Episode 1: Bakers Dozen Pt1 - With Guests Dani Sophia and Luna Vixen

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,120Disclaimer. This podcast features explicit language and discussion sexual in nature.200:00:05,760 --> 00:00:10,080It may contain subjects uncomfortable to some. Please understand that the opinions300:00:10,080 --> 00:00:16,080shared on this podcast are not a representation of any organization or employer that most may be a part of.400:00:16,080 --> 00:00:38,160Well, pretend like we just met. I mean, we just met. So yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what you tell the500:00:38,160 --> 00:00:44,240cashier. You're like, you know, I'm a porn star. So it's really open and honest. Yeah,600:00:44,240 --> 00:00:51,600yeah. Sounds like a typical conversation you would have as a cashier. Porn, porn, porn, porn.700:00:52,320 --> 00:00:57,760You want to know how we got into the industry? Yeah. What, yeah, what brought you, what got800:00:57,760 --> 00:01:03,680you interested? But I got into the industry in like 2017. I was working at a bakery and,900:01:04,240 --> 00:01:09,360you're working at a bakery. I was, what kind of, I was like a chef sorta. I just like made food1000:01:09,360 --> 00:01:18,560and I got on Reddit and started making money and left that job behind very quickly because I made1100:01:18,560 --> 00:01:24,800a lot of money doing it. The Reddit times. Yeah. I remember the Reddit times. The Reddit times. Yeah.1200:01:26,800 --> 00:01:34,720I was working on a podcast for insert redacted name because they don't work for them anymore.1300:01:34,720 --> 00:01:42,480If you want to figure it out bad enough, I'm sure you can. And one of the guests that we had on was1400:01:42,480 --> 00:01:49,040Bailey J. Oh. And I messaged her afterwards and was like, Hey, thank you for being so articulate.1500:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,120Thank you for having like such positive trans representation. That was like such a good1600:01:53,120 --> 00:02:00,560conversation. And her and I ended up talking and hanging out and studying the Bible together. And-1700:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,120Oh, interesting. No, no, that's- Is that a medical?1800:02:03,120 --> 00:02:12,320Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And as, and we are very good friends and she gave me a really good idea for1900:02:12,320 --> 00:02:17,520OnlyFans. She was like, Hey, you have a nice butt. You should do like yoga, but on OnlyFans, but like2000:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,400nude. And she was like, if you start an OnlyFans, I'll help you promote your stuff. So I did like2100:02:22,400 --> 00:02:29,040naked yoga tips on OnlyFans for a little while. And she gave me a super big boost and was super2200:02:29,040 --> 00:02:36,800nice. And she's been my porn mom ever since. And then I met Luna and Luna and I started dating and2300:02:36,800 --> 00:02:43,920then working together. And now I'm here. That's amazing. Welcome. Yeah. Welcome. And also,2400:02:44,640 --> 00:02:51,200that's awesome to hear that like there's other women who work in the industry that are actually2500:02:51,200 --> 00:02:57,440that, you know, real. Yeah. Bailey's a very, very sweet person. And we like never talk about porn2600:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,840when we talk and hang out. Yeah. That is always like really wholesome in my opinion. It's like,2700:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,000yeah, she was super wholesome vibes when we met her. Yeah. She just wants to talk about like2800:03:06,000 --> 00:03:11,040meditation and spirituality. Yeah. Yeah. It's nice to have conversations outside of like, like when2900:03:11,040 --> 00:03:17,440you work at a deli or a bakery, sorry, when you work at a bakery, when you get off work, you don't3000:03:17,440 --> 00:03:23,680want to talk about bakery stuff. Yeah. So like, why do we want to like, we do sex all the time. Why3100:03:23,680 --> 00:03:28,880like on our free time, it's not like we're like, Hey, let's talk about sex. Yeah. I'm usually3200:03:28,880 --> 00:03:35,440talking about video games or something. Yeah, for shame. Usually like talking about VR or like3300:03:36,000 --> 00:03:46,880crazy electronic music. So what are your internet names? I am Danny Sophia and Luna Vixen. Yeah.3400:03:46,880 --> 00:03:52,800Is this where we can find your, we just searched on the Twitter? Yeah, I'm Danny Sophia xxx and3500:03:52,800 --> 00:03:58,640she's Luna Vixen xxx. Oh, if you just, if anyone, if y'all want to, you know, take a look or anything,3600:03:59,440 --> 00:04:08,000it's a thing. Go find them. Yeah. Go find them. Leave a follow. Yeah. We had some topics of3700:04:08,000 --> 00:04:17,520discussion. So we do. We do have like a long list. It's gonna be a very jam packed episode.3800:04:17,520 --> 00:04:26,560Good. So you two are from Texas, correct? I'm from Alabama originally. Oh, okay. Yeah, we live in3900:04:26,560 --> 00:04:34,720Austin. Okay. My wife's actually from Alabama. So we're in Birmingham. All right. That's where I'm4000:04:34,720 --> 00:04:43,120from. Small world, small world. Yeah, that's crazy. And then I think like our part of Florida was4100:04:43,120 --> 00:04:50,160actually like known as like lower Alabama. Yeah. Oh, you're from PCB as well? Yeah. Okay. Totally.4200:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,480Definitely. Yeah, I used to go down there for like spring break and stuff. Like when I was like a4300:04:54,480 --> 00:05:02,400teenager. Oh my god. The whole world. Literally everyone. Seriously. Yeah. Oh gosh. There's4400:05:02,400 --> 00:05:09,680actually a documentary on Netflix about like hookup culture and 80% of it is filmed in PCB. That's4500:05:09,680 --> 00:05:17,040amazing. Yeah, it was like I was kind of like switching like through videos on like Netflix4600:05:17,040 --> 00:05:25,440and like what was it? I think it was like club la vila or spinnaker maybe I think like something4700:05:25,440 --> 00:05:31,120like popped up and I was like, is that spinnaker? Is that and then like I like clicked on it. I was4800:05:31,120 --> 00:05:41,600like, holy shit. I was like, oh, no. Oh, boy. Anyways, I feel like Texas is kind of like the4900:05:43,520 --> 00:05:53,200when you talk about LGBT issues, Texas is kind of like known as like a very hot topic, like it's5000:05:53,200 --> 00:06:01,040craziness, just in regards of the anti LGBT kind of mood down there. And then also with them5100:06:01,040 --> 00:06:08,720currently trying to pass like a lot of anti LGBT like laws or whatever into legislation.5200:06:10,560 --> 00:06:19,120So currently I pulled up and according to some research I found online, there are 88 pro LGBT5300:06:19,120 --> 00:06:26,560bills. Specifically talking about, you know, kind of trying to protect LGBT rights or5400:06:26,560 --> 00:06:33,120kind of give back some of the rights that have been lost. And then there's 85 anti LGBT bills5500:06:33,120 --> 00:06:44,240that are still active. A couple of them that I found interesting. So something that was actually5600:06:44,240 --> 00:06:53,440turned down, like it got killed in the house was eliminating the quote gay panic and quote5700:06:53,440 --> 00:07:01,440trans panic as a legal defense. What? So what that means, oh, eliminate I thought you I thought you5800:07:01,440 --> 00:07:10,720said allowing it I was like, what? No, but basically what this means is if someone5900:07:10,720 --> 00:07:20,000someone does a crime against an LGBT or trans person, they can actually legally use the defense6000:07:20,000 --> 00:07:29,600of, you know, gay panic or trans panic. Currently as law. Yes, they can. Which is like insane to6100:07:29,600 --> 00:07:34,640me. And I actually found like a list of states where you're actually able legally to use the6200:07:34,640 --> 00:07:40,720as like a defense. So if somebody did, for instance, murder someone, they could say like, oh, I6300:07:40,720 --> 00:07:47,520murdered them out of gay panic. I wasn't mentally prepared to be respectful to you as a human being.6400:07:47,520 --> 00:07:54,400I'm sorry. Right. Which so keep in mind, like, they would have to go through like the legal system,6500:07:54,400 --> 00:08:01,680right. So the jury would have to find them, you know, not in the legal system. So I think6600:08:01,680 --> 00:08:09,280the jury would have to find them, you know, not guilty or guilty or whatever. But the fact that6700:08:09,280 --> 00:08:17,120Texas is one of the states that still allows that defense. And then currently, I, to me,6800:08:19,520 --> 00:08:28,480one of the biggest topics that I saw like going through the list was so SB 97 banning the harmful6900:08:28,480 --> 00:08:34,720practice of conversion therapy is actually currently trying to be passed. So this would make it7000:08:34,720 --> 00:08:41,520illegal for churches, for instance, to try to do like pray the gay away or conversion therapy.7100:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,680I can't even believe conversion therapy is still a word being like,7200:08:48,240 --> 00:08:56,720yeah. So I do want to say like, it does look like, you know, there is, there are people fighting7300:08:56,720 --> 00:09:02,240in Texas, you know, the fact that there's 88 pro LGBT bills trying to be passed. That's very7400:09:02,240 --> 00:09:11,200positive. I think I saw last year, like 30 anti LGBT bills were shot down. Oh, wow. Texas actually7500:09:11,200 --> 00:09:24,080has a very large LGBTQ population. So according to LGBT map.org, there's over 1 million LGBT7600:09:24,080 --> 00:09:33,840members in Texas. So that's a large community. Yes. And for how, how much anti trans bills7700:09:33,840 --> 00:09:39,200there's going on in there. That's just, it just proves no one wants no one wants to give up that7800:09:39,200 --> 00:09:45,280fight. No one wants to give up the fight. I so personally, and I want to get your opinion on7900:09:45,280 --> 00:09:54,000this. Personally, I think a lot of the very like, extreme right wing people there, I feel like they8000:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,160they feel that they're losing power, right? And they're trying to get all these bills passed.8100:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,960However, since there is such a large population, they're not able to, like they're getting shot8200:10:02,960 --> 00:10:13,440down, which is great. That's great. But I am not trans and I'm not from Texas. So what do you guys8300:10:13,440 --> 00:10:25,680think like how what is it like to just be you in Texas? It's given me an opportunity to observe8400:10:25,680 --> 00:10:33,520a lot a lot of the most that I've learned about how people actually feel was before transition,8500:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,160which is not something that a lot of people talk about. But it is a very interesting experience8600:10:38,160 --> 00:10:46,400being in a very male dominated culture and taking part in that. And then willingly destroying your8700:10:46,400 --> 00:10:55,200male privilege, and then watching that go away and then existing with it gone. It is very bizarre.8800:10:56,000 --> 00:11:01,440There are like anywhere else, I think there's a lot of good people and there's a lot of bad people.8900:11:01,440 --> 00:11:08,800But one thing that constantly surprises me is how many angles transphobic people can come at it from.9000:11:08,800 --> 00:11:14,000One thing that Luna and I talked about that blew my mind when Luna talked to me about this,9100:11:14,000 --> 00:11:19,600and this is a part of a much larger conversation that the South very much takes part in,9200:11:19,600 --> 00:11:26,960is a lot of these people that are transphobic are transphobic because it has to do with race.9300:11:26,960 --> 00:11:34,480Specifically a lot of the alt-right members that are talking about preserving their race, trans9400:11:34,480 --> 00:11:41,200people who do not have the ability to procreate cannot help do that. And then that is something9500:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,640that they are against for that reason, which is a part of a much larger, scarier conversation.9600:11:47,440 --> 00:11:55,200But that is one particular facet of transphobia that is a lot more prevalent in the South.9700:11:55,200 --> 00:12:04,640That we are willingly giving up our ability to procreate?9800:12:05,920 --> 00:12:16,320Yeah, and because of that there are white nationalists that think that that race cannot9900:12:16,320 --> 00:12:21,200then be preserved and continued in their most desirable form.10000:12:21,200 --> 00:12:33,040Yeah, that is insane. Being from the South and being raised pretty religious, everyone10100:12:34,240 --> 00:12:40,320is like, oh, the South, like Southern hospitality. And I am like, hey, stop. That only pertains to10200:12:41,200 --> 00:12:48,000if you follow their religion and you vote the way that they vote and you fit into a perfect box and10300:12:48,000 --> 00:12:57,840they know you. Everyone is super nice and super helpful if you step outside of that in any way.10400:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,000Basically, you are enemy number one at that point.10500:13:08,800 --> 00:13:16,400It is definitely rough. I feel we both can feel you on transitioning in a Southern state. It is10600:13:16,400 --> 00:13:22,160definitely rough. But it seems like Texas definitely has a big positive trans movement there.10700:13:23,120 --> 00:13:28,000Austin is the queerest place I have ever been and it is absolutely amazing. I love it so much10800:13:28,000 --> 00:13:33,840because we have a wonderful R&B and jazz scene there and we have a wonderful LGBT scene and those10900:13:33,840 --> 00:13:41,040two are very intertwined. It is wonderful to see queer jazz musicians because that is amazing.11000:13:41,040 --> 00:13:48,560And in Austin, you said it was very friendly and stuff. I imagine you both enjoy living in Austin,11100:13:48,560 --> 00:13:52,880even though the majority of the state seems like it could be pretty scary to live in if you are11200:13:52,880 --> 00:13:58,080part of our community. Or even just not a straight white person.11300:13:58,800 --> 00:14:04,960Austin is super great. I love it there. Dallas did not like it. It was the only place I have11400:14:04,960 --> 00:14:11,440actually experienced discrimination since being trans. In DFW.11500:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,800Wow, that is actually pretty amazing. For a Southern state. At the airport?11600:14:16,800 --> 00:14:23,120No, just like at Deep Ellum in Dallas. It is amazing that like...11700:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,920Bunch of dive bars and shit. Do you want to talk about it?11800:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,000You could be in such a conservative area. What happened?11900:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,480Just like I was literally just in a parking lot trying to park my car and this guy like12000:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,560freaked out on me because I was trans and just like wouldn't let me park my car there.12100:14:39,360 --> 00:14:44,720And was like taking pictures of my car and like freaking the fuck out. So I just like12200:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,480got in my car and left. Wow.12300:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,040I was just like... Like no, you can't park here.12400:14:49,840 --> 00:14:56,880Well, it was like he was like berating me and this guy just kind of like freaked out and called me a12500:14:56,880 --> 00:15:03,200tranny freak and just like wouldn't let me park and just like kept yelling at me to fucking get the12600:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,240fuck out and so I left. You're trying to park your car.12700:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,800I was trying to park so I could go like see a show for my friend's band and I just like12800:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,000didn't even go to the show because it was just like...12900:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,600People are so... There's no better word for it. It's just crazy.13000:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,360Yeah, people are just like off their fucking rocker.13100:15:21,360 --> 00:15:28,080When they're... Ignorance makes them like do crazy shit. That's for sure.13200:15:28,080 --> 00:15:35,680Yeah, I don't really understand it. But yeah, Alabama must have been rough,13300:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,280but it sounds like you're in a better... Yeah, Alabama was fine to be honest.13400:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,400Like no one ever treated me bad. Everyone just wanted to fuck.13500:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,840Like that was the problem there. Everyone just wanted to fuck.13600:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,520Everyone just wanted to fuck all the time. That's the only issue that I had there.13700:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,040They're just bored. Wow.13800:15:53,040 --> 00:15:59,840I guess people in Florida are just more... Oh, I've been had horrible things said to me13900:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,200in public in Florida. Yeah, it's pretty bad.14000:16:03,200 --> 00:16:09,280Well, it makes me grateful to know that other places in the south have such safe havens14100:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,640for our community. Yeah, definitely.14200:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,440Definitely. Because, you know...14300:16:15,920 --> 00:16:21,760Austin's amazing because we hang out with other trans girls every other week and we can go out14400:16:21,760 --> 00:16:26,880in the town and do stuff. There's a gay district basically.14500:16:27,680 --> 00:16:32,640Yeah, it's 4th Street. So there's just a line of gay clubs and it is fucking amazing14600:16:32,640 --> 00:16:39,040because the music is top notch. It is just the best club music you've ever heard.14700:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,720Oh, that's great. It's wonderful.14800:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,200It's wonderful. That sounds fun.14900:16:43,200 --> 00:16:48,640Yeah, and they have vending machines where you can get packs of Delta 8 cigarettes there.15000:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,320Yeah, you can get weed in a vending machine.15100:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,880Yeah, you can just get weed in a vending machine and then go to a gay club.15200:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,920It's 2023. We're in the year of revolutions or evolutions.15300:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,200Yeah, it's revolution but there's like little parentheses around the R.15400:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,520Have you ever been to Texas, Jay?15500:17:11,520 --> 00:17:20,080I have not. My wife and I, we have done multiple road trips around the country.15600:17:21,600 --> 00:17:28,160There, to be honest, Texas was one of the states that we don't really think there's anything there.15700:17:28,160 --> 00:17:28,480Yep.15800:17:28,480 --> 00:17:29,040To go see.15900:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,800Well, there's a lot of beautiful national parks there but that's about it.16000:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,520There's a lot of wonderful music coming out of Texas.16100:17:37,520 --> 00:17:38,400Yeah, apparently there's a lot of good...16200:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,160Yeah, Texas need a proper class for this one.16300:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,320R&B music, jazz?16400:17:42,320 --> 00:17:47,280Yeah, Robert Glasper who's a Texas native just won a Grammy for best R&B performance.16500:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,160You should check him out. He is amazing.16600:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,440Yeah, Robert Glasper is dope.16700:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,840Yeah, we're gonna have to remember that.16800:17:53,840 --> 00:17:54,880Yeah, Robert Glasper.16900:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,600Yeah, amazing, amazing, amazing.17000:18:01,600 --> 00:18:08,160So, actually November 30th last year, the National Terrorism Advisory System17100:18:08,160 --> 00:18:15,520actually put out a bulletin stating that the LGBTQ community was17200:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,760quote, targets of potential violence.17300:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,200This was not based just out of Texas, it was country wide.17400:18:25,280 --> 00:18:31,280So, yeah, I just want to kind of ask, does everyone feel safe?17500:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,280I know Washington's probably gonna be a little bit different from Texas,17600:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,840totally different atmosphere, but like what you guys just described, it seems like Texas,17700:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,440the area that you're in at least, like Texas sounds pretty good.17800:18:44,400 --> 00:18:51,280Yeah, yeah, the most unsafe thing about being trans in Texas is a lack of support system17900:18:51,280 --> 00:18:57,520that a lot of people have because they may not get berated when they walk down the street,18000:18:57,520 --> 00:19:03,440but their families will often rail against them and pull out that support system from them.18100:19:03,440 --> 00:19:08,720Because the greatest thing that anyone is looking for to maintain a sense of happiness18200:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,800on a most fundamental level is connection.18300:19:11,360 --> 00:19:15,360And that is the biggest thing that I have found is stripped away from trans people18400:19:15,360 --> 00:19:19,920who are suffering greatly is a lack of authentic and loving connection.18500:19:19,920 --> 00:19:20,560Yeah.18600:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,560Whether it's with their family or with other people around them.18700:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,560And usually we try to seek out our family first to get that connection with,18800:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,800and they're the first ones to tear that, make that wound.18900:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,880Yeah, and that's the biggest thing.19000:19:32,880 --> 00:19:33,380Yeah.19100:19:33,380 --> 00:19:34,480Bigger, basically.19200:19:34,480 --> 00:19:34,980Yeah.19300:19:36,080 --> 00:19:42,480It's kind of like segues into a very difficult subject to talk about.19400:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,320And also this is across the pond.19500:19:45,040 --> 00:19:52,320So those of you that don't know, Breanna Gay, 16 years old, was found dead, stabbed to death.19600:19:53,280 --> 00:19:59,760She was stabbed to death in broad daylight in a public park in the UK.19700:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,720Two people were arrested, a 15 year old girl and a 15 year old boy.19800:20:05,280 --> 00:20:10,160They are the prime suspects of this brutal murder.19900:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,600Breanna Gay had a TikTok.20000:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,640I did not, I don't have a TikTok.20100:20:16,640 --> 00:20:17,680I didn't follow her.20200:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,360But from the news stories that I read, evidently on her TikTok,20300:20:21,360 --> 00:20:27,360she would talk often about people bullying her at school.20400:20:27,360 --> 00:20:37,280So my biggest question here is, because since we are where we are, and given our age,20500:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,360everyone kind of says, hey, we feel pretty safe in Texas.20600:20:43,360 --> 00:20:45,040We feel pretty safe in Washington.20700:20:46,240 --> 00:20:46,880That's great.20800:20:49,120 --> 00:20:51,680How do we help the trans youth?20900:20:51,680 --> 00:21:00,480When evidently a 16 year old kind of puts out there on the internet, like I'm being bullied21000:21:00,480 --> 00:21:07,600and I'm being picked on, how do we make sure that that's not overlooked and not just kind of like21100:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,840dismissed and make sure that something like this doesn't happen again?21200:21:12,640 --> 00:21:17,280I think definitely putting it out there first and foremost for people to hear, because21300:21:17,280 --> 00:21:23,280the big thing with transgender news or anything with our community basically is just like21400:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,240the lack of information.21500:21:27,200 --> 00:21:34,000Thankfully, I've seen progress throughout the years on this because I feel like 10 years ago,21600:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,680this wouldn't have met any kind of headlines, not even on YouTube.21700:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,800So you said just getting it out there.21800:21:41,600 --> 00:21:42,400So I would say that...21900:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,640Getting it out there as far as news.22000:21:44,640 --> 00:21:50,800Like news companies' coverage, because just like how we're talking about it,22100:21:50,800 --> 00:21:56,720it's important to talk about it because other people hear about it and they hear about the22200:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,720bullying that happened because they otherwise maybe they might not ever hear about it.22300:22:00,720 --> 00:22:01,520And that's important.22400:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,200But is that enough?22500:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,560No, it's definitely not enough.22600:22:06,560 --> 00:22:17,440There's so much more probably we could do, but it's so difficult with all the people against us.22700:22:20,240 --> 00:22:25,440Yeah, I think what Danny has to say about public education reform, I think it comes down to a lot22800:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,000of that stuff.22900:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,640I think teachers and counselors need to be more present and parents need to...23000:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,920The adults need to take control when things like that are happening.23100:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,360Well, they need to step up.23200:22:35,360 --> 00:22:36,800And the parents of like...23300:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,680I wonder what kind of life the kids have that stabbed them.23400:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,760I mean, 15 year old to stab somebody.23500:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,920I mean, they must not have the best home life.23600:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,160And if they do, what went wrong?23700:22:48,160 --> 00:22:55,600Yeah, that's the thing that really gets me about this is that I honestly do not believe23800:22:55,600 --> 00:23:01,840that people are born with this hatred inside of them.23900:23:01,840 --> 00:23:02,320Right?24000:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,520Like this is learned, like this is taught.24100:23:06,240 --> 00:23:17,840And the fact that two 15 year old people so young could do such a brutal murder.24200:23:17,840 --> 00:23:23,840I mean, keep in mind, stabbing you are up close and personal with that person.24300:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,400So to hate somebody to that level, to take it to that extreme.24400:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,200That's intense.24500:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,400I hear someone like screaming for you to stop while you're killing them.24600:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,200Surely.24700:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,000Yeah.24800:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,120You must be deranged.24900:23:35,120 --> 00:23:39,680You have to have you like, there's got to be stuff going on at home.25000:23:41,120 --> 00:23:49,280And to be honest, I am not super familiar with the climate for LGBT in the UK.25100:23:49,280 --> 00:23:57,840However, just to kind of like give everyone an idea, the news reports also reported that25200:23:57,840 --> 00:24:05,040the vigils in honor of Brianna Gay in several cities around the UK were interrupted by anti25300:24:05,040 --> 00:24:12,400LGBT protesters shouting and screaming at them while they're mourning Brianna Gay, which25400:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,880I think that kind of tells you enough of the climate of the UK.25500:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,200When it comes to the LGBT, but it's so fucking aggravating.25600:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,680It's just like, just give them a moment piece.25700:24:24,160 --> 00:24:30,160Well, they don't see our lives as they see us as like less like subhuman, basically.25800:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,440Well, they see it as someone's like vigil.25900:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,520It's like you're you don't like see me as a human being.26000:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,320Yeah.26100:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,120Yeah.26200:24:39,120 --> 00:24:40,320They see it as a performance.26300:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,160It's just, oh my God.26400:24:42,160 --> 00:24:51,840Just to be disassociated as a human just because people can't accept your life the way you26500:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,320they it doesn't even like affect them, but they just have to be so passionate about hating26600:24:56,320 --> 00:24:56,880you.26700:24:56,880 --> 00:25:02,000And like like Jay was saying, I feel like a lot of this hate just passed down generation26800:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,120after generation.26900:25:03,120 --> 00:25:09,280And all it takes is one of those generations to be like, I'm not going to be able to do27000:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,200those generations to be like, I'm going to stop being ignorant.27100:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,400And then they teach their kids to not be ignorant.27200:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,960And then it's get passed on, but no one wants to step up.27300:25:20,320 --> 00:25:29,520And I and I do think, you know, the UK does have a very big problem with the anti gay27400:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,320stuff and anti LGBT things going on over there.27500:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,880It's not an easy area to transition in.27600:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,040I will say it is slowly making a difference.27700:25:43,040 --> 00:25:48,160People are like slowly stepping up, for instance, coming out here and just like meeting27800:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,000kind of the generation that's behind us.27900:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,960When LGBT stuff comes up, when people are like, oh, you know, like, people be very shy28000:25:58,960 --> 00:25:59,920and like, oh, I'm gay.28100:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,680I've like personally where I work at, I've noticed like so many people are like, oh,28200:26:05,680 --> 00:26:06,960like, so what?28300:26:08,240 --> 00:26:08,880Cool.28400:26:08,880 --> 00:26:14,880When I was in college, I went back to college at a much later age in my life.28500:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,560The 18, 19 year olds, like everyone's like, everyone's bi.28600:26:22,880 --> 00:26:28,160Like they're like, you know, someone was like, oh, I'm bisexual.28700:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,320Everyone's like, yeah, so are we what's going on here?28800:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,960Why are we still talking about it?28900:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,000And then also like even at work, like, you know, I kind of I told I told people about29000:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,680like, you know, about the podcast and about like me being into BDSM and I'm just like,29100:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,280so I don't understand like what the big deal is.29200:26:48,160 --> 00:26:53,440So I do think the generation that's coming up behind us, they are very much open.29300:26:53,440 --> 00:26:58,960I think the Internet kind of explains a lot of that because they're just exposed to so much.29400:26:58,960 --> 00:27:05,360So slowly these these families that are raising like generation after generations of, you know,29500:27:05,360 --> 00:27:09,280being very anti LGBT are slowly fading out.29600:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,400It's just going to take time.29700:27:10,400 --> 00:27:10,880Yeah.29800:27:10,880 --> 00:27:11,600Oh, yeah.29900:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,080And I am just I'm thankful it's gotten to the point that it's at right now.30000:27:16,080 --> 00:27:22,160That's I am thankful, but I feel like if we weren't held back so much, it could be so30100:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,040much further.30200:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,040We could be so much further along.30300:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,640But that's the best thing.30400:27:26,640 --> 00:27:32,080It's just stupidity and ignorance holds us back all the time.30500:27:34,560 --> 00:27:35,060Yeah.30600:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,200Yeah, it's hard to know how to feel about all of this because I see so much good mixed30700:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,240in with so much bad.30800:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,280And it's hard to not let the bad infect the good.30900:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,440And it's hard to let the small amount of good cover up the large amount of bad.31000:27:49,440 --> 00:27:49,920Yeah.31100:27:49,920 --> 00:27:56,720So it's not like some of these people that are against, you know, LGBT community or any31200:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,000of us is it's not because they actually have a deep hate.31300:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,200It's just because they don't understand.31400:28:01,200 --> 00:28:06,400They just need an explanation that's simple enough for them to understand because I'll31500:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,480be, you know, the smartest people ever.31600:28:08,480 --> 00:28:08,960Yeah.31700:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,720Hate is actually a very fragile thing.31800:28:10,720 --> 00:28:16,320And I found that ignorance is a lot more sustaining than hate is because I see hate is a runoff31900:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,160of excessive ignorance.32000:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,000Yeah, exactly.32100:28:21,120 --> 00:28:25,440Also, I will say I think with the internet, like everyone's under a microscope.32200:28:25,440 --> 00:28:25,840Right.32300:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,400So like, if you say the wrong thing, everyone's going to be on top of you.32400:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,720It's going to be shared millions of times.32500:28:33,200 --> 00:28:38,480So I think a lot of people are being a little bit more aware of what they're saying, at least.32600:28:39,920 --> 00:28:45,920Which, you know, it's not it's not good to like, on the inside, be very anti LGBT.32700:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,880But if you are anti LGBT, please keep it to yourself.32800:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,180Exactly.32900:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,520But yeah, so I think that's having a very big impact.33000:28:58,480 --> 00:29:04,000We still see some really like messed up stuff like what happened in what was it Arkansas?33100:29:04,800 --> 00:29:12,080The the senator in Arkansas just recently, not too long ago, asked a trans woman who33200:29:12,080 --> 00:29:12,800was testifying.33300:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,600Oh my god.33400:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,080Yeah.33500:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,680If she had a penis, like totally, totally normal question.33600:29:17,680 --> 00:29:24,080reported in the transcription of the meeting notes, probably.33700:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,760I can't believe a senator.33800:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,840Yeah, I don't I don't know his name.33900:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,640Senator.34000:29:28,640 --> 00:29:29,120It's just,34100:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,880I can sit there and ask a question like that.34200:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,320Are you telling us that you're unfamiliar with a large body of medical evidence of the34300:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,920harm that has come upon people that have gone through these processes?34400:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,920I'm familiar with a large body of evidence that shows that providing good affirming care34500:29:45,920 --> 00:29:46,800saves lives.34600:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,520Are you saying that you're unaware of the large body of medical evidence of the harm34700:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,800that has come upon these people in these processes have been gone through?34800:29:54,800 --> 00:29:55,040I will.34900:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,960Are you unaware of that body of evidence?35000:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,240I will repeat what I just said.35100:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,360Are you unaware of that body of evidence?35200:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,400I will repeat what I just said.35300:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,640You said that you're a trans woman.35400:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,440A trans female.35500:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,000Yes, sir.35600:30:04,000 --> 00:30:12,640Do you have a penis?35700:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,760That's horrible.35800:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,680You're the one you're the one that brought that into the discussion.35900:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,240I never said anything about genitalia.36000:30:23,920 --> 00:30:29,360The thing is like the person testifying, she had a PhD in pharmacy.36100:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,760She was also there testifying for affirming care.36200:30:35,120 --> 00:30:42,240Something that she is qualified, she is a trans female, she's testifying for it,36300:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,640and right in the middle, the senator asked, do you have a penis?36400:30:47,520 --> 00:30:52,080And then the audacity of him also afterwards to be like,36500:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,400well, you're the one that brought up the subject of the penis.36600:30:54,960 --> 00:30:55,760It's fucking wild.36700:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,080This just goes back to the respect that Danny and I were saying.36800:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,720But I will say, like he has refused from last time I tracked,36900:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,920he has refused to comment on the situation because he knows.37000:31:08,560 --> 00:31:09,520I think he knows.37100:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,200He's like, fuck.37200:31:11,200 --> 00:31:11,440Yeah.37300:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,640I just fucked up.37400:31:12,640 --> 00:31:12,880Yeah.37500:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,400Asked the dumbest question ever.37600:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,480My political career is probably over.37700:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,280Well, the worst thing is that it's probably not over.37800:31:21,280 --> 00:31:21,520Yeah.37900:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,600He definitely, I definitely think he38000:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,480made a mark on his career, but unfortunately, these senators these days, they're like,38100:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,280what, they're in office for 10 plus years.38200:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,320Yeah, just career policy.38300:31:34,320 --> 00:31:39,920You don't think they say something stupid in those like 10 or in their career?38400:31:39,920 --> 00:31:40,320Oh, yeah.38500:31:40,320 --> 00:31:40,820Come on.38600:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,960I feel really, I just feel bad for her.38700:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,800And that's like, that's embarrassing.38800:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,520How embarrassing to be asked that like.38900:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,360Yeah, especially if you're a professional.39000:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,120She has, she's a doctor.39100:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,640Yeah.39200:31:54,640 --> 00:32:00,960And this man wants to disrespect that by asking that kind of question.39300:32:00,960 --> 00:32:01,600I.39400:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,320I think it's appropriate to ask that kind of question.39500:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,600If there were anybody else.39600:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,720I just want to say we've all been asked if we have penises like a lot of times, right?39700:32:10,720 --> 00:32:11,360I have not.39800:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,720Yeah, that's a normal thing.39900:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,720I have no idea what you're talking about.40000:32:17,520 --> 00:32:18,160Yeah, of course.40100:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,200Nobody has asked me if I have a penis.40200:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,200I've been asked how big my penis is.40300:32:23,200 --> 00:32:23,760All right.40400:32:23,760 --> 00:32:24,560That did happen.40500:32:24,560 --> 00:32:25,360Also.40600:32:26,560 --> 00:32:32,080But that, yeah, no one's like, it was like, that was like one time though, like literally40700:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,120one time in my life, somebody came up to me and was like, how big is your penis?40800:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,240That was in high school.40900:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,280Yeah, actually.41000:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,560That checks out.41100:32:40,560 --> 00:32:41,280Wait, what?41200:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,560I think I know who may have asked you that question.41300:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,120What?41400:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,640I think I know what.41500:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,160It was Spanish class.41600:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,360I think it was Spanish class.41700:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,360I know what it was Spanish class and I do not think you were in my Spanish class.41800:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,680No, but I think I know of a person that may have asked.41900:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,480Now, well, different time for that subject.42000:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,600But yeah, that's a normal thing.42100:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,760Trans women get asked.42200:33:05,760 --> 00:33:16,080I think for me, being kinky and into BDSM, the thing that I see is when I kind of choose42300:33:16,080 --> 00:33:22,320to like tell somebody about that, hey, I'm into BDSM, their first reaction is like, oh,42400:33:22,320 --> 00:33:22,880what?42500:33:22,880 --> 00:33:23,520Wow.42600:33:23,520 --> 00:33:24,020Okay.42700:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,440Often they have a ton of questions.42800:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,640They're very curious.42900:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,400Typically, it's people I know, right?43000:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,280Like it's my friends and I'm like, oh yeah, by the way, I'm into that.43100:33:35,280 --> 00:33:44,400The only thing that I get a lot of is sometimes I'll get like very weird looks and be like,43200:33:46,000 --> 00:33:55,280so your wife, so she's a submissive and you, and I can like piece it together very quickly43300:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,920because this is like what BDSM people, we fear.43400:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,440We're all painted as like males, at least.43500:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,080We're all painted as like wife beaters and we're all like, oh,43600:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,560no, no, no, not at all.43700:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,920I'm the submissive.43800:34:11,920 --> 00:34:12,640I'm into that.43900:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,800It's the other way around.44000:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,160And then it's very awkward because their whole demeanor changes.44100:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,720They're like, oh, okay, like it's perfectly fine now.44200:34:22,720 --> 00:34:25,920And then they're like, oh, and I'm like, it's a little weird.44300:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,320But I can totally kind of, I can see both sides of it.44400:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,120I can see the, with the, what was his name?44500:34:35,120 --> 00:34:40,720The recent BDSM scandal that happened with the movie actor.44600:34:40,720 --> 00:34:41,680Oh God.44700:34:43,360 --> 00:34:43,760I can't.44800:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,480Army Hammer.44900:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,760Yes, Army Hammer.45000:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,600So there are predators out there.45100:34:49,680 --> 00:34:50,320Who?45200:34:50,320 --> 00:34:50,960Army Hammer.45300:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,360Is that the name of a...45400:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,960That's a person with a human name.45500:34:58,160 --> 00:34:58,960Army Hammer.45600:34:58,960 --> 00:34:59,600That's his name.45700:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,320Army Hammer.45800:35:00,320 --> 00:35:00,820Yeah.45900:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,020Okay.46000:35:02,480 --> 00:35:08,480So I, I don't want to super get into the topic.46100:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,400He's a complete piece of shit.46200:35:13,200 --> 00:35:18,480Maybe like two years ago, he was in a movie with Henry Cavill where there were spies,46300:35:18,480 --> 00:35:19,440the man from Uncle.46400:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,520He's a pretty well-known movie star.46500:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,760He comes from a like oil tycoon family.46600:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,520Like he comes from money and everything like that.46700:35:32,240 --> 00:35:40,160So many girls have come out and said, you know, he essentially against their consent46800:35:40,720 --> 00:35:45,360tied, he would tie them up, gag them so they could not say no.46900:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,000He did not get consent to do this.47000:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,240He did not explain what was happening.47100:35:50,240 --> 00:35:53,760And these are very important guidelines in the BDSM world.47200:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,720Typically there's a lot of communications if it's done correctly, you specifically say47300:35:58,720 --> 00:35:59,680what's going to happen.47400:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,880You can send to it.47500:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,320You have safe words.47600:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,480He did not do any of that.47700:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,280He would tie them up.47800:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,520He would gag them and then he would rape them.47900:36:07,520 --> 00:36:13,440And there's even like screenshotted tweets or I think Instagram messages going back and48000:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,120forth where he was like, oh, I, that was so good last night.48100:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,480And the girl's like, fuck you.48200:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,160Like I hated it.48300:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,080I couldn't tell you to stop.48400:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,920And he's like, oh, I loved it.48500:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,120Like you want to do that again?48600:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,640And she's like, you raped me.48700:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,040Like, and I'm paraphrasing the fuck out of that.48800:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,040Yeah, that's, but it's there.48900:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,320There's a documentary on it.49000:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,360Um, I think the documentary isn't the best.49100:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,880Um, but it does kind of highlight like what happened.49200:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,720So I can kind of see like both sides.49300:36:40,720 --> 00:36:46,240I see the side of like, there are like male predators out there that will target BDSM49400:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,720women because he, they think like they can get away with anything.49500:36:50,720 --> 00:36:55,280Um, around the other side of it, it's like, uh, you kind of like just put me into a box49600:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,560and a stereotype, like the unfortunate thing there, I think is, you know, now you also49700:37:00,560 --> 00:37:08,000have people that when they hear BDSM, now they're going to think of, oh, so like that,49800:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,000that's the lifestyle that they do.49900:37:10,000 --> 00:37:10,800Yeah.50000:37:10,800 --> 00:37:17,520Um, it's like, no, not no, unfortunately also 50 shades of gray, like kind of ruined that.50100:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,680Um, there was actually a recent video.50200:37:21,680 --> 00:37:28,720There was also, uh, for instance, I saw, um, Evie Lupine.50300:37:28,720 --> 00:37:30,560Does anyone know Evie Lupine?50400:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,480This is like another crazy name that I didn't know.50500:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,600It's like army hammer, Evie Lupine.50600:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,680I'm like, I feel so out of the loop.50700:37:41,680 --> 00:37:47,760Um, I will say it makes sense that maybe you don't know these names.50800:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,560Uh, so Evie Lupine, she is a BDSM educator.50900:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,840She's here in Seattle.51000:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,040She's on YouTube.51100:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,000Uh, she makes really great videos.51200:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,800Um, I follow her.51300:38:00,800 --> 00:38:06,640I, I watch her videos, you know, click here for a video.51400:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,960No, um, she, she makes really good, like education videos.51500:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,200Uh, the only thing I might say is because she is obviously female, she's going to be51600:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,880speaking from her side of things.51700:38:16,880 --> 00:38:23,200So those of us that are into the BDSM scene that are males, some, sometimes it's not really51800:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,400relevant to us.51900:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,200Um, but again, she's just kind of like, she's speaking her truth.52000:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,880She lives that lifestyle.52100:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,800Um, it's what she does.52200:38:30,800 --> 00:38:38,160So, but Evie Lupine, for instance, she recently did a video of, uh, kink versus BDSM.52300:38:38,160 --> 00:38:44,320And it was a very interesting topic because, and I could see like Evie Lupine also struggle52400:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,440with this in the video.52500:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,320Cause she, I believe she said like, she was talking to somebody and they kind of like52600:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,120mixed up between kink and BDSM.52700:38:53,120 --> 00:39:00,560And for me personally, when you're like reading books, um, like nonfiction books or research52800:39:00,560 --> 00:39:06,320or, um, whatever, they'll use like kink and BDSM.52900:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,400Like interchangeably, right?53000:39:08,400 --> 00:39:16,080So what's really interesting is when I'm feeling like nervous when I'm talking to somebody53100:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,920and I can feel them like, kind of like prying, like, Oh, what's that?53200:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,040Like, what's that bracelet?53300:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,200Like on your wrist, which, so like, like this.53400:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,760So this is actually from like a BDSM website.53500:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,120Um, I believe it's eternity collars.53600:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,240So like, I think it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's53700:39:36,240 --> 00:39:37,920like, I'm like, this is a BDSM.53800:39:37,920 --> 00:39:43,520This is like to symbolize to the BDSM community.53900:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,360I am owned essentially.54000:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,720Fancy, fancy.54100:39:46,720 --> 00:39:50,680Um, but sometimes I'll feel like people like, yeah.54200:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,240And they also do make collars.54300:39:52,240 --> 00:39:54,920Um, so like collars go around your neck, the same thing.54400:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,720I like the wrist thing.54500:39:56,720 --> 00:40:01,160I, I believe like the moment I wear something around my neck, I'm going to get like asked54600:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,080like 50 million questions.54700:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,360So for me, like in a very professional environment, I can slap it on my wrist.54800:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,720Uh, no questions asked.54900:40:09,720 --> 00:40:10,960Everyone kind of like overlooks it.55000:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,520They're like, Oh, cool.55100:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,240It's a nifty little like bracelet thing.55200:40:15,240 --> 00:40:21,600Um, but I will say like, if I feel like someone's like, kind of like curious and they're like55300:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,400prying, they're like asking questions, but I do not know how they're going to respond.55400:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,880I'll say like, Oh yeah.55500:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,080Like I'm kinky.55600:40:29,080 --> 00:40:34,760And that, that can like leave it open to like a much broader thing.55700:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,080If it's like a friend of mine that I've known for like a few months and I kind of like felt55800:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,360them out a little bit, I'll say like, Oh yeah, I'm into BDSM.55900:40:42,360 --> 00:40:48,240Um, but there was an interesting kind of like discussion of like, what's the difference56000:40:48,240 --> 00:40:50,080between the two.56100:40:50,080 --> 00:40:56,480And I think for me personally is that kink is anything that's like outside of like vanilla56200:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,480sex essentially.56300:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,480Right.56400:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,480And that's what like, I think that's like the definition, like a kink in the rope.56500:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,480Right.56600:41:04,480 --> 00:41:11,400Um, and then BDSM, if I had to like very easily like simplify it, it would be, there's some56700:41:11,400 --> 00:41:16,480sort of power exchange there, whether it's a bondage, cause you have to like give up56800:41:16,480 --> 00:41:22,680power to be tied up, um, or discipline, whatever it is, like there's typically some sort of56900:41:22,680 --> 00:41:23,680power exchange.57000:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,960But, um, but yeah, it was a very interesting topic.57100:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,440Um, and that's just some, something I do to kind of like get around like the awkwardness.57200:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,840Like, I'll just say like, Oh, I'm kinky.57300:41:35,840 --> 00:41:41,800So when I lived in Alabama, I would go to these events like every weekend and they were57400:41:41,800 --> 00:41:47,120like BDSM, like, uh, I don't know, talks, they would just talk about different subjects57500:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,120every week.57600:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,880And eventually we did like, I went to like the dungeon for like the local space and you57700:41:52,880 --> 00:41:53,880get vetted and all that.57800:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,240And it was a lot of fun for sure.57900:41:56,240 --> 00:42:01,800And very interesting, um, lots of different dynamics in the, in the community.58000:42:01,800 --> 00:42:08,400I was just about to ask, what was your experience with the BDSM community and those kinds of58100:42:08,400 --> 00:42:14,560things or you just started just like, Jay was saying just to have a kinky side.58200:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,360I mean, at the time I was like pretty into it.58300:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,840I was going like every weekend for like a year.58400:42:19,840 --> 00:42:20,840Oh wow.58500:42:20,840 --> 00:42:21,840Oh wow.58600:42:21,840 --> 00:42:22,960How'd you like it?58700:42:22,960 --> 00:42:23,960A lot.58800:42:23,960 --> 00:42:24,960Yeah, it was cool.58900:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,400Learn anything from it?59000:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,440I mean, I usually just would like go in there with my friends and tell them what I would59100:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,960was into and like let them do certain things.59200:42:32,960 --> 00:42:39,960Like depending on the night, um, I stopped going just cause I fucking moved, but yeah,59300:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,520it was, it was cool.59400:42:41,520 --> 00:42:46,240I had like three friends that I would go there with that were also vetted and everything59500:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,520and in the different things.59600:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,200Yeah, I feel like if you're going to have any kind of like BDSM get together and stuff59700:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,760where you're exploring like fetishes and especially like role play and stuff that you have to59800:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,080have like vetted people.59900:42:59,080 --> 00:43:05,200Yeah, like anyone can, anyone who finds it can show up to like the meetings, but to be60000:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,200able to go to like the down side.60100:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,200To play play.60200:43:07,200 --> 00:43:13,000You have to be with, I assume it's all trusted people that are like, this is an insane person.60300:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,400You know, like the, like the army hammer guy.60400:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,400Yeah, the army hammer guy.60500:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,400The army hammer guy and everything.60600:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,960I was only recently tied up for the first time.60700:43:22,960 --> 00:43:23,960Really the first time.60800:43:23,960 --> 00:43:31,040Oh, you want me to go, you want me to talk more about it.60900:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,040Oh, okay.61000:43:32,040 --> 00:43:37,480Yeah, I was, we were, I was shooting a scene with my friend, Erin Everly, and she has a61100:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,000lot of experience in rope play.61200:43:41,000 --> 00:43:46,800So yeah, I got to experience that as being the, the person tied up.61300:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,280Yeah, she's actually pretty good.61400:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,280Yeah.61500:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,280You'll get to meet her.61600:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,280Yeah, very cool.61700:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,280That's right.61800:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,280She'll be here.61900:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,800At the dungeon space that I used to go to, they had like a winch with, with like a suspension62000:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,920ring and I would get like tied up.62100:43:59,920 --> 00:44:04,460My arms like tied up and pulled up on that and like be blindfolded and have like ear62200:44:04,460 --> 00:44:05,460plugs in and.62300:44:05,460 --> 00:44:06,460How's that feel?62400:44:06,460 --> 00:44:07,460It was cool.62500:44:07,460 --> 00:44:10,680I like sensory deprivation and that type of thing.62600:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,920I don't know how to describe the feeling because I've been tied up as well.62700:44:13,920 --> 00:44:21,920Like I hooked up with a sailor guy on a sailboat and like, he, he like.62800:44:21,920 --> 00:44:22,920Sailboat man.62900:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,680All I can say, I can't tell you the nouts he did, but I was completely restrained with63000:44:27,680 --> 00:44:35,080my ponytail tied to my, my wrist tied to my, my ankles and I was suspended off the roof63100:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,080of the sailboat.63200:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,080Yo.63300:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,080And I.63400:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,080Hot.63500:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,080It was.63600:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,080That's horny.63700:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,080A time.63800:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,080It was a time.63900:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,080Good for you.64000:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,080So I will.64100:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,080Yeah, damn.64200:44:46,080 --> 00:44:56,120I will say if you are into that, Seattle does have, I believe multiple like Shabari kind64300:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,800of groups that you can actually go in like in an environment like you two could actually64400:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,200go and learn like kind of like the basics and the knots and then get into like the more64500:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,200advanced stuff.64600:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,200Oh yeah.64700:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,440I think you were mentioning that before.64800:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,000I have mentioned it a lot.64900:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,000I know.65000:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,000I take advantage of that.65100:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,000We really do.65200:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,000Yeah.65300:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,000This isn't the first time he's brought this up.65400:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,000It is not.65500:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,000Shab, Shabari.65600:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,000Yeah.65700:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,000Shabari.65800:45:20,000 --> 00:45:29,400But yeah, I think, I think anytime that you take like senses away, so like eyesight, hearing,65900:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,680whatever the ability to talk like your other senses are very heightened.66000:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,060So you feel everything a lot more.66100:45:35,060 --> 00:45:39,280You feel the pain and the pleasure a lot more.66200:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,440That makes sense why people like to be like restrained, blindfolded and gagged.66300:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,440Sensory deprivation is awesome.66400:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,120Because then they're like, that's like ultimate pleasure.66500:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,960And other people are like, how could you do that to people?66600:45:51,960 --> 00:45:52,960What's wrong with you?66700:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,160And it's like, they're literally coming so hard right now.66800:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,280Because it's hot.66900:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,360Yep, definitely.67000:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,920And then if you can get into like a group where everyone feels very comfortable with67100:46:04,920 --> 00:46:11,160each other and everything's great, I mean, just like you found, like you can go every67200:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,440single weekend and just have so much fun.67300:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,500And if you're feeling like nervous about getting into that community, because that's very kind67400:46:20,500 --> 00:46:22,600of just taking the plunge, right?67500:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,140Like if you don't know anyone and you're just like, oh, I'm like interested into this stuff.67600:46:26,140 --> 00:46:28,640Maybe you're watching like YouTube videos online.67700:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,280You're like, yes.67800:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,080And you're kind of like looking like, how do I go?67900:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,000Like it's so intimidating to go to a dungeon.68000:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,000Like, oh, I don't know what to do.68100:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,160Like what do I wear?68200:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,500Like, what do I say?68300:46:42,500 --> 00:46:43,500What don't I say?68400:46:43,500 --> 00:46:48,200Like, because there is a difference between like porn and reality.68500:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,200Yes.68600:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,320Oh, you can't say that.68700:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,320Oh, no.68800:46:53,320 --> 00:46:54,520Did I just ruin?68900:46:54,520 --> 00:46:55,520You're breaking the immersion.69000:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,240Except for the people at this table.69100:46:58,240 --> 00:47:01,440Yeah.69200:47:01,440 --> 00:47:07,360But if you're interested in kind of exploring that or getting to know people, if you're69300:47:07,360 --> 00:47:13,400looking for like a way in, I would say do some research into your like local area and69400:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,080see if your area has any sort of like munches at all.69500:47:17,080 --> 00:47:23,560So that is a supposed to be very safe space to meet people publicly.69600:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,800Typically they have it like over lunch.69700:47:25,800 --> 00:47:26,800Munches?69800:47:26,800 --> 00:47:27,800Munches.69900:47:27,800 --> 00:47:28,800Yeah.70000:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,680So just like eating food.70100:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,840They'll try to keep it like very kind of like PG 13 because you're in public.70200:47:37,840 --> 00:47:44,360You don't want to be like, oh, the other day I was being whipped and I was getting fucked70300:47:44,360 --> 00:47:45,360so hard.70400:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,640You know, it's like and there's like a family with like a three year old like right next70500:47:48,640 --> 00:47:49,640to you.70600:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,640Yeah.70700:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,080We used to just like go to like a sandwich shop, like everyone and we would sit and just70800:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,560eat and like shoot the shit.70900:47:54,560 --> 00:47:55,560Yeah.71000:47:55,560 --> 00:48:01,040So I think it's a good way just to like get to know people and then slowly kind of lead71100:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,040into something.71200:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,120All right, everybody.71300:48:05,120 --> 00:48:10,080This is the end of part one for our two part series featuring Luna Vixen and Danny Sophia.71400:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,960Tune in next week to catch the rest.71500:48:11,960 --> 00:48:26,160I'm Nikki Sapphire signing off.