Episode 2: TEA Time

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,160Disclaimer, this podcast features explicit language200:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,180and discussion sexual in nature.300:00:06,180 --> 00:00:08,800It may contain subjects uncomfortable to some.400:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,160Please understand the opinions shared on this podcast500:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,640are not a representation of any organization600:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,920or employer the hosts may be a part of.700:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,480We're gonna be going over a couple of sexy subjects today.800:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,400What's on our list, Jay?900:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,160Some juicy stuff.1000:00:27,160 --> 00:00:28,760Yeah, let's just jump right into it.1100:00:28,760 --> 00:00:33,320So I know that you actually took a little field trip1200:00:33,320 --> 00:00:34,160down south.1300:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,240I did, I did.1400:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,520I went to the Tees, the Trans Erotica Awards.1500:00:40,520 --> 00:00:41,440The Tees.1600:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,040In Hollywood, California, yeah.1700:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,240Yeah, she went without me.1800:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,760I unfortunately had to make this trip,1900:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,960well not by myself, but Jenny couldn't come.2000:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,280She got sick literally like a few days as well.2100:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,680Like I'm packing bags and she's like, I don't know,2200:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,600I don't think I can make it this time.2300:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,120So.2400:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,700It was unfortunate, but I'll be,2500:01:03,700 --> 00:01:06,340I'll definitely be coming to next year's2600:01:06,340 --> 00:01:09,320and I definitely had to not go2700:01:09,320 --> 00:01:12,160because I wasn't feeling good.2800:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,240It would have just been a,2900:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,180I would have been a hindrance on the trip, you know.3000:01:16,180 --> 00:01:17,020We missed you.3100:01:17,020 --> 00:01:18,200We definitely missed you.3200:01:18,200 --> 00:01:19,880There was a lot of times I was like, damn,3300:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,380you know what would have made this a lot better?3400:01:23,340 --> 00:01:24,920My woman.3500:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,000Oh. Yeah.3600:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,720But who did you go down with?3700:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,680My friend, little Sib.3800:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,240She drove down from Canada, scooped me up.3900:01:36,240 --> 00:01:41,240We went down to Oregon, picked up our friend, Aaron Everly4000:01:41,240 --> 00:01:46,240and then we just started making our way down.4100:01:46,380 --> 00:01:49,000California, it took us like a whole day.4200:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,600It took us like 24 hours to get down there.4300:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,36024 hours, wow.4400:01:52,360 --> 00:01:53,480Yeah.4500:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,840We took an electric car4600:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,760so we were driving and making like pit stops4700:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,160and charging the car, taking our little potty breaks,4800:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,900sipping on coffee, enjoying the sights on the way down.4900:02:06,900 --> 00:02:09,360So many pretty mountains we had to drive through.5000:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,360I actually had to drive through the snow.5100:02:12,360 --> 00:02:13,200Wow.5200:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,780There were point times where I was in the snow,5300:02:16,780 --> 00:02:19,320which is very contrasting to when we got there,5400:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,160we immediately took a shower and then went to the beach.5500:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,000So.5600:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,720Yeah, that's like so crazy to me.5700:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,260All of us coming from Florida,5800:02:28,260 --> 00:02:29,880like right now it's spring break,5900:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,840everyone's in bikinis and flip flops6000:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,280and board shorts and stuff like that.6100:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,040And it's, you know, up here in Seattle,6200:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,840we're thirties, forties.6300:02:36,840 --> 00:02:37,660Yeah.6400:02:37,660 --> 00:02:39,600So wearing like big poofy jackets and stuff6500:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,240and there's flurries outside every now and then.6600:02:42,240 --> 00:02:43,820Yeah, we saw a few people on the beach.6700:02:43,820 --> 00:02:46,280I don't know if everyone in California6800:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,120is ready for beach season yet6900:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,600because there's a lot of people not out there.7000:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,800But you know, we've been trapped in Washington7100:02:53,800 --> 00:02:54,720for this whole time.7200:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,800So it was like, wow, it's in the sixties.7300:02:57,800 --> 00:02:58,640Let's go.7400:02:58,640 --> 00:03:00,560We were all excited to go to the beach.7500:03:00,560 --> 00:03:01,400Yeah.7600:03:01,400 --> 00:03:02,220It was fun.7700:03:02,220 --> 00:03:03,060I had a good time.7800:03:03,060 --> 00:03:03,900Sexy sounds warm.7900:03:05,080 --> 00:03:06,320So what'd I miss?8000:03:06,320 --> 00:03:07,160What'd I miss?8100:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,640When I was at Tees, was it a beautiful venue?8200:03:09,640 --> 00:03:10,680Tell me something.8300:03:10,680 --> 00:03:11,680Tell me something good.8400:03:11,680 --> 00:03:16,680So the pre-party was hosted at the Bardo.8500:03:19,680 --> 00:03:20,520Bardo.8600:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,560The Bardo, no, not the drink.8700:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,120It was a venue.8800:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,240I think it's the historic Avalon8900:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,560and they have like an upstairs portion of it9000:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,040called the Bardo.9100:03:31,040 --> 00:03:36,040Really, really dark ambient with like, you know,9200:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,280a lot of sexy ornate decorations everywhere.9300:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,120Okay.9400:03:42,120 --> 00:03:42,940I'm sorry.9500:03:42,940 --> 00:03:44,320I just have to ask.9600:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,680The Tees, what you're explaining to me,9700:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,540tea party at all?9800:03:49,540 --> 00:03:50,640There was no tea party.9900:03:50,640 --> 00:03:51,480No tea party.10000:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,520It was definitely a missed opportunity.10100:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,800There should be definitely some sort of trans girl juice10200:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,280that they serve, I think, you know.10300:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,480And you can like dress up in like the fancy,10400:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,360like British outfits or like, you know, old school.10500:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,120Oh, no, don't go too far.10600:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,560Well, come on, come on.10700:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,880Who doesn't want to get dressed up all fancy10800:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,120for a tea party and wear those like fancy,10900:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,040like Victorian style wigs and stuff?11000:04:18,040 --> 00:04:18,880Gross.11100:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,520I think that sounds wonderful.11200:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,000Victorian wigs?11300:04:22,000 --> 00:04:22,840I don't care.11400:04:22,840 --> 00:04:27,840It's for the idea of dressing up and enjoying some tea,11500:04:29,160 --> 00:04:30,760like they did back in the day.11600:04:30,760 --> 00:04:35,000This is a time where men, a lot of men wore wigs.11700:04:35,000 --> 00:04:35,920Yeah, and tights.11800:04:35,920 --> 00:04:36,760And tights.11900:04:36,760 --> 00:04:37,580Yes.12000:04:37,580 --> 00:04:38,420And heels.12100:04:38,420 --> 00:04:39,260And heels, yeah.12200:04:39,260 --> 00:04:40,080And heels.12300:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,040And the higher the heel, apparently,12400:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,160the more elegant they were.12500:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,000Really?12600:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,140And more fancy of the guy they were, yeah.12700:04:48,140 --> 00:04:49,560But we'll just.12800:04:49,560 --> 00:04:50,400I'm gonna wear the high heels.12900:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,920I'm more focused on the tees here.13000:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,760So the venue was nice.13100:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,480You're talking about the pre-party.13200:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,020Yeah, there was the pre-party, which was held upstairs,13300:05:00,020 --> 00:05:02,580which it was mostly like a networking event.13400:05:02,580 --> 00:05:04,140Everybody's there hanging out.13500:05:04,140 --> 00:05:05,700They have drinks.13600:05:05,700 --> 00:05:08,880You get to roam around and talk with people13700:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,740that you've, you know, probably seen on the internet.13800:05:12,740 --> 00:05:17,560I know I was kind of overstimulated a little bit13900:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,600because I'm walking into a brand new place14000:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,600I've never been to, and I'm like, oh my God, I know you.14100:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,120I've seen you on the internet.14200:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,500Oh my God, I know you.14300:05:29,500 --> 00:05:30,880I've been friends with you for years,14400:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,720and I'm finally now seeing you in person.14500:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,440It was wow.14600:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,040I have to just ask.14700:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,920Because all of us went to Comic-Con just a few weeks ago.14800:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,260So when you said overstimulated,14900:05:44,260 --> 00:05:47,200how does that compare to Comic-Con?15000:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,680Because, you know, we got to meet the actress15100:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,080I played, Bo-Katan.15200:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,040That was very overstimulating.15300:05:53,040 --> 00:05:54,680And just seeing like the, those of you15400:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,720that have not been to Comic-Con,15500:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,000the floors and floors of art and the people15600:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,880and just mass chaos for four days straight.15700:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,640So like, how does that compare?15800:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,520Yeah, I definitely nerd out a little bit more15900:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,680with, you know, comic book stuff.16000:06:14,680 --> 00:06:19,680You know, movies, television, things of that nature.16100:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,760And we got to meet Katie Sackhoff.16200:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,280That was super cool.16300:06:24,280 --> 00:06:28,560The actress who portrays Bo-Katan and the Mandalorian.16400:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,360We were definitely fangirling a little bit there16500:06:31,360 --> 00:06:32,840while we were in line to meet her.16600:06:32,840 --> 00:06:33,800That was cool.16700:06:36,020 --> 00:06:37,820It's a different experience.16800:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,320I don't want to say Comic-Con isn't sexy,16900:06:42,320 --> 00:06:43,760because it definitely is.17000:06:43,760 --> 00:06:44,760It definitely can.17100:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,760It definitely is a sexy event.17200:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,960It's just a different type of sexy event.17300:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,200It's more like a, it's sexy, but you know,17400:06:53,200 --> 00:06:54,680our parents are here and they're watching,17500:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,160so you have to behave.17600:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,060Whereas the T's, the opposite of that.17700:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,040Lots of interesting bathroom activities17800:07:05,040 --> 00:07:06,760going on in the parties.17900:07:06,760 --> 00:07:07,600Yeah.18000:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,320Speaking of the T's and meeting people,18100:07:09,320 --> 00:07:10,400did you meet anyone cool?18200:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,000Did you meet anyone that you've been a follower of?18300:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,280And were like, wow, I follow you.18400:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,840Like, it's finally great to meet you in person.18500:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,960Or opposite, was there people that met you,18600:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,840like, oh my God, I've been following you for years.18700:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,000Fantastic to meet you.18800:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,320Yeah, I met some people I've been friends with18900:07:26,320 --> 00:07:31,000for a long time that I was really excited to finally meet.19000:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,660You know, I was, oh my God,19100:07:32,660 --> 00:07:35,200we've been talking about hanging out forever19200:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,280and shooting porn and that stuff.19300:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,080And I was finally face to face with them.19400:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,080They're not some person in my computer or in my phone.19500:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,120I was like, wow, hi, they do exist.19600:07:50,120 --> 00:07:50,960Yeah.19700:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,000You know?19800:07:52,000 --> 00:07:52,840Yeah.19900:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,280That was a good experience.20000:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,600I got to meet a lot of people that said20100:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,840that they've known me for years,20200:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,080which was, you know, it's a different experience20300:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,240on the other side.20400:08:04,240 --> 00:08:09,240Meeting someone excited to meet you, you know?20500:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,360And you're like, oh my God, yeah, great.20600:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,080Let's talk about life and stuff.20700:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,440Hi, nice to meet you.20800:08:16,920 --> 00:08:17,760Oh yeah.20900:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,520And that also brings me, I totally forgot this until now,21000:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,720but I saw a little clip of you21100:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,320and they gave you a microphone.21200:08:26,320 --> 00:08:27,680They did give me a microphone.21300:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,680So on stage, they gave her a microphone on stage.21400:08:32,680 --> 00:08:34,000What?21500:08:34,880 --> 00:08:39,600So I presented an award to one of the people,21600:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,120one of the contestant, one of the nominees.21700:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,560I presented an award to a nominee.21800:08:46,560 --> 00:08:47,400Cool.21900:08:47,400 --> 00:08:48,360Who, what was it?22000:08:48,360 --> 00:08:49,200Like, who was it?22100:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,080It was the Producer's Choice Award.22200:08:51,080 --> 00:08:56,080I presented it to a well-known model, Cora Del Rio.22300:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,480She wasn't there, but I presented the award.22400:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,240I presented the hell out of the award.22500:09:04,240 --> 00:09:09,240So they gave me a microphone and invited me on stage22600:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,000and I got to present the award.22700:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,080Unfortunately, she wasn't there.22800:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,280Happens.22900:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,600Everybody's out there trying to make porn.23000:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,280I mean, it could be worse.23100:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,800Somebody could have came on stage23200:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,200and smacked you or something.23300:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,440That wouldn't have been that bad.23400:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,200Honestly, for that type of event, it's actually-23500:09:31,200 --> 00:09:32,600I'm actually rock about that.23600:09:32,600 --> 00:09:37,240For the type of an event it was,23700:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,840the fact that it didn't happen, kind of disappointing.23800:09:40,880 --> 00:09:41,720But-23900:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,400Oh yeah, maybe that would have been like,24000:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,720it turned into like a content, like a scene.24100:09:47,720 --> 00:09:48,560But yeah.24200:09:48,560 --> 00:09:50,520You've been naughty, you gave the award to,24300:09:50,520 --> 00:09:51,360I'm sorry.24400:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,880Sorry, my mind is going to like work.24500:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,320I just imagine the camera guy's like,24600:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,160wait, what's going on?24700:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,000What?24800:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,840Oh, oh, oh, okay.24900:09:59,840 --> 00:10:00,680Okay.25000:10:00,680 --> 00:10:02,600This is the new type of award show.25100:10:04,560 --> 00:10:07,080Yeah, so got to do a lot of cool stuff.25200:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,080Got to go on stage.25300:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,080Got to talk to a whole bunch of people,25400:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,880which was pretty wild for me.25500:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,680I've never been on stage before.25600:10:13,680 --> 00:10:15,880We got to do a red carpet event.25700:10:15,880 --> 00:10:20,160We were all interviewed by a well-known person25800:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,160in our community, T.S. Foxy.25900:10:23,680 --> 00:10:28,680I got to talk to the mistress of ceremonies,26000:10:28,680 --> 00:10:32,920Domino Pressley, and oh, wow.26100:10:32,920 --> 00:10:33,760Yeah.26200:10:33,760 --> 00:10:34,760Amazing dress.26300:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,200Yeah, I bet she looked gorgeous for it.26400:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,080And she killed it on stage.26500:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,680She was like up there telling people to shut up and stuff.26600:10:40,680 --> 00:10:43,160They were being like, you know.26700:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,640She was being the mistress of ceremonies.26800:10:44,640 --> 00:10:45,480She was.26900:10:45,480 --> 00:10:46,720And she did an amazing job.27000:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,520I'm just a little upset.27100:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,800So what did you wear for the red carpet experience?27200:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,120I wore a very flashy sequin dress27300:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,080because I wanted sparkles everywhere.27400:10:59,080 --> 00:11:00,920Okay, so nothing that, I don't know,27500:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,680Jay Wheeler designed or anything?27600:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,160Maybe next year.27700:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,320Maybe next year, yeah.27800:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,240Maybe next year we can bring a whole posse of Jay Wheeler27900:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,600latex clothing or leather clothing, custom clothing.28000:11:14,600 --> 00:11:15,440Yeah.28100:11:15,440 --> 00:11:16,920In time, in time, definitely.28200:11:16,920 --> 00:11:17,760In time.28300:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,800We'll definitely start showcasing some of your work28400:11:21,800 --> 00:11:26,800in the near futures.28500:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,520How are you gonna put me on the spot like that, Jay?28600:11:30,520 --> 00:11:31,720Sorry, sorry.28700:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,400It's, for those of you that don't know,28800:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,480I've been trying to work with Nikki28900:11:39,480 --> 00:11:44,160on some kind of fashion clothing stuff29000:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,800or cosplay and content.29100:11:47,720 --> 00:11:48,560Sorry.29200:11:48,560 --> 00:11:50,320They've been working diligently.29300:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,160Yeah.29400:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,200Diligently as in like, it's gonna take forever.29500:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,760What kind of things are you talking about, Jay?29600:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,440I don't know.29700:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,920What sort of things are we talking about?29800:12:02,560 --> 00:12:06,960So for instance, one project that we have been working on29900:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,960is the, those of you that have watched the anime Cyberpunk,30000:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,440I am working on a cosplay outfit for Lucy,30100:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,480which will be made out of some latex,30200:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,000which I think will be pretty amazing.30300:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,840But yeah, so that's in the works.30400:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,840Hopefully you guys will see that a little bit later.30500:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,320I'm excited to try it on.30600:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,920Anyways, back to the teas.30700:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,560The teas that do not serve teas,30800:12:39,560 --> 00:12:42,640but you have drinks that are not tea.30900:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,440Oh yeah, they had plenty of drinks.31000:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,480Yeah, I mean, so it was a bar.31100:12:48,480 --> 00:12:49,600Both events had a bar.31200:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,000Yeah.31300:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,480Sounds like overall it was a good time, good experience.31400:12:54,480 --> 00:12:55,680I had a great time.31500:12:55,680 --> 00:12:59,760I got to meet a lot of people in the industry31600:12:59,760 --> 00:13:04,760that I want to work with and make more adult content with31700:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,920both on and off camera.31800:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,400Like as in like the producers rolling the camera.31900:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,760I met people that shoot porn that I want to work with.32000:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,840I met people that want to be in porn with me32100:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,840and I'm excited to start, you know, making those plans.32200:13:25,840 --> 00:13:26,840It's exciting.32300:13:26,840 --> 00:13:27,960Can't wait for next year.32400:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,040Yeah, definitely.32500:13:29,040 --> 00:13:29,880Definitely.32600:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,480We'll definitely have to go to tomorrow.32700:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,240We will definitely have to go together next year.32800:13:35,240 --> 00:13:36,320We're going tomorrow.32900:13:36,320 --> 00:13:37,480Tomorrow.33000:13:37,480 --> 00:13:38,720Sorry, English.33100:13:38,720 --> 00:13:43,720But yeah, I mean, is there anything else33200:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,040y'all want to know about my experience?33300:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,240Oh, this kind of comes into what I wanted to talk about33400:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,760today, but it's a good question to ask you33500:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,160because you were going down for a transgender event.33600:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,720How'd you feel with how a lot of people were being33700:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,960more public with their hate against us33800:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,240and also a lot of people were being in big support.33900:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,360Did you see any of that?34000:14:09,360 --> 00:14:10,360Did you see any hate?34100:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,400Did you see any really big supporters?34200:14:13,640 --> 00:14:14,480How'd it feel?34300:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,080It's actually funny thing that you mentioned that.34400:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,840That is definitely something in the back34500:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,520of a lot of our minds.34600:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,200I was talking with Safir Blue about this34700:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,600because we were, you know, for a while34800:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,440we were kind of hesitant, like, should we go?34900:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,800Like, people are getting shot, you know?35000:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,120Like, that kind of sounds like a big target, you know,35100:14:39,120 --> 00:14:44,120for an event for so many trans people.35200:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,080And, you know, and I was talking to Steven Grooby,35300:14:49,080 --> 00:14:54,080the big Grooby person, you know, the-35400:14:55,400 --> 00:14:56,240Head honcho.35500:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,200The head honcho, making all the things happening down there.35600:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,160We had mentioned like,35700:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,120he had asked how we felt as well.35800:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,760He's like, you know, like, how do y'all feel35900:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,680as far as like the venue goes, safety wise?36000:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,120I'm like, yeah, we feel pretty safe here.36100:15:16,040 --> 00:15:21,040Like, he said that he had taken extra security measures36200:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,480this year because of the things going on.36300:15:23,480 --> 00:15:28,480He had actually hired more people to just be present.36400:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,480Security outside, security inside.36500:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,840And that made me feel a lot better,36600:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,700knowing that, you know, someone,36700:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,040someone that's planning on bringing36800:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,160so many people together, so many targets36900:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,600in our community for some people,37000:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,440to actually like put in the extra effort37100:15:52,440 --> 00:15:57,000to making sure that we all feel safe in a venue like that.37200:15:57,000 --> 00:16:02,000So he definitely said that's something37300:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,560that he wants to focus on in the future,37400:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,440make sure we all feel safe, so.37500:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,320That was kind of one of my big anxieties of going,37600:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,320before I found out I was gonna be sick.37700:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,480But while going down there, I was kind of worried that,37800:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,160you know, it was gonna be an unsafe environment for us37900:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,760because a lot of people, when there's a lot of laws38000:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,040being passed and things happening in the political38100:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,500environment, that like people just express their hate38200:16:31,500 --> 00:16:34,160more publicly and they're more violent towards other people.38300:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,200I don't know if it's just that or, you know, other reasons,38400:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,840but kind of what I was going to talk about today38500:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,840is that, like how we feel about everything38600:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,700that all these bills are being passed.38700:16:48,700 --> 00:16:50,840We're not gonna discuss them individually right now,38800:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,120but there's a lot of anti-trans bills being passed38900:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,660in the country and it's kind of scary thought.39000:16:56,660 --> 00:17:00,920And, you know, we're in an adult industry,39100:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,540like what we do for work, so we're like a double target.39200:17:04,540 --> 00:17:06,960And sometimes it makes me feel really uncomfortable,39300:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,960but seeing like the people that are like out there publicly,39400:17:13,380 --> 00:17:16,240for instance, Pedro Pascal has been really public39500:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,720about his support for transgender rights.39600:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,760And the gay community as a whole.39700:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,200And just like seeing people be more public about that39800:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,060has been like making me feel a little bit better.39900:17:27,060 --> 00:17:29,520Yeah, he has a transgender sister, actually.40000:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,640And he's like super supportive of her.40100:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,960Like, yeah, my sister's trans, she's fucking cool.40200:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,540Steven Grooby saying that he wanted to up security.40300:17:38,540 --> 00:17:41,120Like if I was there, I would have literally given him40400:17:41,120 --> 00:17:43,780a hug because that's what I was thinking the entire time40500:17:43,780 --> 00:17:44,620going down there.40600:17:44,620 --> 00:17:46,040I'm pretty sure I did give him a hug.40700:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,200I think I gave him a hug.40800:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,760Are they thinking about these things?40900:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,500Yeah, I gave him multiple hugs, actually.41000:17:53,560 --> 00:17:54,400That's good.41100:17:54,400 --> 00:17:55,340You gave him one for me then.41200:17:55,340 --> 00:17:56,360Yeah, exactly.41300:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,560But it's just like, are these people,41400:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,080are like our supporters thinking about these things?41500:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,380Like if they're hosting events.41600:18:06,380 --> 00:18:11,300And because there's so many bills being passed,41700:18:11,300 --> 00:18:14,280are trying to take away our rights as humans.41800:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,520One thing that I just recently watched,41900:18:17,520 --> 00:18:18,960it's been out for a few years now,42000:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,080but I just recently watched it a few days ago,42100:18:21,080 --> 00:18:26,080was the documentary for Alexandra Snow.42200:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,480And something that just kind of like I thought of real quick,42300:18:30,480 --> 00:18:31,400she talked in there.42400:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,040So Alexandra Snow is a very famous dominatrix.42500:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,440She has a physical dungeon.42600:18:39,440 --> 00:18:48,440She trains upcoming BDSM kind of doms, very, very popular,42700:18:50,880 --> 00:18:51,960and famous.42800:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,880In her documentary, she actually talked about briefly,42900:18:57,280 --> 00:19:02,280one day for sex workers, the whole dream is one day43000:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,280you would not have to use a stage name.43100:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,760I thought that was really interesting.43200:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,400And I don't wanna get off into a tangent too much,43300:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,000but something that I really thought was interesting43400:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,000was her struggle with people not accepting her43500:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,640for who she was in regards to her version of sex work.43600:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,680And she kind of talked about like,43700:19:26,680 --> 00:19:31,400one day hopefully no sex workers have to use a stage name.43800:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,160And I wasn't really prepared for that.43900:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,480Like she's such a strong kind of independent woman.44000:19:38,480 --> 00:19:43,320And then she's talking about these struggles of her version.44100:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,280It's like double for us,44200:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,800because we're not only sex workers, but we're trans.44300:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,680Makes it more dangerous, unfortunately.44400:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,920But one day I do hope for a future where sex work44500:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,000is looked as normal work, it's a career.44600:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,760It is, people have sex.44700:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,440Some people would like to pay money for sex.44800:20:02,440 --> 00:20:03,600That's a real thing.44900:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,160And people just wanna pay to consume, to watch.45000:20:07,160 --> 00:20:12,160And if we're at a point where everything was,45100:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,280where girls had security,45200:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,200there's checks being held, background checks.45300:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,680Clients were being checked to make sure they're legitimate.45400:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,160The money transactions are being legitimized.45500:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,120There's so much, it would be so much better45600:20:30,120 --> 00:20:31,840for both parties.45700:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,600But it's just, well, we all know why.45800:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,560We all know why, and it deals with religious things.45900:20:38,560 --> 00:20:39,400But.46000:20:39,400 --> 00:20:40,240What?46100:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,120That's not what we're talking about today.46200:20:43,120 --> 00:20:48,120We just wanna, I just wanted to say that I can't believe.46300:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,360I personally cannot believe46400:20:51,360 --> 00:20:55,280that I'm seeing all these anti-trans bills.46500:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,640I really can't believe it,46600:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,920because when I first started transitioning,46700:20:59,920 --> 00:21:03,640there was a lot of anti-trans bills already.46800:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,600There was no pro-trans right bills.46900:21:07,600 --> 00:21:08,880There was barely any.47000:21:08,880 --> 00:21:09,920And then we got to a place47100:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,360where there was a bunch being implemented,47200:21:12,360 --> 00:21:15,160and people were getting healthcare covered.47300:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,240I got my surgeries covered.47400:21:19,240 --> 00:21:24,000Things that helped me become a whole woman in my eyes,47500:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,520I would never have been able to get47600:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,200unless laws were passed.47700:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,160And now they wanna take those laws away.47800:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,960And it's just, it's devastating to me.47900:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,440But also I kinda, I try to stay on the positive48000:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,520and look at the people that are,48100:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,080you know, being supporters of us,48200:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,600because that's important, I feel like.48300:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,160There definitely has been a pattern48400:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,560of three steps forward, two steps back.48500:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,000It's weird that that's reality that I'm like,48600:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,040oh, this is how it is.48700:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,480We get some rights, and then someone else gets into power,48800:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,600and they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, not in my America.48900:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,720Let's dial it back a little bit.49000:22:05,720 --> 00:22:10,560You know, where we kinda built this place to,49100:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,400it's, you know, be free and do the things49200:22:13,400 --> 00:22:14,960that we wanna do without hurting people.49300:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,880So we covered this with Danny and Luna.49400:22:21,760 --> 00:22:26,560Unfortunately, again, I believe politicians have noticed49500:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,040that to get votes, they need to get people angry49600:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,440and wound up, and they're gonna like,49700:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,960go after anything that they can.49800:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,800So if it's gonna be-49900:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,320We're a big target for that.50000:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,880We're a big talking point.50100:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,800Anything trans-related, they're like,50200:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,200oh, we can't have men in the ladies' room.50300:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,800It's always a fun argument to have for everybody.50400:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,240Honestly, this whole environment around trans people50500:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,000and politics and laws and stuff50600:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,840has made me scared as a trans person,50700:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,440because I don't, for me personally,50800:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,600I know some people may argue with me out there.50900:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,440I don't think I have a very passable voice.51000:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,520So when I'm out in public, especially nowadays,51100:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,320I don't really like to talk very loud,51200:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,120and it makes everything very difficult,51300:23:11,120 --> 00:23:12,520especially when I'm talking to her51400:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,080out in a very loud area,51500:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,400because I'm talking very quietly,51600:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,760because I don't want anyone to hear me,51700:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,600call me out and start hating on me because I'm trans.51800:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,600And it's been making public life more difficult51900:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,120because of all of this happening,52000:23:27,120 --> 00:23:29,040because it just makes me feel like,52100:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,920it's socially unacceptable for me to be me.52200:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,880I will say, it shouldn't fucking matter.52300:23:39,880 --> 00:23:40,720It shouldn't.52400:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,240Your voice should not fucking matter.52500:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,720It shouldn't.52600:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,800I totally agree.52700:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,280But we gotta be realistic with the people out there52800:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,960that are not willing to accept the fact52900:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,280that trans people exist.53000:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,080Or just people ignorant to it in general.53100:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,800For a lot of people,53200:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,600we are their first trans experience in any capacity.53300:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,880Like, wow, I saw a trans person at the grocery store today53400:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,280for the first time ever.53500:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,840That happens.53600:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,840You know, that's also how a lot of people53700:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,920that are straight and cis, like Jay here,53800:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,240become supporters because they have a friend,53900:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,000they meet someone that is trans,54000:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,360and they realize they're just a normal person.54100:24:30,360 --> 00:24:32,160Like, they're just a normal person.54200:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,240It's just their gender identity that I don't understand.54300:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,120And then it takes a really smart person to be like,54400:24:40,120 --> 00:24:41,840well, I wanna understand that.54500:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,640I wanna learn about that.54600:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,320And I feel like it's a very special moment54700:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,120when a trans person is able to teach someone54800:24:50,120 --> 00:24:52,000that is ignorant to the subject,54900:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000and it kind of awakens them.55000:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,600They're like, wow, you're just a person.55100:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,320A lot of people aren't willing to learn55200:24:58,320 --> 00:25:03,320because that requires time and effort on their part.55300:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,240And why would they be bothered?55400:25:06,240 --> 00:25:11,240Yeah, but I would argue that being upset about-55500:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,400Takes time and effort too.55600:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,280Yeah, I would find that so exhausting55700:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,120if I was like, every trans person I saw was like,55800:25:18,120 --> 00:25:21,760oh, I'm gonna get mad, I'm gonna try to cause a scene55900:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,080and try to make them uncomfortable.56000:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,160That takes time, that takes effort.56100:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,560That's exhausting to me.56200:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,240It would be so much easier just to keep your head down56300:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,360and just move on.56400:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,560And just be like, oh, okay.56500:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,400They're just enjoying their life, move on.56600:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,720Okay, moving on.56700:25:40,720 --> 00:25:41,680Yeah.56800:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,240What else we got to go over?56900:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,080Oh, Jay, you had something special for us today, didn't you?57000:25:46,080 --> 00:25:46,920Yes.57100:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,720So, first of all, I do wanna say I have never participated57200:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,280in financial dominatrix, so like a Fendon.57300:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,560It is something that is kind of a hot topic57400:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,480in the BDSM kind of world realm, if you will.57500:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,400A lot of us talk about how it's kind of frowned upon.57600:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,400It gives our community kind of a bad name57700:26:14,400 --> 00:26:19,400because a lot of times, and in a typical BDSM relationship,57800:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,880you build trust.57900:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,960There's a lot of trust going on.58000:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,840Even if you go see a pro dom,58100:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,840typically your first interaction,58200:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,440they wanna talk to you, sit down, meet you,58300:26:31,440 --> 00:26:32,720see what your expectations are,58400:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,480see if you're a good fit.58500:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,800Fendon, on the other hand, from my knowledge of it,58600:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,800it's a lot of times on Twitter or on an online platform,58700:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,680and it's kind of like a business.58800:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,680I just wanna crank out, I'm gonna use you,58900:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,480I'm gonna extort you, I'm going to kind of bully you59000:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,480into paying however much I want you to pay,59100:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,080and then I'm gonna move on.59200:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,880When you run out of money, I'm gonna move on,59300:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,160which, yeah, like a pro dom, you do pay for a session.59400:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,200However, one thing that, when I first heard about this,59500:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,880one thing that I actually worried about59600:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,680was people being taken advantage of.59700:27:25,680 --> 00:27:26,520So.59800:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,480Isn't that like the idea of it, though?59900:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,000Yes.60000:27:31,000 --> 00:27:31,960Yes and no?60100:27:31,960 --> 00:27:32,800Right.60200:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,840I can see the bad sides of it60300:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,520because people could actually be60400:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,240really taking advantage of someone,60500:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,840but I feel like there's a lot of pay pickies60600:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,720that would really enjoy being like,60700:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,520oh yeah, just extract all my money, here's my credit card.60800:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,600I don't think it's like that.60900:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,000I think it starts very innocently.61000:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,280I think a lot of times maybe you have a dom61100:28:00,280 --> 00:28:07,280that's not at the level that they should be at.61200:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,720They're in it for the wrong reasons.61300:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,880They didn't go through any sort of training process.61400:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,880So for instance, there would be,61500:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,240if you two woke up one day and was like,61600:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,360I wanna be a fen dom, you could just hop on Twitter,61700:28:22,360 --> 00:28:26,720start posting content, find you some pay pigs,61800:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,160and use them until they ran out of money61900:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,200and then moved on to the next one.62000:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,040There's not really a necessarily a vetting process.62100:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,920And that's, again, like BDSM, it's all about consent62200:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,360and setting boundaries and limits.62300:28:44,360 --> 00:28:49,360So for me, personally, if you were going to do it,62400:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,520and I don't mean to kink shame anyone out there,62500:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,320by no means we're all into different things.62600:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,240So I kinda like wanna give some guidelines62700:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,200on how to do this.62800:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,360If you are going to do it,62900:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,720how to do it properly and safely, I guess.63000:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,120So like the approach that I would take is63100:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,120look at your expenses, look at your income,63200:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,240and then set an amount that you're willing to spend.63300:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,280So if you have $100 disposable income63400:29:25,280 --> 00:29:30,000every month, only spend $100.63500:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,640I feel like a lot of times with fen doms,63600:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,040they're going to take that 10063700:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,200and try to take more and more and more,63800:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,360and that's going to cause you a financial burden, which.63900:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,400This is from the side of the pay pig.64000:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,800Yes. Pay pig.64100:29:44,800 --> 00:29:45,800Yes. Gotcha.64200:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,480So only spend your disposable income.64300:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,080Once you run out, that's it.64400:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,560And I would clearly define that with the fen dom.64500:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,760Yeah.64600:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,480I feel like if they were constantly like hounding you64700:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,440and wanting you to pay more and more,64800:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,320and even after you set that clear boundary,64900:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,360you might wanna move on.65000:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,360Red flag. Red flag, yeah.65100:30:10,360 --> 00:30:15,040And then also I would say research the people before.65200:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,200So if you're on Twitter and you're looking at fen doms,65300:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,800I would search for their user handle,65400:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,240see what people are saying about them.65500:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,600Are there people that are upset on Twitter saying,65600:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,200oh, they're blackmailing me and I didn't consent to that,65700:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,320or they took everything and I can't pay rent65800:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,520or something like that.65900:30:37,600 --> 00:30:38,600So I look for that.66000:30:38,600 --> 00:30:39,640And then I would also,66100:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,840something to be aware of is catfishing.66200:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,320Catfishing. Yeah.66300:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,560Again, more catfishing.66400:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,040Something that I saw when I started kind of like,66500:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,840when I first researched this is that on Twitter specifically,66600:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,000there's like catfish fen dom accounts.66700:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,320So they'll actually say like upfront, like I-66800:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,160It's a mouthful.66900:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,400I am a catfish fen dom.67000:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,240And it could be anyone.67100:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,600It could be me.67200:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,400I could be on Twitter as a catfish fen dom67300:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,600and I'll post pictures without consent67400:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,560of someone like Bell Delphine.67500:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,960Like I'll just take her photos, take her content.67600:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,640Well, that's just wrong in itself.67700:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,480Oh yeah.67800:31:20,480 --> 00:31:21,320And then-67900:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,920Because they're stealing other people's content.68000:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,880And I'll post it, pretend to be her.68100:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,960Obviously though, like in my Twitter bio,68200:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,960I'll say like, I'm not Bell Delphine.68300:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,840I think people kind of think68400:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,200that like waves responsibility somehow.68500:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,320That's interesting though,68600:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,840because usually when there's like things like that,68700:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,080like you said, catfish fen dom, people are into that.68800:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,480So like that is,68900:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,160I guess I just don't understand like how someone69000:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,560would want to be financially dominated69100:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,960by someone that they obviously know is not them.69200:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,800It's probably cheaper.69300:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,640Yes.69400:31:57,640 --> 00:31:58,640I would imagine because they're like,69500:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,960oh, well this is the-69600:31:59,960 --> 00:32:00,960Still wrong though.69700:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,480This is the name brand.69800:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,760Okay, now we have the generic brand, the catfish person.69900:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,840Like, yeah, it's their likeness,70000:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,840but they're also like not paying that model that they're-70100:32:13,000 --> 00:32:13,840Yeah, that's why it's wrong.70200:32:13,840 --> 00:32:14,760That they're portraying.70300:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,120They don't have consent to be sharing their images70400:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,640and they probably went on their OnlyFans,70500:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,400downloaded all these images to sell them on their behalf70600:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,040for them for their own profit, you know?70700:32:26,040 --> 00:32:26,960That's what they do.70800:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,440We probably have people70900:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,720that made catfish fen dom accounts of us.71000:32:30,720 --> 00:32:31,560Oh my God.71100:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,080Do you know how many times I get message being like,71200:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,520are you down there in California?71300:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,360Are you here?71400:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,600Yeah, you have an account down there asking me for gas money.71500:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,080I'm like, well, that's not me.71600:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,840I- Yeah, it's unfortunate.71700:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,840I don't need your gas money, I'm sorry.71800:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,640And just to like play the devil's advocate here,71900:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,880on the other side of it,72000:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,880fen dom could be positive in the way of72100:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,760if you are not dealing with a catfish,72200:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,560if you are truly dealing with a fen dom72300:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,500who is listening and respecting your limits.72400:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,040The only thing I can think of is maybe you live somewhere72500:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,960where you don't have any local dungeons,72600:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,720you don't have a way to interact with people.72700:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,080So, you know, some places in like this,72800:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,400in the South, in the country where it's like, okay, well,72900:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,320it's either like drive six hours to go to a local dungeon73000:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,320or I can like kind of play online.73100:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,920Kind of reminds me of that TV show, Bonding.73200:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,280Oh, yes. Did you watch that?73300:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,600Yes.73400:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,640That's a good show.73500:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,160I like the scene where they're, you know,73600:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,760she takes the guy shopping, uses his wallet,73700:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,840and then there's this like whole convoluted plot73800:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,680with like, she knows the mistress of the dungeon73900:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,280and I'm like, I'm.74000:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,120So that's actually a very interesting subject.74100:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,320Season one came out.74200:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,960The BDSM community as a whole, I feel like,74300:33:59,960 --> 00:34:01,560hated season one.74400:34:01,560 --> 00:34:02,800Really? Oh, yes.74500:34:02,800 --> 00:34:03,640Why?74600:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,560They were very, very critical74700:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,080in reviewing season one of Bonding.74800:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,160I thought it was cute.74900:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,160Essentially, it got a lot of stuff wrong and it did.75000:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,000For instance, I don't remember her name,75100:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,320the main dominatrix that it follows.75200:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,960She wears a collar in season one.75300:34:27,960 --> 00:34:28,800Right.75400:34:28,800 --> 00:34:29,640And it's like, why?75500:34:29,640 --> 00:34:30,480Why would you wear a collar?75600:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,720Oh yeah, that doesn't, wouldn't make sense75700:34:31,720 --> 00:34:34,840because in the BDSM culture.75800:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,680So that makes sense why they're fixing all the stuff75900:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,400in season two because she actually is this amateur dom.76000:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,240God, okay.76100:34:42,240 --> 00:34:43,360They don't want to disrespect,76200:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,040like if you're going to show the BDSM community76300:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,960in a public light, you should respect like,76400:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,720the way it's being portrayed.76500:34:52,720 --> 00:34:55,840And the directors actually took all the feedback.76600:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,760They actually brought in some real femme doms,76700:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,440kind of got their input.76800:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,960They listened to the feedback.76900:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,560You, like you just said, season two was,77000:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,240they kind of addressed a lot of things.77100:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,120You know, the dominatrix was like,77200:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,120why are you wearing a collar?77300:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,040Are you a sub?77400:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,320The plot, like her having to go to like dominatrix school,77500:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,800all of that stuff.77600:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,240A lot of people felt like they were trying to make fun77700:35:22,240 --> 00:35:24,520of the BDSM community and trying to like,77800:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,320make it into a laughing matter and trying to poke fun at it.77900:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,880Ultimately, I believe it was Netflix that canceled it.78000:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,520So there's not going to be like a season three.78100:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,360It was probably super controversial.78200:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,480I didn't even know that.78300:35:37,720 --> 00:35:39,000I didn't even know that.78400:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,880Disappointed, like I'm learning that there's not going to be78500:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,640a season three here.78600:35:43,640 --> 00:35:44,640What were you saying, Ben?78700:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,520I was just saying that it's probably just78800:35:46,520 --> 00:35:47,960super controversial.78900:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,840Netflix usually just gets rid of it.79000:35:49,840 --> 00:35:50,680Which?79100:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,520Well, they get rid of things that are popular too.79200:35:52,520 --> 00:35:53,360So like, I don't know.79300:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,000Yeah, I don't really get it.79400:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,760But for me, a lot of people in the BDSM community,79500:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,120they, we do get kind of upset about these things.79600:36:03,120 --> 00:36:08,080I'm on the other side of that, I would say.79700:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,160When I see stuff, for instance, like 50 Shades of Grey,79800:36:12,160 --> 00:36:17,000like yes, I 100% agree it got a lot of stuff wrong,79900:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,800but it got it into the mainstream media80000:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,520and got people talking about it.80100:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,520I, for me personally, whenever we see BDSM topics being80200:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,200covered in mainstream media, even if it's wrong,80300:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,800that shows that we are progressing.80400:36:36,800 --> 00:36:37,920At least we're talking about it.80500:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,000Right, and then you can, that's when,80600:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,680that's when like local dungeons should try to educate people.80700:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,880We should try to ramp up education and be like,80800:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,960hey, 50 Shades of Grey got it wrong,80900:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,360come, let's talk about it.81000:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,440If you're interested in this, learn more.81100:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,480And I will say on the flip side of that, predators,81200:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,480like I, I want to start like a jar where we have81300:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,560to put like a dollar every time we bring this person up81400:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,520because I don't want to bring him up.81500:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,880But predators like Army Hammer, they'll like kind of latch81600:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,000on and be like, oh, I can, I can use women,81700:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,200I can abuse women.81800:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,840So I can see, I can see the concern,81900:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,920I can see the other side of it,82000:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,880but this is showing that corporate America is taking note82100:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,000that people are kinky, people are into BDSM,82200:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,160and it's starting to become more mainstream,82300:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,840which should be a good thing.82400:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,600And I believe that the BDSM community should be focused82500:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,800on trying to educate the population on what is correct82600:37:37,800 --> 00:37:38,880and what is not.82700:37:38,880 --> 00:37:39,720Yeah.82800:37:39,720 --> 00:37:42,400Instead of just trying to like shut everything down.82900:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,240Yeah.83000:37:43,240 --> 00:37:44,880Yeah, because it's like you,83100:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,040kind of like 50 shades of gray is just like,83200:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,320you're exposed to all of this stuff83300:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,520and you have no idea what's right or wrong.83400:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,880It's just a toy box full of everything.83500:37:58,880 --> 00:37:59,720Yeah.83600:37:59,720 --> 00:38:00,840And you're like, yeah, this is just BDSM.83700:38:00,840 --> 00:38:01,760This is totally normal.83800:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,760It's like, no, no, there's a lot of actual rules83900:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,360and, you know, consent going on, things that,84000:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,400conversations that actually take place.84100:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,040And a lot of people don't know that.84200:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,400They just go, yeah, I'm into BDSM.84300:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,040Let's tie her up and spank her, you know?84400:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,040And it's like, that's not all it is.84500:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,040Yeah.84600:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,240I like, honestly, when I first heard the term BDSM,84700:38:29,240 --> 00:38:30,920I had no idea what it meant.84800:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,680And I just like, when someone explained to me,84900:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,640I was like, oh, it's just like whips, collars, chans.85000:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,680Okay, cool.85100:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,440But like, there's a whole entire,85200:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,600like there's a history behind it.85300:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,840There is a very in-depth history behind it.85400:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,520It's kind of interesting because it's relatable85500:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,280as far as like when someone's learning about trans people,85600:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,120it's like they have this misconception about trans people,85700:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,760like, and then you tell them, you show them that they're85800:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,400wrong and if they're woke enough to like understand85900:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,800and learn, it kind of changes their perspective completely86000:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,040on the subject.86100:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,840I imagine it's along the same lines of, you know, BDSM.86200:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,320On a very base value.86300:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,240Yeah, BDSM might be like the new, oh, the new taboo topic.86400:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,240Oh yeah, that sounds exciting.86500:39:17,240 --> 00:39:18,720I'm into BDSM, yeah.86600:39:18,720 --> 00:39:22,160And just like trans women, right?86700:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,640So, okay, that's taboo.86800:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,360Oh yeah, I wanna explore that.86900:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,480I'm into, yeah, I'm into trans women.87000:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,920It's like, I feel like there's, for both of us,87100:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,160there's groups that are only into it87200:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,720because it's a taboo in society.87300:39:36,720 --> 00:39:37,560Oh yes.87400:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,960And then there's people that are just like,87500:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,640yeah, this is who I am.87600:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,080There's an entire group of people that might have been87700:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,400into it just because of how taboo it was, so.87800:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,120They're becoming easier to identify as we get older.87900:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,800You know, we're like, oh, red flag, red flag,88000:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,240okay, that's, yeah, stay away from that one.88100:39:59,240 --> 00:40:00,080Yeah.88200:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,560But yeah, it's something we have to learn.88300:40:05,720 --> 00:40:08,080So going back to Fendome, we kinda got a little88400:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,160off subject there.88500:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,240Do you guys have any sort of experience with Fendomes88600:40:13,240 --> 00:40:15,240or PayPigs or anything?88700:40:15,240 --> 00:40:17,520Ooh, actually, quite a bit.88800:40:17,520 --> 00:40:18,360Really?88900:40:18,360 --> 00:40:23,360I had a roommate for a while, I'm not gonna say who.89000:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,480I had a roommate who was kinda like how you said89100:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,480with the person in bonding.89200:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,840Like she was an amateur, really hadn't had her feet wet89300:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,840doing that sort of stuff.89400:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,840And she was experimenting with Fendome,89500:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,560found a PayPig, as you call it.89600:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,640I don't, probably a person that also has no idea89700:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,800what they're doing as well.89800:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,800She was having this person send so many,89900:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,200I've never received as much mail on my doorstep90000:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,920as when she lived with us.90100:41:03,920 --> 00:41:04,760Really?90200:41:04,760 --> 00:41:05,580Lots of mail.90300:41:05,580 --> 00:41:09,240Lots of mail, which I was like okay.90400:41:09,240 --> 00:41:11,080Yeah, and at first I'm like okay, yeah,90500:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,480this is kinda similar to when I started,90600:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,080I was getting a lot of gifts and stuff too.90700:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,680So I didn't really think much of it.90800:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,880And then she's like yeah, I have a fan coming over.90900:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,000And I'm like okay, well I'm not excited about that,91000:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,000but okay, as long as you've vetted them.91100:41:31,000 --> 00:41:36,000And she's been doing sex work for a while,91200:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,000so I'm like okay, clearly she's got a vetting process.91300:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,000I'm not gonna, sure, let's have this person over.91400:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000And then I met this person.91500:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,000And they had been spending so much money91600:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,000and resources on her.91700:41:53,000 --> 00:41:58,000He was spending most of his income91800:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,000sending her things that were important to him.91900:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,000Sending things like, not like heirlooms,92000:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,000but things that he'd been collecting through his life92100:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,000that he was really passionate about92200:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,000and just giving them to her.92300:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,000And.92400:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,000Can I ask you a quick question?92500:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,000Sure.92600:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,000Do you think he thought he was in a relationship with her?92700:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,000That's what I was about to say.92800:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,000And that, that's a line.92900:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,000That's a clear line.93000:42:29,000 --> 00:42:34,000So this guy was under the assumption,93100:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,000because they'd come over multiple times.93200:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,000And she would ignore him when he was there.93300:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,000So we had a conversation with him93400:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,000and he was kind of under the impression,93500:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,000yeah, we're gonna go out and do this.93600:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,000And she was taking him to the spa.93700:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,000We're gonna go out and do this.93800:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,000And she was taking him to the strip club93900:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,000where he was spending more money on her.94000:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,000Yeah, it's unfortunate.94100:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,000Yeah, that's, no.94200:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,000That's the line you gotta cross.94300:43:05,000 --> 00:43:11,000Like I've, from someone that actually has the experience94400:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,000of a good Fendom relationship.94500:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,000And I wouldn't consider it like Fendom,94600:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,000because the person that provides me with money94700:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,000is taking care of me.94800:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,000But that's also kind of Fendom as well.94900:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,000Because they're into spending money95000:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,000to take care of a certain other person,95100:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,000as far as helping pay bills.95200:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,000But just to know that someone is pretending to be95300:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,000in a relationship with another person95400:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,000to just get money from them, it's not good.95500:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,000You have to establish with that person,95600:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,000like, hey, this is purely a transactional thing.95700:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,000I'm here to help you with your kinks95800:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,000and the things that you would like to95900:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,000just discover about yourself or play around with.96000:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,000I'm here for that, and I'll show you,96100:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,000and I'll tell you my boundaries96200:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,000and the things that I'm comfortable with on that.96300:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,000And you tell me what you're comfortable with96400:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,000as far as what kind of allowance are you allowing me?96500:44:11,000 --> 00:44:18,000What kind of financial income that is,96600:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,000what is it, the word I'm looking for, disposable?96700:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,000What kind of disposable income do you have for this, realistically?96800:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,000And then when your relationship goes on96900:44:29,000 --> 00:44:35,000and you're extracting money from your pay piggy, as they say,97000:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,000you have to make sure, keep checking in with them,97100:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,000make sure that's not rent money that they're using.97200:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,000You know, this is a relationship with a person still,97300:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,000even though it's based financially,97400:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,000it's still a person, and you still have to respect that person,97500:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,000which everyone should deserve respect,97600:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,000even if they're pay-picking.97700:44:57,000 --> 00:45:02,000To me, it's the same thing as if you're doing impact play,97800:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,000which would be whipping or caning or something like that.97900:45:06,000 --> 00:45:12,000You establish a safe word,98000:45:12,000 --> 00:45:18,000but a good dom is going to assess the situation.98100:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,000They're going to kind of monitor how red they're getting.98200:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,000They're going to monitor how they're feeling,98300:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,000because you will have a submissive who will just try to grit and bear it.98400:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,000It will never say their safe word,98500:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,000and then it becomes up to the dom of like, okay, we've had enough.98600:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,000I know your limit. I've built a relationship with you.98700:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,000I'm going to stop now.98800:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,000And that's the thing that concerns me with a lot of Fendoms out there.98900:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,000They don't do that. They do not check in,99000:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,000and they just take and take and take.99100:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,000Money, money, money, money, money, money.99200:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,000So, obviously, that didn't sit well with us.99300:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,000We had a huge discussion with her about it.99400:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,000She didn't like what we had to say,99500:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,000and we inevitably had to part ways.99600:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,000Left so much of his things with us.99700:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,000So she didn't even care.99800:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,000She didn't even care about those things.99900:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,000So we reached out to him. We got his information.100000:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,000We sent a lot of the stuff back.100100:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,000Unfortunately, that money's gone, you know.100200:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,000But probably a new target out there somewhere.100300:46:28,000 --> 00:46:33,000Yeah. Sucks, but I mean, that's the world we live in.100400:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,000Yeah. And again, I'm not trying to kink shame anyone.100500:46:37,000 --> 00:46:45,000I do believe if you find the right Fendom and you do it safely,100600:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,000I do believe that you can have the relationship100700:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,000that you're looking for with the right person.100800:46:52,000 --> 00:46:57,000And again, if we got it wrong at all in today's episode,100900:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,000if there's any sort of like, oh, if you're a financial submissive101000:47:01,000 --> 00:47:06,000or a pay piggy and you want to kind of like reach out to us,101100:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,000I would say probably reach out to us on Twitter and just say like,101200:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,000hey, you know, I don't feel like you got that right.101300:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,000I feel like you said that wrong.101400:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,000Because again, this is something that I'm personally not into.101500:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,000It's coming from my perspective.101600:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,000And at the end of the day, we are trying to learn about the subject.101700:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,000So, yeah, if we if we got it wrong at all, feel free.101800:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,000Send me a message on Twitter.101900:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,000I don't even think this is really like it's not even really a kink shame here.102000:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,000That's that's because it's a part of it. Consent is a part of this.102100:47:38,000 --> 00:47:43,000Yeah, that's that's that's just human decency shaming at that point.102200:47:43,000 --> 00:47:49,000You know, like it's OK to stretch those limits.102300:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,000Yeah. If they're OK with that. Yeah.102400:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,000You know, that's that's that's the Dom's responsibility to know that.102500:47:56,000 --> 00:48:01,000Yeah. I mean, again, a dom will sometimes try to push your limits.102600:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,000But part of their job is to make sure that they're not going to push you to a breaking point.102700:48:06,000 --> 00:48:11,000And if they do. Right. So you have aftercare.102800:48:11,000 --> 00:48:17,000You take care of that person. You make sure that they are OK after a scene.102900:48:17,000 --> 00:48:22,000With thin dom, I'm worried that a lot of people are just there.103000:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,000They're getting kind of all their money taken and then it's OK.103100:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,000Well, don't talk to me until you have more money. There is no aftercare.103200:48:29,000 --> 00:48:43,000There is no are you OK? You know, it's yeah, I would definitely like if I'm in a position where I'm receiving a ridiculous amount of money from someone.103300:48:43,000 --> 00:48:52,000I always want to check in and be like, hey, you know, this isn't like this isn't all your money that you're giving me.103400:48:52,000 --> 00:49:00,000Like this is disposable income. Correct. You can afford this lifestyle because you don't want to you.103500:49:00,000 --> 00:49:06,000Like he says, you just don't want to be hurting someone because some people don't won't won't put that limit on themselves.103600:49:06,000 --> 00:49:14,000And I'll be like, I'll just give all my money to this girl. But that's not healthy on their part. And it's not healthy on your part to take it all.103700:49:14,000 --> 00:49:27,000Yeah. But yeah, I think there's definitely consent that can be talked about between a thin dom and a pay piggy.103800:49:27,000 --> 00:49:33,000I think there and I think with professional thin doms that that is something that is discussed.103900:49:33,000 --> 00:49:38,000It's probably discussed more as an allowance. That's how I discuss it. Yeah.104000:49:38,000 --> 00:49:47,000And that's that's kind of how I discuss it. It's just like, what is my what is my allowance that you know, you're comfortable in giving me?104100:49:47,000 --> 00:49:53,000Yeah. Thin dom. Yeah.104200:49:53,000 --> 00:50:07,000Some of some of these girls take it for granted. I think like they feel entitled to this money. They're like, yeah, of course, I I should get more and they'll press that that limit with them.104300:50:07,000 --> 00:50:13,000You know, I kind of also view it as probably the same thing with the adult industry.104400:50:13,000 --> 00:50:19,000People view it as like, oh, it's a quick way to make money. Quick, easy way. I just hop online.104500:50:19,000 --> 00:50:29,000Oh, I just have to take my clothes off on camp. Quick, easy. And when they see that success, that really quick success in this thing that they know little to know about, they feel entitled in that role.104600:50:29,000 --> 00:50:38,000Yeah. And then they just take that as this is how it is. Yeah. And they will share that and they will share it with their friends. This is how it is.104700:50:38,000 --> 00:50:44,000And it's like, no, you're just being successful at being bad at it.104800:50:44,000 --> 00:50:54,000Yeah. Okay. Thin dom. Thin dom. Thin dom. Thin dom. Where did the kink jar? Where did the today?104900:50:54,000 --> 00:51:04,000Okay. Hopefully, hopefully the terms are get a little more uplifting, I guess. But it was I think I think it was a good discussion topic. Yeah.105000:51:04,000 --> 00:51:18,000I think I learned some things here. Like, obviously, I participated in it, but I think we all learned a couple of things here. So is that kind of what we're talking about today is just a couple of few things, right?105100:51:18,000 --> 00:51:29,000All right. You go on. End it. Let's end it. Thanks for joining us on Unnatural Sum. It's your girl, Jenny Banks. Signing off. Stay kinky.105200:51:29,000 --> 00:51:43,000Thanks for stopping by.