000 this. Personally, I think a lot of the very like, extreme right wing people there, I feel like they 80 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,160 they feel that they're losing power, right? And they're trying to get all these bills passed. 81 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,960 However, since there is such a large population, they're not able to, like they're getting shot 82 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:13,440 down, which is great. That's great. But I am not trans and I'm not from Texas. So what do you guys 83 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:25,680 think like how what is it like to just be you in Texas? It's given me an opportunity to observe 84 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:33,520 a lot a lot of the most that I've learned about how people actually feel was before transition, 85 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,160 which is not something that a lot of people talk about. But it is a very interesting experience 86 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:46,400 being in a very male dominated culture and taking part in that. And then willingly destroying your 87 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:55,200 male privilege, and then watching that go away and then existing with it gone. It is very bizarre. 88 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:01,440 There are like anywhere else, I think there's a lot of good people and there's a lot of bad people. 89 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:08,800 But one thing that constantly surprises me is how many angles transphobic people can come at it from. 90 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:14,000 One thing that Luna and I talked about that blew my mind when Luna talked to me about this, 91 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:19,600 and this is a part of a much larger conversation that the South very much takes part in, 92 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:26,960 is a lot of these people that are transphobic are transphobic because it has to do with race. 93 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:34,480 Specifically a lot of the alt-right members that are talking about preserving their race, trans 94 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:41,200 people who do not have the ability to procreate cannot help do that. And then that is something 95 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,640 that they are against for that reason, which is a part of a much larger, scarier conversation. 96 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:55,200 But that is one particular facet of transphobia that is a lot more prevalent in the South. 97 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:04,640 That we are willingly giving up our ability to procreate? 98 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:16,320 Yeah, and because of that there are white nationalists that think that that race cannot 99 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:21,200 then be preserved and continued in their most desirable form. 100 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:33,040 Yeah, that is insane. Being from the South and being raised pretty religious, everyone 101 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:40,320 is like, oh, the South, like Southern hospitality. And I am like, hey, stop. That only pertains to 102 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:48,000 if you follow their religion and you vote the way that they vote and you fit into a perfect box and 103 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:57,840 they know you. Everyone is super nice and super helpful if you step outside of that in any way. 104 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,000 Basically, you are enemy number one at that point. 105 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:16,400 It is definitely rough. I feel we both can feel you on transitioning in a Southern state. It is 106 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:22,160 definitely rough. But it seems like Texas definitely has a big positive trans movement there. 107 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:28,000 Austin is the queerest place I have ever been and it is absolutely amazing. I love it so much 108 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:33,840 because we have a wonderful R&B and jazz scene there and we have a wonderful LGBT scene and those 109 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:41,040 two are very intertwined. It is wonderful to see queer jazz musicians because that is amazing. 110 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:48,560 And in Austin, you said it was very friendly and stuff. I imagine you both enjoy living in Austin, 111 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:52,880 even though the majority of the state seems like it could be pretty scary to live in if you are 112 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:58,080 part of our community. Or even just not a straight white person. 113 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:04,960 Austin is super great. I love it there. Dallas did not like it. It was the only place I have 114 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:11,440 actually experienced discrimination since being trans. In DFW. 115 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,800 Wow, that is actually pretty amazing. For a Southern state. At the airport? 116 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:23,120 No, just like at Deep Ellum in Dallas. It is amazing that like... 117 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,920 Bunch of dive bars and shit. Do you want to talk about it? 118 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,000 You could be in such a conservative area. What happened? 119 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,480 Just like I was literally just in a parking lot trying to park my car and this guy like 120 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,560 freaked out on me because I was trans and just like wouldn't let me park my car there. 121 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:44,720 And was like taking pictures of my car and like freaking the fuck out. So I just like 122 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,480 got in my car and left. Wow. 123 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,040 I was just like... Like no, you can't park here. 124 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:56,880 Well, it was like he was like berating me and this guy just kind of like freaked out and called me a 125 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:03,200 tranny freak and just like wouldn't let me park and just like kept yelling at me to fucking get the 126 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,240 fuck out and so I left. You're trying to park your car. 127 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,800 I was trying to park so I could go like see a show for my friend's band and I just like 128 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,000 didn't even go to the show because it was just like... 129 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,600 People are so... There's no better word for it. It's just crazy. 130 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,360 Yeah, people are just like off their fucking rocker. 131 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:28,080 When they're... Ignorance makes them like do crazy shit. That's for sure. 132 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:35,680 Yeah, I don't really understand it. But yeah, Alabama must have been rough, 133 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,280 but it sounds like you're in a better... Yeah, Alabama was fine to be honest. 134 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,400 Like no one ever treated me bad. Everyone just wanted to fuck. 135 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,840 Like that was the problem there. Everyone just wanted to fuck. 136 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,520 Everyone just wanted to fuck all the time. That's the only issue that I had there. 137 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,040 They're just bored. Wow. 138 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:59,840 I guess people in Florida are just more... Oh, I've been had horrible things said to me 139 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,200 in public in Florida. Yeah, it's pretty bad. 140 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:09,280 Well, it makes me grateful to know that other places in the south have such safe havens 141 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,640 for our community. Yeah, definitely. 142 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,440 Definitely. Because, you know... 143 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:21,760 Austin's amazing because we hang out with other trans girls every other week and we can go out 144 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:26,880 in the town and do stuff. There's a gay district basically. 145 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:32,640 Yeah, it's 4th Street. So there's just a line of gay clubs and it is fucking amazing 146 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:39,040 because the music is top notch. It is just the best club music you've ever heard. 147 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,720 Oh, that's great. It's wonderful. 148 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,200 It's wonderful. That sounds fun. 149 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:48,640 Yeah, and they have vending machines where you can get packs of Delta 8 cigarettes there. 150 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,320 Yeah, you can get weed in a vending machine. 151 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,880 Yeah, you can just get weed in a vending machine and then go to a gay club. 152 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,920 It's 2023. We're in the year of revolutions or evolutions. 153 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,200 Yeah, it's revolution but there's like little parentheses around the R. 154 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,520 Have you ever been to Texas, Jay? 155 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:20,080 I have not. My wife and I, we have done multiple road trips around the country. 156 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:28,160 There, to be honest, Texas was one of the states that we don't really think there's anything there. 157 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:28,480 Yep. 158 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:29,040 To go see. 159 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,800 Well, there's a lot of beautiful national parks there but that's about it. 160 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,520 There's a lot of wonderful music coming out of Texas. 161 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:38,400 Yeah, apparently there's a lot of good... 162 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,160 Yeah, Texas need a proper class for this one. 163 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,320 R&B music, jazz? 164 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:47,280 Yeah, Robert Glasper who's a Texas native just won a Grammy for best R&B performance. 165 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,160 You should check him out. He is amazing. 166 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,440 Yeah, Robert Glasper is dope. 167 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,840 Yeah, we're gonna have to remember that. 168 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:54,880 Yeah, Robert Glasper. 169 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,600 Yeah, amazing, amazing, amazing. 170 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:08,160 So, actually November 30th last year, the National Terrorism Advisory System 171 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:15,520 actually put out a bulletin stating that the LGBTQ community was 172 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,760 quote, targets of potential violence. 173 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,200 This was not based just out of Texas, it was country wide. 174 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:31,280 So, yeah, I just want to kind of ask, does everyone feel safe? 175 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,280 I know Washington's probably gonna be a little bit different from Texas, 176 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,840 totally different atmosphere, but like what you guys just described, it seems like Texas, 177 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,440 the area that you're in at least, like Texas sounds pretty good. 178 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:51,280 Yeah, yeah, the most unsafe thing about being trans in Texas is a lack of support system 179 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:57,520 that a lot of people have because they may not get berated when they walk down the street, 180 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:03,440 but their families will often rail against them and pull out that support system from them. 181 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:08,720 Because the greatest thing that anyone is looking for to maintain a sense of happiness 182 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,800 on a most fundamental level is connection. 183 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:15,360 And that is the biggest thing that I have found is stripped away from trans people 184 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:19,920 who are suffering greatly is a lack of authentic and loving connection. 185 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:20,560 Yeah. 186 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,560 Whether it's with their family or with other people around them. 187 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,560 And usually we try to seek out our family first to get that connection with, 188 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,800 and they're the first ones to tear that, make that wound. 189 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,880 Yeah, and that's the biggest thing. 190 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:33,380 Yeah. 191 00:19:33,380 --> 00:19:34,480 Bigger, basically. 192 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:34,980 Yeah. 193 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:42,480 It's kind of like segues into a very difficult subject to talk about. 194 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,320 And also this is across the pond. 195 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:52,320 So those of you that don't know, Breanna Gay, 16 years old, was found dead, stabbed to death. 196 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:59,760 She was stabbed to death in broad daylight in a public park in the UK. 197 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,720 Two people were arrested, a 15 year old girl and a 15 year old boy. 198 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:10,160 They are the prime suspects of this brutal murder. 199 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,600 Breanna Gay had a TikTok. 200 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,640 I did not, I don't have a TikTok. 201 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:17,680 I didn't follow her. 202 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,360 But from the news stories that I read, evidently on her TikTok, 203 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:27,360 she would talk often about people bullying her at school. 204 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:37,280 So my biggest question here is, because since we are where we are, and given our age, 205 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,360 everyone kind of says, hey, we feel pretty safe in Texas. 206 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:45,040 We feel pretty safe in Washington. 207 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:46,880 That's great. 208 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:51,680 How do we help the trans youth? 209 00:20:51,680 --> 00:21:00,480 When evidently a 16 year old kind of puts out there on the internet, like I'm being bullied 210 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:07,600 and I'm being picked on, how do we make sure that that's not overlooked and not just kind of like 211 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,840 dismissed and make sure that something like this doesn't happen again? 212 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:17,280 I think definitely putting it out there first and foremost for people to hear, because 213 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:23,280 the big thing with transgender news or anything with our community basically is just like 214 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,240 the lack of information. 215 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:34,000 Thankfully, I've seen progress throughout the years on this because I feel like 10 years ago, 216 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,680 this wouldn't have met any kind of headlines, not even on YouTube. 217 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,800 So you said just getting it out there. 218 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:42,400 So I would say that... 219 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,640 Getting it out there as far as news. 220 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:50,800 Like news companies' coverage, because just like how we're talking about it, 221 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:56,720 it's important to talk about it because other people hear about it and they hear about the 222 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,720 bullying that happened because they otherwise maybe they might not ever hear about it. 223 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:01,520 And that's important. 224 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,200 But is that enough? 225 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,560 No, it's definitely not enough. 226 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:17,440 There's so much more probably we could do, but it's so difficult with all the people against us. 227 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:25,440 Yeah, I think what Danny has to say about public education reform, I think it comes down to a lot 228 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,000 of that stuff. 229 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,640 I think teachers and counselors need to be more present and parents need to... 230 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,920 The adults need to take control when things like that are happening. 231 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,360 Well, they need to step up. 232 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:36,800 And the parents of like... 233 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,680 I wonder what kind of life the kids have that stabbed them. 234 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,760 I mean, 15 year old to stab somebody. 235 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,920 I mean, they must not have the best home life. 236 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,160 And if they do, what went wrong? 237 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:55,600 Yeah, that's the thing that really gets me about this is that I honestly do not believe 238 00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:01,840 that people are born with this hatred inside of them. 239 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:02,320 Right? 240 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,520 Like this is learned, like this is taught. 241 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:17,840 And the fact that two 15 year old people so young could do such a brutal murder. 242 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:23,840 I mean, keep in mind, stabbing you are up close and personal with that person. 243 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,400 So to hate somebody to that level, to take it to that extreme. 244 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,200 That's intense. 245 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,400 I hear someone like screaming for you to stop while you're killing them. 246 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,200 Surely. 247 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,000 Yeah. 248 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,120 You must be deranged. 249 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:39,680 You have to have you like, there's got to be stuff going on at home. 250 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:49,280 And to be honest, I am not super familiar with the climate for LGBT in the UK. 251 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:57,840 However, just to kind of like give everyone an idea, the news reports also reported that 252 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:05,040 the vigils in honor of Brianna Gay in several cities around the UK were interrupted by anti 253 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:12,400 LGBT protesters shouting and screaming at them while they're mourning Brianna Gay, which 254 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,880 I think that kind of tells you enough of the climate of the UK. 255 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,200 When it comes to the LGBT, but it's so fucking aggravating. 256 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,680 It's just like, just give them a moment piece. 257 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:30,160 Well, they don't see our lives as they see us as like less like subhuman, basically. 258 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,440 Well, they see it as someone's like vigil. 259 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,520 It's like you're you don't like see me as a human being. 260 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,320 Yeah. 261 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,120 Yeah. 262 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:40,320 They see it as a performance. 263 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,160 It's just, oh my God. 264 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:51,840 Just to be disassociated as a human just because people can't accept your life the way you 265 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,320 they it doesn't even like affect them, but they just have to be so passionate about hating 266 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:56,880 you. 267 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:02,000 And like like Jay was saying, I feel like a lot of this hate just passed down generation 268 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,120 after generation. 269 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:09,280 And all it takes is one of those generations to be like, I'm not going to be able to do 270 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,200 those generations to be like, I'm going to stop being ignorant. 271 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,400 And then they teach their kids to not be ignorant. 272 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,960 And then it's get passed on, but no one wants to step up. 273 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:29,520 And I and I do think, you know, the UK does have a very big problem with the anti gay 274 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,320 stuff and anti LGBT things going on over there. 275 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,880 It's not an easy area to transition in. 276 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,040 I will say it is slowly making a difference. 277 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:48,160 People are like slowly stepping up, for instance, coming out here and just like meeting 278 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,000 kind of the generation that's behind us. 279 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,960 When LGBT stuff comes up, when people are like, oh, you know, like, people be very shy 280 00:25:58,960 --> 00:25:59,920 and like, oh, I'm gay. 281 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,680 I've like personally where I work at, I've noticed like so many people are like, oh, 282 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:06,960 like, so what? 283 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:08,880 Cool. 284 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:14,880 When I was in college, I went back to college at a much later age in my life. 285 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,560 The 18, 19 year olds, like everyone's like, everyone's bi. 286 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:28,160 Like they're like, you know, someone was like, oh, I'm bisexual. 287 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,320 Everyone's like, yeah, so are we what's going on here? 288 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,960 Why are we still talking about it? 289 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,000 And then also like even at work, like, you know, I kind of I told I told people about 290 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,680 like, you know, about the podcast and about like me being into BDSM and I'm just like, 291 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,280 so I don't understand like what the big deal is. 292 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:53,440 So I do think the generation that's coming up behind us, they are very much open. 293 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:58,960 I think the Internet kind of explains a lot of that because they're just exposed to so much. 294 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:05,360 So slowly these these families that are raising like generation after generations of, you know, 295 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:09,280 being very anti LGBT are slowly fading out. 296 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,400 It's just going to take time. 297 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:10,880 Yeah. 298 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:11,600 Oh, yeah. 299 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,080 And I am just I'm thankful it's gotten to the point that it's at right now. 300 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:22,160 That's I am thankful, but I feel like if we weren't held back so much, it could be so 301 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,040 much further. 302 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,040 We could be so much further along. 303 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,640 But that's the best thing. 304 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:32,080 It's just stupidity and ignorance holds us back all the time. 305 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:35,060 Yeah. 306 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,200 Yeah, it's hard to know how to feel about all of this because I see so much good mixed 307 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,240 in with so much bad. 308 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,280 And it's hard to not let the bad infect the good. 309 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,440 And it's hard to let the small amount of good cover up the large amount of bad. 310 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:49,920 Yeah. 311 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:56,720 So it's not like some of these people that are against, you know, LGBT community or any 312 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,000 of us is it's not because they actually have a deep hate. 313 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,200 It's just because they don't understand. 314 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:06,400 They just need an explanation that's simple enough for them to understand because I'll 315 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,480 be, you know, the smartest people ever. 316 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:08,960 Yeah. 317 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,720 Hate is actually a very fragile thing. 318 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:16,320 And I found that ignorance is a lot more sustaining than hate is because I see hate is a runoff 319 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,160 of excessive ignorance. 320 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,000 Yeah, exactly. 321 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:25,440 Also, I will say I think with the internet, like everyone's under a microscope. 322 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:25,840 Right. 323 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,400 So like, if you say the wrong thing, everyone's going to be on top of you. 324 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,720 It's going to be shared millions of times. 325 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:38,480 So I think a lot of people are being a little bit more aware of what they're saying, at least. 326 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:45,920 Which, you know, it's not it's not good to like, on the inside, be very anti LGBT. 327 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,880 But if you are anti LGBT, please keep it to yourself. 328 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,180 Exactly. 329 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,520 But yeah, so I think that's having a very big impact. 330 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:04,000 We still see some really like messed up stuff like what happened in what was it Arkansas? 331 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:12,080 The the senator in Arkansas just recently, not too long ago, asked a trans woman who 332 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:12,800 was testifying. 333 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,600 Oh my god. 334 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,080 Yeah. 335 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,680 If she had a penis, like totally, totally normal question. 336 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:24,080 reported in the transcription of the meeting notes, probably. 337 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,760 I can't believe a senator. 338 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,840 Yeah, I don't I don't know his name. 339 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,640 Senator. 340 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:29,120 It's just, 341 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,880 I can sit there and ask a question like that. 342 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,320 Are you telling us that you're unfamiliar with a large body of medical evidence of the 343 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,920 harm that has come upon people that have gone through these processes? 344 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,920 I'm familiar with a large body of evidence that shows that providing good affirming care 345 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:46,800 saves lives. 346 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,520 Are you saying that you're unaware of the large body of medical evidence of the harm 347 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,800 that has come upon these people in these processes have been gone through? 348 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:55,040 I will. 349 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,960 Are you unaware of that body of evidence? 350 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,240 I will repeat what I just said. 351 00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,360 Are you unaware of that body of evidence? 352 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,400 I will repeat what I just said. 353 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,640 You said that you're a trans woman. 354 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,440 A trans female. 355 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,000 Yes, sir. 356 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:12,640 Do you have a penis? 357 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,760 That's horrible. 358 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,680 You're the one you're the one that brought that into the discussion. 359 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,240 I never said anything about genitalia. 360 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:29,360 The thing is like the person testifying, she had a PhD in pharmacy. 361 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,760 She was also there testifying for affirming care. 362 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:42,240 Something that she is qualified, she is a trans female, she's testifying for it, 363 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,640 and right in the middle, the senator asked, do you have a penis? 364 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:52,080 And then the audacity of him also afterwards to be like, 365 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,400 well, you're the one that brought up the subject of the penis. 366 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:55,760 It's fucking wild. 367 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,080 This just goes back to the respect that Danny and I were saying. 368 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,720 But I will say, like he has refused from last time I tracked, 369 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,920 he has refused to comment on the situation because he knows. 370 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:09,520 I think he knows. 371 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,200 He's like, fuck. 372 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:11,440 Yeah. 373 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,640 I just fucked up. 374 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:12,880 Yeah. 375 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,400 Asked the dumbest question ever. 376 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,480 My political career is probably over. 377 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,280 Well, the worst thing is that it's probably not over. 378 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:21,520 Yeah. 379 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,600 He definitely, I definitely think he 380 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,480 made a mark on his career, but unfortunately, these senators these days, they're like, 381 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,280 what, they're in office for 10 plus years. 382 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,320 Yeah, just career policy. 383 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:39,920 You don't think they say something stupid in those like 10 or in their career? 384 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:40,320 Oh, yeah. 385 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:40,820 Come on. 386 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,960 I feel really, I just feel bad for her. 387 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,800 And that's like, that's embarrassing. 388 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,520 How embarrassing to be asked that like. 389 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,360 Yeah, especially if you're a professional. 390 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,120 She has, she's a doctor. 391 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,640 Yeah. 392 00:31:54,640 --> 00:32:00,960 And this man wants to disrespect that by asking that kind of question. 393 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:01,600 I. 394 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,320 I think it's appropriate to ask that kind of question. 395 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,600 If there were anybody else. 396 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,720 I just want to say we've all been asked if we have penises like a lot of times, right? 397 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:11,360 I have not. 398 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,720 Yeah, that's a normal thing. 399 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,720 I have no idea what you're talking about. 400 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:18,160 Yeah, of course. 401 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,200 Nobody has asked me if I have a penis. 402 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,200 I've been asked how big my penis is. 403 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:23,760 All right. 404 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:24,560 That did happen. 405 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:25,360 Also. 406 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:32,080 But that, yeah, no one's like, it was like, that was like one time though, like literally 407 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,120 one time in my life, somebody came up to me and was like, how big is your penis? 408 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,240 That was in high school. 409 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,280 Yeah, actually. 410 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,560 That checks out. 411 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:41,280 Wait, what? 412 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,560 I think I know who may have asked you that question. 413 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,120 What? 414 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,640 I think I know what. 415 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,160 It was Spanish class. 416 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,360 I think it was Spanish class. 417 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,360 I know what it was Spanish class and I do not think you were in my Spanish class. 418 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,680 No, but I think I know of a person that may have asked. 419 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,480 Now, well, different time for that subject. 420 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,600 But yeah, that's a normal thing. 421 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,760 Trans women get asked. 422 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:16,080 I think for me, being kinky and into BDSM, the thing that I see is when I kind of choose 423 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:22,320 to like tell somebody about that, hey, I'm into BDSM, their first reaction is like, oh, 424 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:22,880 what? 425 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:23,520 Wow. 426 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:24,020 Okay. 427 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,440 Often they have a ton of questions. 428 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,640 They're very curious. 429 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,400 Typically, it's people I know, right? 430 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,280 Like it's my friends and I'm like, oh yeah, by the way, I'm into that. 431 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:44,400 The only thing that I get a lot of is sometimes I'll get like very weird looks and be like, 432 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:55,280 so your wife, so she's a submissive and you, and I can like piece it together very quickly 433 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,920 because this is like what BDSM people, we fear. 434 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,440 We're all painted as like males, at least. 435 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,080 We're all painted as like wife beaters and we're all like, oh, 436 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,560 no, no, no, not at all. 437 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,920 I'm the submissive. 438 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:12,640 I'm into that. 439 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,800 It's the other way around. 440 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,160 And then it's very awkward because their whole demeanor changes. 441 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,720 They're like, oh, okay, like it's perfectly fine now. 442 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:25,920 And then they're like, oh, and I'm like, it's a little weird. 443 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,320 But I can totally kind of, I can see both sides of it. 444 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,120 I can see the, with the, what was his name? 445 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:40,720 The recent BDSM scandal that happened with the movie actor. 446 00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:41,680 Oh God. 447 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:43,760 I can't. 448 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,480 Army Hammer. 449 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,760 Yes, Army Hammer. 450 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,600 So there are predators out there. 451 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:50,320 Who? 452 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:50,960 Army Hammer. 453 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,360 Is that the name of a... 454 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,960 That's a person with a human name. 455 00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:58,960 Army Hammer. 456 00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:59,600 That's his name. 457 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,320 Army Hammer. 458 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:00,820 Yeah. 459 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,020 Okay. 460 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:08,480 So I, I don't want to super get into the topic. 461 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,400 He's a complete piece of shit. 462 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:18,480 Maybe like two years ago, he was in a movie with Henry Cavill where there were spies, 463 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:19,440 the man from Uncle. 464 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,520 He's a pretty well-known movie star. 465 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,760 He comes from a like oil tycoon family. 466 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,520 Like he comes from money and everything like that. 467 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:40,160 So many girls have come out and said, you know, he essentially against their consent 468 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:45,360 tied, he would tie them up, gag them so they could not say no. 469 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,000 He did not get consent to do this. 470 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,240 He did not explain what was happening. 471 00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:53,760 And these are very important guidelines in the BDSM world. 472 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,720 Typically there's a lot of communications if it's done correctly, you specifically say 473 00:35:58,720 --> 00:35:59,680 what's going to happen. 474 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,880 You can send to it. 475 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,320 You have safe words. 476 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,480 He did not do any of that. 477 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,280 He would tie them up. 478 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,520 He would gag them and then he would rape them. 479 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:13,440 And there's even like screenshotted tweets or I think Instagram messages going back and 480 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,120 forth where he was like, oh, I, that was so good last night. 481 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,480 And the girl's like, fuck you. 482 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,160 Like I hated it. 483 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,080 I couldn't tell you to stop. 484 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,920 And he's like, oh, I loved it. 485 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,120 Like you want to do that again? 486 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,640 And she's like, you raped me. 487 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,040 Like, and I'm paraphrasing the fuck out of that. 488 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,040 Yeah, that's, but it's there. 489 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,320 There's a documentary on it. 490 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,360 Um, I think the documentary isn't the best. 491 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,880 Um, but it does kind of highlight like what happened. 492 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,720 So I can kind of see like both sides. 493 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:46,240 I see the side of like, there are like male predators out there that will target BDSM 494 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,720 women because he, they think like they can get away with anything. 495 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:55,280 Um, around the other side of it, it's like, uh, you kind of like just put me into a box 496 00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,560 and a stereotype, like the unfortunate thing there, I think is, you know, now you also 497 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:08,000 have people that when they hear BDSM, now they're going to think of, oh, so like that, 498 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,000 that's the lifestyle that they do. 499 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:10,800 Yeah. 500 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:17,520 Um, it's like, no, not no, unfortunately also 50 shades of gray, like kind of ruined that. 501 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,680 Um, there was actually a recent video. 502 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:28,720 There was also, uh, for instance, I saw, um, Evie Lupine. 503 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:30,560 Does anyone know Evie Lupine? 504 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,480 This is like another crazy name that I didn't know. 505 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,600 It's like army hammer, Evie Lupine. 506 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,680 I'm like, I feel so out of the loop. 507 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:47,760 Um, I will say it makes sense that maybe you don't know these names. 508 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,560 Uh, so Evie Lupine, she is a BDSM educator. 509 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,840 She's here in Seattle. 510 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,040 She's on YouTube. 511 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,000 Uh, she makes really great videos. 512 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,800 Um, I follow her. 513 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:06,640 I, I watch her videos, you know, click here for a video. 514 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,960 No, um, she, she makes really good, like education videos. 515 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,200 Uh, the only thing I might say is because she is obviously female, she's going to be 516 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,880 speaking from her side of things. 517 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:23,200 So those of us that are into the BDSM scene that are males, some, sometimes it's not really 518 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,400 relevant to us. 519 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,200 Um, but again, she's just kind of like, she's speaking her truth. 520 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,880 She lives that lifestyle. 521 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,800 Um, it's what she does. 522 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:38,160 So, but Evie Lupine, for instance, she recently did a video of, uh, kink versus BDSM. 523 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:44,320 And it was a very interesting topic because, and I could see like Evie Lupine also struggle 524 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,440 with this in the video. 525 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,320 Cause she, I believe she said like, she was talking to somebody and they kind of like 526 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,120 mixed up between kink and BDSM. 527 00:38:53,120 --> 00:39:00,560 And for me personally, when you're like reading books, um, like nonfiction books or research 528 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:06,320 or, um, whatever, they'll use like kink and BDSM. 529 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,400 Like interchangeably, right? 530 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:16,080 So what's really interesting is when I'm feeling like nervous when I'm talking to somebody 531 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,920 and I can feel them like, kind of like prying, like, Oh, what's that? 532 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,040 Like, what's that bracelet? 533 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,200 Like on your wrist, which, so like, like this. 534 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,760 So this is actually from like a BDSM website. 535 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,120 Um, I believe it's eternity collars. 536 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,240 So like, I think it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's 537 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:37,920 like, I'm like, this is a BDSM. 538 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:43,520 This is like to symbolize to the BDSM community. 539 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,360 I am owned essentially. 540 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,720 Fancy, fancy. 541 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:50,680 Um, but sometimes I'll feel like people like, yeah. 542 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,240 And they also do make collars. 543 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:54,920 Um, so like collars go around your neck, the same thing. 544 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,720 I like the wrist thing. 545 00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:01,160 I, I believe like the moment I wear something around my neck, I'm going to get like asked 546 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,080 like 50 million questions. 547 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,360 So for me, like in a very professional environment, I can slap it on my wrist. 548 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,720 Uh, no questions asked. 549 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:10,960 Everyone kind of like overlooks it. 550 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,520 They're like, Oh, cool. 551 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,240 It's a nifty little like bracelet thing. 552 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:21,600 Um, but I will say like, if I feel like someone's like, kind of like curious and they're like 553 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,400 prying, they're like asking questions, but I do not know how they're going to respond. 554 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,880 I'll say like, Oh yeah. 555 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,080 Like I'm kinky. 556 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:34,760 And that, that can like leave it open to like a much broader thing. 557 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,080 If it's like a friend of mine that I've known for like a few months and I kind of like felt 558 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,360 them out a little bit, I'll say like, Oh yeah, I'm into BDSM. 559 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:48,240 Um, but there was an interesting kind of like discussion of like, what's the difference 560 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:50,080 between the two. 561 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:56,480 And I think for me personally is that kink is anything that's like outside of like vanilla 562 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,480 sex essentially. 563 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,480 Right. 564 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,480 And that's what like, I think that's like the definition, like a kink in the rope. 565 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,480 Right. 566 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:11,400 Um, and then BDSM, if I had to like very easily like simplify it, it would be, there's some 567 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:16,480 sort of power exchange there, whether it's a bondage, cause you have to like give up 568 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:22,680 power to be tied up, um, or discipline, whatever it is, like there's typically some sort of 569 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:23,680 power exchange. 570 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,960 But, um, but yeah, it was a very interesting topic. 571 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,440 Um, and that's just some, something I do to kind of like get around like the awkwardness. 572 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,840 Like, I'll just say like, Oh, I'm kinky. 573 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:41,800 So when I lived in Alabama, I would go to these events like every weekend and they were 574 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:47,120 like BDSM, like, uh, I don't know, talks, they would just talk about different subjects 575 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,120 every week. 576 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,880 And eventually we did like, I went to like the dungeon for like the local space and you 577 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:53,880 get vetted and all that. 578 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,240 And it was a lot of fun for sure. 579 00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:01,800 And very interesting, um, lots of different dynamics in the, in the community. 580 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:08,400 I was just about to ask, what was your experience with the BDSM community and those kinds of 581 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:14,560 things or you just started just like, Jay was saying just to have a kinky side. 582 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,360 I mean, at the time I was like pretty into it. 583 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,840 I was going like every weekend for like a year. 584 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:20,840 Oh wow. 585 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:21,840 Oh wow. 586 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:22,960 How'd you like it? 587 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:23,960 A lot. 588 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:24,960 Yeah, it was cool. 589 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,400 Learn anything from it? 590 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,440 I mean, I usually just would like go in there with my friends and tell them what I would 591 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,960 was into and like let them do certain things. 592 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:39,960 Like depending on the night, um, I stopped going just cause I fucking moved, but yeah, 593 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,520 it was, it was cool. 594 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:46,240 I had like three friends that I would go there with that were also vetted and everything 595 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,520 and in the different things. 596 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,200 Yeah, I feel like if you're going to have any kind of like BDSM get together and stuff 597 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,760 where you're exploring like fetishes and especially like role play and stuff that you have to 598 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,080 have like vetted people. 599 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:05,200 Yeah, like anyone can, anyone who finds it can show up to like the meetings, but to be 600 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,200 able to go to like the down side. 601 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,200 To play play. 602 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:13,000 You have to be with, I assume it's all trusted people that are like, this is an insane person. 603 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,400 You know, like the, like the army hammer guy. 604 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,400 Yeah, the army hammer guy. 605 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,400 The army hammer guy and everything. 606 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,960 I was only recently tied up for the first time. 607 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:23,960 Really the first time. 608 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:31,040 Oh, you want me to go, you want me to talk more about it. 609 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,040 Oh, okay. 610 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:37,480 Yeah, I was, we were, I was shooting a scene with my friend, Erin Everly, and she has a 611 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,000 lot of experience in rope play. 612 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:46,800 So yeah, I got to experience that as being the, the person tied up. 613 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,280 Yeah, she's actually pretty good. 614 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,280 Yeah. 615 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,280 You'll get to meet her. 616 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,280 Yeah, very cool. 617 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,280 That's right. 618 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,280 She'll be here. 619 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,800 At the dungeon space that I used to go to, they had like a winch with, with like a suspension 620 00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,920 ring and I would get like tied up. 621 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:04,460 My arms like tied up and pulled up on that and like be blindfolded and have like ear 622 00:44:04,460 --> 00:44:05,460 plugs in and. 623 00:44:05,460 --> 00:44:06,460 How's that feel? 624 00:44:06,460 --> 00:44:07,460 It was cool. 625 00:44:07,460 --> 00:44:10,680 I like sensory deprivation and that type of thing. 626 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,920 I don't know how to describe the feeling because I've been tied up as well. 627 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:21,920 Like I hooked up with a sailor guy on a sailboat and like, he, he like. 628 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:22,920 Sailboat man. 629 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,680 All I can say, I can't tell you the nouts he did, but I was completely restrained with 630 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:35,080 my ponytail tied to my, my wrist tied to my, my ankles and I was suspended off the roof 631 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,080 of the sailboat. 632 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,080 Yo. 633 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,080 And I. 634 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,080 Hot. 635 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,080 It was. 636 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,080 That's horny. 637 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,080 A time. 638 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,080 It was a time. 639 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,080 Good for you. 640 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,080 So I will. 641 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,080 Yeah, damn. 642 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:56,120 I will say if you are into that, Seattle does have, I believe multiple like Shabari kind 643 00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,800 of groups that you can actually go in like in an environment like you two could actually 644 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,200 go and learn like kind of like the basics and the knots and then get into like the more 645 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,200 advanced stuff. 646 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,200 Oh yeah. 647 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,440 I think you were mentioning that before. 648 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,000 I have mentioned it a lot. 649 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,000 I know. 650 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,000 I take advantage of that. 651 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,000 We really do. 652 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,000 Yeah. 653 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,000 This isn't the first time he's brought this up. 654 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,000 It is not. 655 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,000 Shab, Shabari. 656 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,000 Yeah. 657 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,000 Shabari. 658 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:29,400 But yeah, I think, I think anytime that you take like senses away, so like eyesight, hearing, 659 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,680 whatever the ability to talk like your other senses are very heightened. 660 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,060 So you feel everything a lot more. 661 00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:39,280 You feel the pain and the pleasure a lot more. 662 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,440 That makes sense why people like to be like restrained, blindfolded and gagged. 663 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,440 Sensory deprivation is awesome. 664 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,120 Because then they're like, that's like ultimate pleasure. 665 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,960 And other people are like, how could you do that to people? 666 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:52,960 What's wrong with you? 667 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,160 And it's like, they're literally coming so hard right now. 668 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,280 Because it's hot. 669 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,360 Yep, definitely. 670 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,920 And then if you can get into like a group where everyone feels very comfortable with 671 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:11,160 each other and everything's great, I mean, just like you found, like you can go every 672 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,440 single weekend and just have so much fun. 673 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,500 And if you're feeling like nervous about getting into that community, because that's very kind 674 00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:22,600 of just taking the plunge, right? 675 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,140 Like if you don't know anyone and you're just like, oh, I'm like interested into this stuff. 676 00:46:26,140 --> 00:46:28,640 Maybe you're watching like YouTube videos online. 677 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,280 You're like, yes. 678 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,080 And you're kind of like looking like, how do I go? 679 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,000 Like it's so intimidating to go to a dungeon. 680 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,000 Like, oh, I don't know what to do. 681 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,160 Like what do I wear? 682 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,500 Like, what do I say? 683 00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:43,500 What don't I say? 684 00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:48,200 Like, because there is a difference between like porn and reality. 685 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,200 Yes. 686 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,320 Oh, you can't say that. 687 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,320 Oh, no. 688 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:54,520 Did I just ruin? 689 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:55,520 You're breaking the immersion. 690 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,240 Except for the people at this table. 691 00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:01,440 Yeah. 692 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:07,360 But if you're interested in kind of exploring that or getting to know people, if you're 693 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:13,400 looking for like a way in, I would say do some research into your like local area and 694 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,080 see if your area has any sort of like munches at all. 695 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:23,560 So that is a supposed to be very safe space to meet people publicly. 696 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,800 Typically they have it like over lunch. 697 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:26,800 Munches? 698 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:27,800 Munches. 699 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:28,800 Yeah. 700 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,680 So just like eating food. 701 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,840 They'll try to keep it like very kind of like PG 13 because you're in public. 702 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:44,360 You don't want to be like, oh, the other day I was being whipped and I was getting fucked 703 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:45,360 so hard. 704 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,640 You know, it's like and there's like a family with like a three year old like right next 705 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:49,640 to you. 706 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,640 Yeah. 707 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,080 We used to just like go to like a sandwich shop, like everyone and we would sit and just 708 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,560 eat and like shoot the shit. 709 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:55,560 Yeah. 710 00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:01,040 So I think it's a good way just to like get to know people and then slowly kind of lead 711 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,040 into something. 712 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,120 All right, everybody. 713 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:10,080 This is the end of part one for our two part series featuring Luna Vixen and Danny Sophia. 714 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,960 Tune in next week to catch the rest. 715 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:26,160 I'm Nikki Sapphire signing off.