Episode 2: TEA Time

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,160 Disclaimer, this podcast features explicit language 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,180 and discussion sexual in nature. 3 00:00:06,180 --> 00:00:08,800 It may contain subjects uncomfortable to some. 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,160 Please understand the opinions shared on this podcast 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,640 are not a representation of any organization 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,920 or employer the hosts may be a part of. 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,480 We're gonna be going over a couple of sexy subjects today. 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,400 What's on our list, Jay? 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,160 Some juicy stuff. 10 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:28,760 Yeah, let's just jump right into it. 11 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:33,320 So I know that you actually took a little field trip 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:34,160 down south. 13 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,240 I did, I did. 14 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,520 I went to the Tees, the Trans Erotica Awards. 15 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:41,440 The Tees. 16 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,040 In Hollywood, California, yeah. 17 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,240 Yeah, she went without me. 18 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,760 I unfortunately had to make this trip, 19 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,960 well not by myself, but Jenny couldn't come. 20 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,280 She got sick literally like a few days as well. 21 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,680 Like I'm packing bags and she's like, I don't know, 22 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,600 I don't think I can make it this time. 23 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,120 So. 24 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,700 It was unfortunate, but I'll be, 25 00:01:03,700 --> 00:01:06,340 I'll definitely be coming to next year's 26 00:01:06,340 --> 00:01:09,320 and I definitely had to not go 27 00:01:09,320 --> 00:01:12,160 because I wasn't feeling good. 28 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,240 It would have just been a, 29 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,180 I would have been a hindrance on the trip, you know. 30 00:01:16,180 --> 00:01:17,020 We missed you. 31 00:01:17,020 --> 00:01:18,200 We definitely missed you. 32 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:19,880 There was a lot of times I was like, damn, 33 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,380 you know what would have made this a lot better? 34 00:01:23,340 --> 00:01:24,920 My woman. 35 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,000 Oh. Yeah. 36 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,720 But who did you go down with? 37 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,680 My friend, little Sib. 38 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,240 She drove down from Canada, scooped me up. 39 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:41,240 We went down to Oregon, picked up our friend, Aaron Everly 40 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:46,240 and then we just started making our way down. 41 00:01:46,380 --> 00:01:49,000 California, it took us like a whole day. 42 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,600 It took us like 24 hours to get down there. 43 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,360 24 hours, wow. 44 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:53,480 Yeah. 45 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,840 We took an electric car 46 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,760 so we were driving and making like pit stops 47 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,160 and charging the car, taking our little potty breaks, 48 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,900 sipping on coffee, enjoying the sights on the way down. 49 00:02:06,900 --> 00:02:09,360 So many pretty mountains we had to drive through. 50 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,360 I actually had to drive through the snow. 51 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:13,200 Wow. 52 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,780 There were point times where I was in the snow, 53 00:02:16,780 --> 00:02:19,320 which is very contrasting to when we got there, 54 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,160 we immediately took a shower and then went to the beach. 55 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,000 So. 56 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,720 Yeah, that's like so crazy to me. 57 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,260 All of us coming from Florida, 58 00:02:28,260 --> 00:02:29,880 like right now it's spring break, 59 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,840 everyone's in bikinis and flip flops 60 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,280 and board shorts and stuff like that. 61 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,040 And it's, you know, up here in Seattle, 62 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,840 we're thirties, forties. 63 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:37,660 Yeah. 64 00:02:37,660 --> 00:02:39,600 So wearing like big poofy jackets and stuff 65 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,240 and there's flurries outside every now and then. 66 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:43,820 Yeah, we saw a few people on the beach. 67 00:02:43,820 --> 00:02:46,280 I don't know if everyone in California 68 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,120 is ready for beach season yet 69 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,600 because there's a lot of people not out there. 70 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,800 But you know, we've been trapped in Washington 71 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:54,720 for this whole time. 72 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,800 So it was like, wow, it's in the sixties. 73 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:58,640 Let's go. 74 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:00,560 We were all excited to go to the beach. 75 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:01,400 Yeah. 76 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:02,220 It was fun. 77 00:03:02,220 --> 00:03:03,060 I had a good time. 78 00:03:03,060 --> 00:03:03,900 Sexy sounds warm. 79 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:06,320 So what'd I miss? 80 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:07,160 What'd I miss? 81 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,640 When I was at Tees, was it a beautiful venue? 82 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:10,680 Tell me something. 83 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:11,680 Tell me something good. 84 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:16,680 So the pre-party was hosted at the Bardo. 85 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:20,520 Bardo. 86 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,560 The Bardo, no, not the drink. 87 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,120 It was a venue. 88 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,240 I think it's the historic Avalon 89 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,560 and they have like an upstairs portion of it 90 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,040 called the Bardo. 91 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:36,040 Really, really dark ambient with like, you know, 92 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,280 a lot of sexy ornate decorations everywhere. 93 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,120 Okay. 94 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:42,940 I'm sorry. 95 00:03:42,940 --> 00:03:44,320 I just have to ask. 96 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,680 The Tees, what you're explaining to me, 97 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,540 tea party at all? 98 00:03:49,540 --> 00:03:50,640 There was no tea party. 99 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:51,480 No tea party. 100 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,520 It was definitely a missed opportunity. 101 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,800 There should be definitely some sort of trans girl juice 102 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,280 that they serve, I think, you know. 103 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,480 And you can like dress up in like the fancy, 104 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,360 like British outfits or like, you know, old school. 105 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,120 Oh, no, don't go too far. 106 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,560 Well, come on, come on. 107 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,880 Who doesn't want to get dressed up all fancy 108 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,120 for a tea party and wear those like fancy, 109 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,040 like Victorian style wigs and stuff? 110 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:18,880 Gross. 111 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,520 I think that sounds wonderful. 112 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,000 Victorian wigs? 113 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:22,840 I don't care. 114 00:04:22,840 --> 00:04:27,840 It's for the idea of dressing up and enjoying some tea, 115 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:30,760 like they did back in the day. 116 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:35,000 This is a time where men, a lot of men wore wigs. 117 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:35,920 Yeah, and tights. 118 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:36,760 And tights. 119 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:37,580 Yes. 120 00:04:37,580 --> 00:04:38,420 And heels. 121 00:04:38,420 --> 00:04:39,260 And heels, yeah. 122 00:04:39,260 --> 00:04:40,080 And heels. 123 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,040 And the higher the heel, apparently, 124 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,160 the more elegant they were. 125 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,000 Really? 126 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,140 And more fancy of the guy they were, yeah. 127 00:04:48,140 --> 00:04:49,560 But we'll just. 128 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:50,400 I'm gonna wear the high heels. 129 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,920 I'm more focused on the tees here. 130 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,760 So the venue was nice. 131 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,480 You're talking about the pre-party. 132 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,020 Yeah, there was the pre-party, which was held upstairs, 133 00:05:00,020 --> 00:05:02,580 which it was mostly like a networking event. 134 00:05:02,580 --> 00:05:04,140 Everybody's there hanging out. 135 00:05:04,140 --> 00:05:05,700 They have drinks. 136 00:05:05,700 --> 00:05:08,880 You get to roam around and talk with people 137 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,740 that you've, you know, probably seen on the internet. 138 00:05:12,740 --> 00:05:17,560 I know I was kind of overstimulated a little bit 139 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,600 because I'm walking into a brand new place 140 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,600 I've never been to, and I'm like, oh my God, I know you. 141 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,120 I've seen you on the internet. 142 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,500 Oh my God, I know you. 143 00:05:29,500 --> 00:05:30,880 I've been friends with you for years, 144 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,720 and I'm finally now seeing you in person. 145 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,440 It was wow. 146 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,040 I have to just ask. 147 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,920 Because all of us went to Comic-Con just a few weeks ago. 148 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,260 So when you said overstimulated, 149 00:05:44,260 --> 00:05:47,200 how does that compare to Comic-Con? 150 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,680 Because, you know, we got to meet the actress 151 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,080 I played, Bo-Katan. 152 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,040 That was very overstimulating. 153 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:54,680 And just seeing like the, those of you 154 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,720 that have not been to Comic-Con, 155 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,000 the floors and floors of art and the people 156 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,880 and just mass chaos for four days straight. 157 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,640 So like, how does that compare? 158 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,520 Yeah, I definitely nerd out a little bit more 159 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,680 with, you know, comic book stuff. 160 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:19,680 You know, movies, television, things of that nature. 161 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,760 And we got to meet Katie Sackhoff. 162 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,280 That was super cool. 163 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:28,560 The actress who portrays Bo-Katan and the Mandalorian. 164 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,360 We were definitely fangirling a little bit there 165 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:32,840 while we were in line to meet her. 166 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:33,800 That was cool. 167 00:06:36,020 --> 00:06:37,820 It's a different experience. 168 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,320 I don't want to say Comic-Con isn't sexy, 169 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:43,760 because it definitely is. 170 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:44,760 It definitely can. 171 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,760 It definitely is a sexy event. 172 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,960 It's just a different type of sexy event. 173 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,200 It's more like a, it's sexy, but you know, 174 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:54,680 our parents are here and they're watching, 175 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,160 so you have to behave. 176 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,060 Whereas the T's, the opposite of that. 177 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,040 Lots of interesting bathroom activities 178 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:06,760 going on in the parties. 179 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:07,600 Yeah. 180 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaking of the T's and meeting people, 181 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:10,400 did you meet anyone cool? 182 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,000 Did you meet anyone that you've been a follower of? 183 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,280 And were like, wow, I follow you. 184 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,840 Like, it's finally great to meet you in person. 185 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,960 Or opposite, was there people that met you, 186 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,840 like, oh my God, I've been following you for years. 187 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,000 Fantastic to meet you. 188 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,320 Yeah, I met some people I've been friends with 189 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:31,000 for a long time that I was really excited to finally meet. 190 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,660 You know, I was, oh my God, 191 00:07:32,660 --> 00:07:35,200 we've been talking about hanging out forever 192 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,280 and shooting porn and that stuff. 193 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,080 And I was finally face to face with them. 194 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,080 They're not some person in my computer or in my phone. 195 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,120 I was like, wow, hi, they do exist. 196 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:50,960 Yeah. 197 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,000 You know? 198 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:52,840 Yeah. 199 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,280 That was a good experience. 200 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,600 I got to meet a lot of people that said 201 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,840 that they've known me for years, 202 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,080 which was, you know, it's a different experience 203 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,240 on the other side. 204 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:09,240 Meeting someone excited to meet you, you know? 205 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,360 And you're like, oh my God, yeah, great. 206 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,080 Let's talk about life and stuff. 207 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,440 Hi, nice to meet you. 208 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:17,760 Oh yeah. 209 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,520 And that also brings me, I totally forgot this until now, 210 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,720 but I saw a little clip of you 211 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,320 and they gave you a microphone. 212 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:27,680 They did give me a microphone. 213 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,680 So on stage, they gave her a microphone on stage. 214 00:08:32,680 --> 00:08:34,000 What? 215 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:39,600 So I presented an award to one of the people, 216 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,120 one of the contestant, one of the nominees. 217 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,560 I presented an award to a nominee. 218 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:47,400 Cool. 219 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:48,360 Who, what was it? 220 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:49,200 Like, who was it? 221 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,080 It was the Producer's Choice Award. 222 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:56,080 I presented it to a well-known model, Cora Del Rio. 223 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,480 She wasn't there, but I presented the award. 224 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,240 I presented the hell out of the award. 225 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:09,240 So they gave me a microphone and invited me on stage 226 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,000 and I got to present the award. 227 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,080 Unfortunately, she wasn't there. 228 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,280 Happens. 229 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,600 Everybody's out there trying to make porn. 230 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,280 I mean, it could be worse. 231 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,800 Somebody could have came on stage 232 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,200 and smacked you or something. 233 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,440 That wouldn't have been that bad. 234 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,200 Honestly, for that type of event, it's actually- 235 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:32,600 I'm actually rock about that. 236 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:37,240 For the type of an event it was, 237 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,840 the fact that it didn't happen, kind of disappointing. 238 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:41,720 But- 239 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,400 Oh yeah, maybe that would have been like, 240 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,720 it turned into like a content, like a scene. 241 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:48,560 But yeah. 242 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:50,520 You've been naughty, you gave the award to, 243 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:51,360 I'm sorry. 244 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,880 Sorry, my mind is going to like work. 245 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,320 I just imagine the camera guy's like, 246 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,160 wait, what's going on? 247 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,000 What? 248 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,840 Oh, oh, oh, okay. 249 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:00,680 Okay. 250 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:02,600 This is the new type of award show. 251 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:07,080 Yeah, so got to do a lot of cool stuff. 252 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,080 Got to go on stage. 253 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,080 Got to talk to a whole bunch of people, 254 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,880 which was pretty wild for me. 255 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,680 I've never been on stage before. 256 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:15,880 We got to do a red carpet event. 257 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:20,160 We were all interviewed by a well-known person 258 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,160 in our community, T.S. Foxy. 259 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:28,680 I got to talk to the mistress of ceremonies, 260 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:32,920 Domino Pressley, and oh, wow. 261 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:33,760 Yeah. 262 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:34,760 Amazing dress. 263 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,200 Yeah, I bet she looked gorgeous for it. 264 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,080 And she killed it on stage. 265 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,680 She was like up there telling people to shut up and stuff. 266 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:43,160 They were being like, you know. 267 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,640 She was being the mistress of ceremonies. 268 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:45,480 She was. 269 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:46,720 And she did an amazing job. 270 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,520 I'm just a little upset. 271 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,800 So what did you wear for the red carpet experience? 272 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,120 I wore a very flashy sequin dress 273 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,080 because I wanted sparkles everywhere. 274 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:00,920 Okay, so nothing that, I don't know, 275 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,680 Jay Wheeler designed or anything? 276 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,160 Maybe next year. 277 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,320 Maybe next year, yeah. 278 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,240 Maybe next year we can bring a whole posse of Jay Wheeler 279 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,600 latex clothing or leather clothing, custom clothing. 280 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:15,440 Yeah. 281 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:16,920 In time, in time, definitely. 282 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:17,760 In time. 283 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,800 We'll definitely start showcasing some of your work 284 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:26,800 in the near futures. 285 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,520 How are you gonna put me on the spot like that, Jay? 286 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:31,720 Sorry, sorry. 287 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,400 It's, for those of you that don't know, 288 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,480 I've been trying to work with Nikki 289 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:44,160 on some kind of fashion clothing stuff 290 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,800 or cosplay and content. 291 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:48,560 Sorry. 292 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:50,320 They've been working diligently. 293 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,160 Yeah. 294 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,200 Diligently as in like, it's gonna take forever. 295 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,760 What kind of things are you talking about, Jay? 296 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,440 I don't know. 297 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,920 What sort of things are we talking about? 298 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:06,960 So for instance, one project that we have been working on 299 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,960 is the, those of you that have watched the anime Cyberpunk, 300 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,440 I am working on a cosplay outfit for Lucy, 301 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,480 which will be made out of some latex, 302 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,000 which I think will be pretty amazing. 303 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,840 But yeah, so that's in the works. 304 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,840 Hopefully you guys will see that a little bit later. 305 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,320 I'm excited to try it on. 306 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,920 Anyways, back to the teas. 307 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,560 The teas that do not serve teas, 308 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:42,640 but you have drinks that are not tea. 309 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,440 Oh yeah, they had plenty of drinks. 310 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,480 Yeah, I mean, so it was a bar. 311 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:49,600 Both events had a bar. 312 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,000 Yeah. 313 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,480 Sounds like overall it was a good time, good experience. 314 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:55,680 I had a great time. 315 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:59,760 I got to meet a lot of people in the industry 316 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:04,760 that I want to work with and make more adult content with 317 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,920 both on and off camera. 318 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,400 Like as in like the producers rolling the camera. 319 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,760 I met people that shoot porn that I want to work with. 320 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,840 I met people that want to be in porn with me 321 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,840 and I'm excited to start, you know, making those plans. 322 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:26,840 It's exciting. 323 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:27,960 Can't wait for next year. 324 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,040 Yeah, definitely. 325 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:29,880 Definitely. 326 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,480 We'll definitely have to go to tomorrow. 327 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,240 We will definitely have to go together next year. 328 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:36,320 We're going tomorrow. 329 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:37,480 Tomorrow. 330 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:38,720 Sorry, English. 331 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:43,720 But yeah, I mean, is there anything else 332 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,040 y'all want to know about my experience? 333 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,240 Oh, this kind of comes into what I wanted to talk about 334 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,760 today, but it's a good question to ask you 335 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,160 because you were going down for a transgender event. 336 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,720 How'd you feel with how a lot of people were being 337 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,960 more public with their hate against us 338 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,240 and also a lot of people were being in big support. 339 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,360 Did you see any of that? 340 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:10,360 Did you see any hate? 341 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,400 Did you see any really big supporters? 342 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:14,480 How'd it feel? 343 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,080 It's actually funny thing that you mentioned that. 344 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,840 That is definitely something in the back 345 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,520 of a lot of our minds. 346 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,200 I was talking with Safir Blue about this 347 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,600 because we were, you know, for a while 348 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,440 we were kind of hesitant, like, should we go? 349 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,800 Like, people are getting shot, you know? 350 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,120 Like, that kind of sounds like a big target, you know, 351 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:44,120 for an event for so many trans people. 352 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,080 And, you know, and I was talking to Steven Grooby, 353 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:54,080 the big Grooby person, you know, the- 354 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:56,240 Head honcho. 355 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,200 The head honcho, making all the things happening down there. 356 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,160 We had mentioned like, 357 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,120 he had asked how we felt as well. 358 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,760 He's like, you know, like, how do y'all feel 359 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,680 as far as like the venue goes, safety wise? 360 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,120 I'm like, yeah, we feel pretty safe here. 361 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:21,040 Like, he said that he had taken extra security measures 362 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,480 this year because of the things going on. 363 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:28,480 He had actually hired more people to just be present. 364 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,480 Security outside, security inside. 365 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,840 And that made me feel a lot better, 366 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,700 knowing that, you know, someone, 367 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,040 someone that's planning on bringing 368 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,160 so many people together, so many targets 369 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,600 in our community for some people, 370 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,440 to actually like put in the extra effort 371 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:57,000 to making sure that we all feel safe in a venue like that. 372 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:02,000 So he definitely said that's something 373 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,560 that he wants to focus on in the future, 374 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,440 make sure we all feel safe, so. 375 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,320 That was kind of one of my big anxieties of going, 376 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,320 before I found out I was gonna be sick. 377 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,480 But while going down there, I was kind of worried that, 378 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,160 you know, it was gonna be an unsafe environment for us 379 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,760 because a lot of people, when there's a lot of laws 380 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,040 being passed and things happening in the political 381 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,500 environment, that like people just express their hate 382 00:16:31,500 --> 00:16:34,160 more publicly and they're more violent towards other people. 383 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,200 I don't know if it's just that or, you know, other reasons, 384 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,840 but kind of what I was going to talk about today 385 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,840 is that, like how we feel about everything 386 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,700 that all these bills are being passed. 387 00:16:48,700 --> 00:16:50,840 We're not gonna discuss them individually right now, 388 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,120 but there's a lot of anti-trans bills being passed 389 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,660 in the country and it's kind of scary thought. 390 00:16:56,660 --> 00:17:00,920 And, you know, we're in an adult industry, 391 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,540 like what we do for work, so we're like a double target. 392 00:17:04,540 --> 00:17:06,960 And sometimes it makes me feel really uncomfortable, 393 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,960 but seeing like the people that are like out there publicly, 394 00:17:13,380 --> 00:17:16,240 for instance, Pedro Pascal has been really public 395 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,720 about his support for transgender rights. 396 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,760 And the gay community as a whole. 397 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,200 And just like seeing people be more public about that 398 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,060 has been like making me feel a little bit better. 399 00:17:27,060 --> 00:17:29,520 Yeah, he has a transgender sister, actually. 400 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,640 And he's like super supportive of her. 401 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,960 Like, yeah, my sister's trans, she's fucking cool. 402 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,540 Steven Grooby saying that he wanted to up security. 403 00:17:38,540 --> 00:17:41,120 Like if I was there, I would have literally given him 404 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:43,780 a hug because that's what I was thinking the entire time 405 00:17:43,780 --> 00:17:44,620 going down there. 406 00:17:44,620 --> 00:17:46,040 I'm pretty sure I did give him a hug. 407 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,200 I think I gave him a hug. 408 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,760 Are they thinking about these things? 409 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,500 Yeah, I gave him multiple hugs, actually. 410 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:54,400 That's good. 411 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:55,340 You gave him one for me then. 412 00:17:55,340 --> 00:17:56,360 Yeah, exactly. 413 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,560 But it's just like, are these people, 414 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,080 are like our supporters thinking about these things? 415 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,380 Like if they're hosting events. 416 00:18:06,380 --> 00:18:11,300 And because there's so many bills being passed, 417 00:18:11,300 --> 00:18:14,280 are trying to take away our rights as humans. 418 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,520 One thing that I just recently watched, 419 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:18,960 it's been out for a few years now, 420 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,080 but I just recently watched it a few days ago, 421 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:26,080 was the documentary for Alexandra Snow. 422 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,480 And something that just kind of like I thought of real quick, 423 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:31,400 she talked in there. 424 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,040 So Alexandra Snow is a very famous dominatrix. 425 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,440 She has a physical dungeon. 426 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:48,440 She trains upcoming BDSM kind of doms, very, very popular, 427 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:51,960 and famous. 428 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,880 In her documentary, she actually talked about briefly, 429 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:02,280 one day for sex workers, the whole dream is one day 430 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,280 you would not have to use a stage name. 431 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,760 I thought that was really interesting. 432 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,400 And I don't wanna get off into a tangent too much, 433 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,000 but something that I really thought was interesting 434 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,000 was her struggle with people not accepting her 435 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,640 for who she was in regards to her version of sex work. 436 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,680 And she kind of talked about like, 437 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:31,400 one day hopefully no sex workers have to use a stage name. 438 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,160 And I wasn't really prepared for that. 439 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,480 Like she's such a strong kind of independent woman. 440 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:43,320 And then she's talking about these struggles of her version. 441 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,280 It's like double for us, 442 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,800 because we're not only sex workers, but we're trans. 443 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,680 Makes it more dangerous, unfortunately. 444 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,920 But one day I do hope for a future where sex work 445 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,000 is looked as normal work, it's a career. 446 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,760 It is, people have sex. 447 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,440 Some people would like to pay money for sex. 448 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:03,600 That's a real thing. 449 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,160 And people just wanna pay to consume, to watch. 450 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:12,160 And if we're at a point where everything was, 451 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,280 where girls had security, 452 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,200 there's checks being held, background checks. 453 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,680 Clients were being checked to make sure they're legitimate. 454 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,160 The money transactions are being legitimized. 455 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,120 There's so much, it would be so much better 456 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:31,840 for both parties. 457 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,600 But it's just, well, we all know why. 458 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,560 We all know why, and it deals with religious things. 459 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:39,400 But. 460 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:40,240 What? 461 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,120 That's not what we're talking about today. 462 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:48,120 We just wanna, I just wanted to say that I can't believe. 463 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,360 I personally cannot believe 464 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:55,280 that I'm seeing all these anti-trans bills. 465 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,640 I really can't believe it, 466 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,920 because when I first started transitioning, 467 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:03,640 there was a lot of anti-trans bills already. 468 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,600 There was no pro-trans right bills. 469 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:08,880 There was barely any. 470 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:09,920 And then we got to a place 471 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,360 where there was a bunch being implemented, 472 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:15,160 and people were getting healthcare covered. 473 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,240 I got my surgeries covered. 474 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:24,000 Things that helped me become a whole woman in my eyes, 475 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,520 I would never have been able to get 476 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,200 unless laws were passed. 477 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,160 And now they wanna take those laws away. 478 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,960 And it's just, it's devastating to me. 479 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,440 But also I kinda, I try to stay on the positive 480 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,520 and look at the people that are, 481 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,080 you know, being supporters of us, 482 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,600 because that's important, I feel like. 483 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,160 There definitely has been a pattern 484 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,560 of three steps forward, two steps back. 485 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,000 It's weird that that's reality that I'm like, 486 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,040 oh, this is how it is. 487 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,480 We get some rights, and then someone else gets into power, 488 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,600 and they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, not in my America. 489 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,720 Let's dial it back a little bit. 490 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:10,560 You know, where we kinda built this place to, 491 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,400 it's, you know, be free and do the things 492 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:14,960 that we wanna do without hurting people. 493 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,880 So we covered this with Danny and Luna. 494 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:26,560 Unfortunately, again, I believe politicians have noticed 495 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,040 that to get votes, they need to get people angry 496 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,440 and wound up, and they're gonna like, 497 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,960 go after anything that they can. 498 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,800 So if it's gonna be- 499 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,320 We're a big target for that. 500 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,880 We're a big talking point. 501 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,800 Anything trans-related, they're like, 502 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,200 oh, we can't have men in the ladies' room. 503 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,800 It's always a fun argument to have for everybody. 504 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,240 Honestly, this whole environment around trans people 505 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,000 and politics and laws and stuff 506 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,840 has made me scared as a trans person, 507 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,440 because I don't, for me personally, 508 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,600 I know some people may argue with me out there. 509 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,440 I don't think I have a very passable voice. 510 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,520 So when I'm out in public, especially nowadays, 511 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,320 I don't really like to talk very loud, 512 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,120 and it makes everything very difficult, 513 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:12,520 especially when I'm talking to her 514 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,080 out in a very loud area, 515 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,400 because I'm talking very quietly, 516 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,760 because I don't want anyone to hear me, 517 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,600 call me out and start hating on me because I'm trans. 518 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,600 And it's been making public life more difficult 519 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,120 because of all of this happening, 520 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:29,040 because it just makes me feel like, 521 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,920 it's socially unacceptable for me to be me. 522 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,880 I will say, it shouldn't fucking matter. 523 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:40,720 It shouldn't. 524 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,240 Your voice should not fucking matter. 525 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,720 It shouldn't. 526 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,800 I totally agree. 527 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,280 But we gotta be realistic with the people out there 528 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,960 that are not willing to accept the fact 529 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,280 that trans people exist. 530 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,080 Or just people ignorant to it in general. 531 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,800 For a lot of people, 532 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,600 we are their first trans experience in any capacity. 533 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,880 Like, wow, I saw a trans person at the grocery store today 534 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,280 for the first time ever. 535 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,840 That happens. 536 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,840 You know, that's also how a lot of people 537 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,920 that are straight and cis, like Jay here, 538 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,240 become supporters because they have a friend, 539 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,000 they meet someone that is trans, 540 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,360 and they realize they're just a normal person. 541 00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:32,160 Like, they're just a normal person. 542 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,240 It's just their gender identity that I don't understand. 543 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,120 And then it takes a really smart person to be like, 544 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:41,840 well, I wanna understand that. 545 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,640 I wanna learn about that. 546 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,320 And I feel like it's a very special moment 547 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,120 when a trans person is able to teach someone 548 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:52,000 that is ignorant to the subject, 549 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000 and it kind of awakens them. 550 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,600 They're like, wow, you're just a person. 551 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,320 A lot of people aren't willing to learn 552 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:03,320 because that requires time and effort on their part. 553 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,240 And why would they be bothered? 554 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:11,240 Yeah, but I would argue that being upset about- 555 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,400 Takes time and effort too. 556 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,280 Yeah, I would find that so exhausting 557 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,120 if I was like, every trans person I saw was like, 558 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:21,760 oh, I'm gonna get mad, I'm gonna try to cause a scene 559 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,080 and try to make them uncomfortable. 560 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,160 That takes time, that takes effort. 561 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,560 That's exhausting to me. 562 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,240 It would be so much easier just to keep your head down 563 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,360 and just move on. 564 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,560 And just be like, oh, okay. 565 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,400 They're just enjoying their life, move on. 566 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,720 Okay, moving on. 567 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:41,680 Yeah. 568 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,240 What else we got to go over? 569 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,080 Oh, Jay, you had something special for us today, didn't you? 570 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:46,920 Yes. 571 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,720 So, first of all, I do wanna say I have never participated 572 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,280 in financial dominatrix, so like a Fendon. 573 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,560 It is something that is kind of a hot topic 574 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,480 in the BDSM kind of world realm, if you will. 575 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,400 A lot of us talk about how it's kind of frowned upon. 576 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,400 It gives our community kind of a bad name 577 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:19,400 because a lot of times, and in a typical BDSM relationship, 578 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,880 you build trust. 579 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,960 There's a lot of trust going on. 580 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,840 Even if you go see a pro dom, 581 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,840 typically your first interaction, 582 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,440 they wanna talk to you, sit down, meet you, 583 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:32,720 see what your expectations are, 584 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,480 see if you're a good fit. 585 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,800 Fendon, on the other hand, from my knowledge of it, 586 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,800 it's a lot of times on Twitter or on an online platform, 587 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,680 and it's kind of like a business. 588 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,680 I just wanna crank out, I'm gonna use you, 589 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,480 I'm gonna extort you, I'm going to kind of bully you 590 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,480 into paying however much I want you to pay, 591 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,080 and then I'm gonna move on. 592 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,880 When you run out of money, I'm gonna move on, 593 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,160 which, yeah, like a pro dom, you do pay for a session. 594 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,200 However, one thing that, when I first heard about this, 595 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,880 one thing that I actually worried about 596 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,680 was people being taken advantage of. 597 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:26,520 So. 598 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,480 Isn't that like the idea of it, though? 599 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,000 Yes. 600 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:31,960 Yes and no? 601 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:32,800 Right. 602 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,840 I can see the bad sides of it 603 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,520 because people could actually be 604 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,240 really taking advantage of someone, 605 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,840 but I feel like there's a lot of pay pickies 606 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,720 that would really enjoy being like, 607 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,520 oh yeah, just extract all my money, here's my credit card. 608 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,600 I don't think it's like that. 609 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,000 I think it starts very innocently. 610 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,280 I think a lot of times maybe you have a dom 611 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:07,280 that's not at the level that they should be at. 612 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,720 They're in it for the wrong reasons. 613 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,880 They didn't go through any sort of training process. 614 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,880 So for instance, there would be, 615 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,240 if you two woke up one day and was like, 616 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,360 I wanna be a fen dom, you could just hop on Twitter, 617 00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:26,720 start posting content, find you some pay pigs, 618 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,160 and use them until they ran out of money 619 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,200 and then moved on to the next one. 620 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,040 There's not really a necessarily a vetting process. 621 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,920 And that's, again, like BDSM, it's all about consent 622 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,360 and setting boundaries and limits. 623 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:49,360 So for me, personally, if you were going to do it, 624 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,520 and I don't mean to kink shame anyone out there, 625 00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,320 by no means we're all into different things. 626 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,240 So I kinda like wanna give some guidelines 627 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,200 on how to do this. 628 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,360 If you are going to do it, 629 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,720 how to do it properly and safely, I guess. 630 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,120 So like the approach that I would take is 631 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,120 look at your expenses, look at your income, 632 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,240 and then set an amount that you're willing to spend. 633 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,280 So if you have $100 disposable income 634 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:30,000 every month, only spend $100. 635 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,640 I feel like a lot of times with fen doms, 636 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,040 they're going to take that 100 637 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,200 and try to take more and more and more, 638 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,360 and that's going to cause you a financial burden, which. 639 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,400 This is from the side of the pay pig. 640 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,800 Yes. Pay pig. 641 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:45,800 Yes. Gotcha. 642 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,480 So only spend your disposable income. 643 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,080 Once you run out, that's it. 644 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,560 And I would clearly define that with the fen dom. 645 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,760 Yeah. 646 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,480 I feel like if they were constantly like hounding you 647 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,440 and wanting you to pay more and more, 648 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,320 and even after you set that clear boundary, 649 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,360 you might wanna move on. 650 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,360 Red flag. Red flag, yeah. 651 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:15,040 And then also I would say research the people before. 652 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,200 So if you're on Twitter and you're looking at fen doms, 653 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,800 I would search for their user handle, 654 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,240 see what people are saying about them. 655 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,600 Are there people that are upset on Twitter saying, 656 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,200 oh, they're blackmailing me and I didn't consent to that, 657 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,320 or they took everything and I can't pay rent 658 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,520 or something like that. 659 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:38,600 So I look for that. 660 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:39,640 And then I would also, 661 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,840 something to be aware of is catfishing. 662 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,320 Catfishing. Yeah. 663 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,560 Again, more catfishing. 664 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,040 Something that I saw when I started kind of like, 665 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,840 when I first researched this is that on Twitter specifically, 666 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,000 there's like catfish fen dom accounts. 667 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,320 So they'll actually say like upfront, like I- 668 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,160 It's a mouthful. 669 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,400 I am a catfish fen dom. 670 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,240 And it could be anyone. 671 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,600 It could be me. 672 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,400 I could be on Twitter as a catfish fen dom 673 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,600 and I'll post pictures without consent 674 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,560 of someone like Bell Delphine. 675 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,960 Like I'll just take her photos, take her content. 676 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,640 Well, that's just wrong in itself. 677 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,480 Oh yeah. 678 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:21,320 And then- 679 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,920 Because they're stealing other people's content. 680 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,880 And I'll post it, pretend to be her. 681 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,960 Obviously though, like in my Twitter bio, 682 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,960 I'll say like, I'm not Bell Delphine. 683 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,840 I think people kind of think 684 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,200 that like waves responsibility somehow. 685 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,320 That's interesting though, 686 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,840 because usually when there's like things like that, 687 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,080 like you said, catfish fen dom, people are into that. 688 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,480 So like that is, 689 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,160 I guess I just don't understand like how someone 690 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,560 would want to be financially dominated 691 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,960 by someone that they obviously know is not them. 692 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,800 It's probably cheaper. 693 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,640 Yes. 694 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:58,640 I would imagine because they're like, 695 00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,960 oh, well this is the- 696 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:00,960 Still wrong though. 697 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,480 This is the name brand. 698 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,760 Okay, now we have the generic brand, the catfish person. 699 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,840 Like, yeah, it's their likeness, 700 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,840 but they're also like not paying that model that they're- 701 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:13,840 Yeah, that's why it's wrong. 702 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:14,760 That they're portraying. 703 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,120 They don't have consent to be sharing their images 704 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,640 and they probably went on their OnlyFans, 705 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,400 downloaded all these images to sell them on their behalf 706 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,040 for them for their own profit, you know? 707 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:26,960 That's what they do. 708 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,440 We probably have people 709 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,720 that made catfish fen dom accounts of us. 710 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:31,560 Oh my God. 711 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,080 Do you know how many times I get message being like, 712 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,520 are you down there in California? 713 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,360 Are you here? 714 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,600 Yeah, you have an account down there asking me for gas money. 715 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,080 I'm like, well, that's not me. 716 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,840 I- Yeah, it's unfortunate. 717 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,840 I don't need your gas money, I'm sorry. 718 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,640 And just to like play the devil's advocate here, 719 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,880 on the other side of it, 720 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,880 fen dom could be positive in the way of 721 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,760 if you are not dealing with a catfish, 722 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,560 if you are truly dealing with a fen dom 723 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,500 who is listening and respecting your limits. 724 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,040 The only thing I can think of is maybe you live somewhere 725 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,960 where you don't have any local dungeons, 726 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,720 you don't have a way to interact with people. 727 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,080 So, you know, some places in like this, 728 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,400 in the South, in the country where it's like, okay, well, 729 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,320 it's either like drive six hours to go to a local dungeon 730 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,320 or I can like kind of play online. 731 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,920 Kind of reminds me of that TV show, Bonding. 732 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,280 Oh, yes. Did you watch that? 733 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,600 Yes. 734 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,640 That's a good show. 735 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,160 I like the scene where they're, you know, 736 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,760 she takes the guy shopping, uses his wallet, 737 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,840 and then there's this like whole convoluted plot 738 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,680 with like, she knows the mistress of the dungeon 739 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,280 and I'm like, I'm. 740 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,120 So that's actually a very interesting subject. 741 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,320 Season one came out. 742 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,960 The BDSM community as a whole, I feel like, 743 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:01,560 hated season one. 744 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:02,800 Really? Oh, yes. 745 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:03,640 Why? 746 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,560 They were very, very critical 747 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,080 in reviewing season one of Bonding. 748 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,160 I thought it was cute. 749 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,160 Essentially, it got a lot of stuff wrong and it did. 750 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,000 For instance, I don't remember her name, 751 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,320 the main dominatrix that it follows. 752 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,960 She wears a collar in season one. 753 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:28,800 Right. 754 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:29,640 And it's like, why? 755 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:30,480 Why would you wear a collar? 756 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,720 Oh yeah, that doesn't, wouldn't make sense 757 00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:34,840 because in the BDSM culture. 758 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,680 So that makes sense why they're fixing all the stuff 759 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,400 in season two because she actually is this amateur dom. 760 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,240 God, okay. 761 00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:43,360 They don't want to disrespect, 762 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,040 like if you're going to show the BDSM community 763 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,960 in a public light, you should respect like, 764 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,720 the way it's being portrayed. 765 00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:55,840 And the directors actually took all the feedback. 766 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,760 They actually brought in some real femme doms, 767 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,440 kind of got their input. 768 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,960 They listened to the feedback. 769 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,560 You, like you just said, season two was, 770 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,240 they kind of addressed a lot of things. 771 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,120 You know, the dominatrix was like, 772 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,120 why are you wearing a collar? 773 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,040 Are you a sub? 774 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,320 The plot, like her having to go to like dominatrix school, 775 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,800 all of that stuff. 776 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,240 A lot of people felt like they were trying to make fun 777 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:24,520 of the BDSM community and trying to like, 778 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,320 make it into a laughing matter and trying to poke fun at it. 779 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,880 Ultimately, I believe it was Netflix that canceled it. 780 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,520 So there's not going to be like a season three. 781 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,360 It was probably super controversial. 782 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,480 I didn't even know that. 783 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:39,000 I didn't even know that. 784 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,880 Disappointed, like I'm learning that there's not going to be 785 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,640 a season three here. 786 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:44,640 What were you saying, Ben? 787 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,520 I was just saying that it's probably just 788 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:47,960 super controversial. 789 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,840 Netflix usually just gets rid of it. 790 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:50,680 Which? 791 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,520 Well, they get rid of things that are popular too. 792 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:53,360 So like, I don't know. 793 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,000 Yeah, I don't really get it. 794 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,760 But for me, a lot of people in the BDSM community, 795 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,120 they, we do get kind of upset about these things. 796 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:08,080 I'm on the other side of that, I would say. 797 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,160 When I see stuff, for instance, like 50 Shades of Grey, 798 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:17,000 like yes, I 100% agree it got a lot of stuff wrong, 799 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,800 but it got it into the mainstream media 800 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,520 and got people talking about it. 801 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,520 I, for me personally, whenever we see BDSM topics being 802 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,200 covered in mainstream media, even if it's wrong, 803 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,800 that shows that we are progressing. 804 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:37,920 At least we're talking about it. 805 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,000 Right, and then you can, that's when, 806 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,680 that's when like local dungeons should try to educate people. 807 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,880 We should try to ramp up education and be like, 808 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,960 hey, 50 Shades of Grey got it wrong, 809 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,360 come, let's talk about it. 810 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,440 If you're interested in this, learn more. 811 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,480 And I will say on the flip side of that, predators, 812 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,480 like I, I want to start like a jar where we have 813 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,560 to put like a dollar every time we bring this person up 814 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,520 because I don't want to bring him up. 815 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,880 But predators like Army Hammer, they'll like kind of latch 816 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,000 on and be like, oh, I can, I can use women, 817 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,200 I can abuse women. 818 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,840 So I can see, I can see the concern, 819 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,920 I can see the other side of it, 820 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,880 but this is showing that corporate America is taking note 821 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,000 that people are kinky, people are into BDSM, 822 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,160 and it's starting to become more mainstream, 823 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,840 which should be a good thing. 824 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,600 And I believe that the BDSM community should be focused 825 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,800 on trying to educate the population on what is correct 826 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:38,880 and what is not. 827 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:39,720 Yeah. 828 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:42,400 Instead of just trying to like shut everything down. 829 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,240 Yeah. 830 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:44,880 Yeah, because it's like you, 831 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,040 kind of like 50 shades of gray is just like, 832 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,320 you're exposed to all of this stuff 833 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,520 and you have no idea what's right or wrong. 834 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,880 It's just a toy box full of everything. 835 00:37:58,880 --> 00:37:59,720 Yeah. 836 00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:00,840 And you're like, yeah, this is just BDSM. 837 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:01,760 This is totally normal. 838 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,760 It's like, no, no, there's a lot of actual rules 839 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,360 and, you know, consent going on, things that, 840 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,400 conversations that actually take place. 841 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,040 And a lot of people don't know that. 842 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,400 They just go, yeah, I'm into BDSM. 843 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,040 Let's tie her up and spank her, you know? 844 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,040 And it's like, that's not all it is. 845 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,040 Yeah. 846 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,240 I like, honestly, when I first heard the term BDSM, 847 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:30,920 I had no idea what it meant. 848 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,680 And I just like, when someone explained to me, 849 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,640 I was like, oh, it's just like whips, collars, chans. 850 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,680 Okay, cool. 851 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,440 But like, there's a whole entire, 852 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,600 like there's a history behind it. 853 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,840 There is a very in-depth history behind it. 854 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,520 It's kind of interesting because it's relatable 855 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,280 as far as like when someone's learning about trans people, 856 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,120 it's like they have this misconception about trans people, 857 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,760 like, and then you tell them, you show them that they're 858 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,400 wrong and if they're woke enough to like understand 859 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,800 and learn, it kind of changes their perspective completely 860 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,040 on the subject. 861 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,840 I imagine it's along the same lines of, you know, BDSM. 862 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,320 On a very base value. 863 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,240 Yeah, BDSM might be like the new, oh, the new taboo topic. 864 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,240 Oh yeah, that sounds exciting. 865 00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:18,720 I'm into BDSM, yeah. 866 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:22,160 And just like trans women, right? 867 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,640 So, okay, that's taboo. 868 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,360 Oh yeah, I wanna explore that. 869 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,480 I'm into, yeah, I'm into trans women. 870 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,920 It's like, I feel like there's, for both of us, 871 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,160 there's groups that are only into it 872 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,720 because it's a taboo in society. 873 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:37,560 Oh yes. 874 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,960 And then there's people that are just like, 875 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,640 yeah, this is who I am. 876 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,080 There's an entire group of people that might have been 877 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,400 into it just because of how taboo it was, so. 878 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,120 They're becoming easier to identify as we get older. 879 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,800 You know, we're like, oh, red flag, red flag, 880 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,240 okay, that's, yeah, stay away from that one. 881 00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:00,080 Yeah. 882 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,560 But yeah, it's something we have to learn. 883 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:08,080 So going back to Fendome, we kinda got a little 884 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,160 off subject there. 885 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,240 Do you guys have any sort of experience with Fendomes 886 00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:15,240 or PayPigs or anything? 887 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:17,520 Ooh, actually, quite a bit. 888 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:18,360 Really? 889 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:23,360 I had a roommate for a while, I'm not gonna say who. 890 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,480 I had a roommate who was kinda like how you said 891 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,480 with the person in bonding. 892 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,840 Like she was an amateur, really hadn't had her feet wet 893 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,840 doing that sort of stuff. 894 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,840 And she was experimenting with Fendome, 895 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,560 found a PayPig, as you call it. 896 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,640 I don't, probably a person that also has no idea 897 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,800 what they're doing as well. 898 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,800 She was having this person send so many, 899 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,200 I've never received as much mail on my doorstep 900 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,920 as when she lived with us. 901 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:04,760 Really? 902 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:05,580 Lots of mail. 903 00:41:05,580 --> 00:41:09,240 Lots of mail, which I was like okay. 904 00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:11,080 Yeah, and at first I'm like okay, yeah, 905 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,480 this is kinda similar to when I started, 906 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,080 I was getting a lot of gifts and stuff too. 907 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,680 So I didn't really think much of it. 908 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,880 And then she's like yeah, I have a fan coming over. 909 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,000 And I'm like okay, well I'm not excited about that, 910 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,000 but okay, as long as you've vetted them. 911 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:36,000 And she's been doing sex work for a while, 912 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,000 so I'm like okay, clearly she's got a vetting process. 913 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,000 I'm not gonna, sure, let's have this person over. 914 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000 And then I met this person. 915 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,000 And they had been spending so much money 916 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,000 and resources on her. 917 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:58,000 He was spending most of his income 918 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,000 sending her things that were important to him. 919 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,000 Sending things like, not like heirlooms, 920 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,000 but things that he'd been collecting through his life 921 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,000 that he was really passionate about 922 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,000 and just giving them to her. 923 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,000 And. 924 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,000 Can I ask you a quick question? 925 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,000 Sure. 926 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,000 Do you think he thought he was in a relationship with her? 927 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,000 That's what I was about to say. 928 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,000 And that, that's a line. 929 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,000 That's a clear line. 930 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:34,000 So this guy was under the assumption, 931 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,000 because they'd come over multiple times. 932 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,000 And she would ignore him when he was there. 933 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,000 So we had a conversation with him 934 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,000 and he was kind of under the impression, 935 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,000 yeah, we're gonna go out and do this. 936 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,000 And she was taking him to the spa. 937 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,000 We're gonna go out and do this. 938 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,000 And she was taking him to the strip club 939 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,000 where he was spending more money on her. 940 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,000 Yeah, it's unfortunate. 941 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,000 Yeah, that's, no. 942 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,000 That's the line you gotta cross. 943 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:11,000 Like I've, from someone that actually has the experience 944 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,000 of a good Fendom relationship. 945 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,000 And I wouldn't consider it like Fendom, 946 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,000 because the person that provides me with money 947 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,000 is taking care of me. 948 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,000 But that's also kind of Fendom as well. 949 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,000 Because they're into spending money 950 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,000 to take care of a certain other person, 951 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,000 as far as helping pay bills. 952 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,000 But just to know that someone is pretending to be 953 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,000 in a relationship with another person 954 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,000 to just get money from them, it's not good. 955 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,000 You have to establish with that person, 956 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,000 like, hey, this is purely a transactional thing. 957 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,000 I'm here to help you with your kinks 958 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,000 and the things that you would like to 959 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,000 just discover about yourself or play around with. 960 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,000 I'm here for that, and I'll show you, 961 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,000 and I'll tell you my boundaries 962 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,000 and the things that I'm comfortable with on that. 963 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,000 And you tell me what you're comfortable with 964 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,000 as far as what kind of allowance are you allowing me? 965 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:18,000 What kind of financial income that is, 966 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,000 what is it, the word I'm looking for, disposable? 967 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,000 What kind of disposable income do you have for this, realistically? 968 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,000 And then when your relationship goes on 969 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:35,000 and you're extracting money from your pay piggy, as they say, 970 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,000 you have to make sure, keep checking in with them, 971 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,000 make sure that's not rent money that they're using. 972 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,000 You know, this is a relationship with a person still, 973 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,000 even though it's based financially, 974 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,000 it's still a person, and you still have to respect that person, 975 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,000 which everyone should deserve respect, 976 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,000 even if they're pay-picking. 977 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:02,000 To me, it's the same thing as if you're doing impact play, 978 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,000 which would be whipping or caning or something like that. 979 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:12,000 You establish a safe word, 980 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:18,000 but a good dom is going to assess the situation. 981 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,000 They're going to kind of monitor how red they're getting. 982 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,000 They're going to monitor how they're feeling, 983 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,000 because you will have a submissive who will just try to grit and bear it. 984 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,000 It will never say their safe word, 985 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,000 and then it becomes up to the dom of like, okay, we've had enough. 986 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,000 I know your limit. I've built a relationship with you. 987 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,000 I'm going to stop now. 988 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,000 And that's the thing that concerns me with a lot of Fendoms out there. 989 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,000 They don't do that. They do not check in, 990 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,000 and they just take and take and take. 991 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,000 Money, money, money, money, money, money. 992 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,000 So, obviously, that didn't sit well with us. 993 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,000 We had a huge discussion with her about it. 994 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,000 She didn't like what we had to say, 995 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,000 and we inevitably had to part ways. 996 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,000 Left so much of his things with us. 997 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,000 So she didn't even care. 998 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,000 She didn't even care about those things. 999 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,000 So we reached out to him. We got his information. 1000 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,000 We sent a lot of the stuff back. 1001 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,000 Unfortunately, that money's gone, you know. 1002 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,000 But probably a new target out there somewhere. 1003 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:33,000 Yeah. Sucks, but I mean, that's the world we live in. 1004 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,000 Yeah. And again, I'm not trying to kink shame anyone. 1005 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:45,000 I do believe if you find the right Fendom and you do it safely, 1006 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,000 I do believe that you can have the relationship 1007 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,000 that you're looking for with the right person. 1008 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:57,000 And again, if we got it wrong at all in today's episode, 1009 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,000 if there's any sort of like, oh, if you're a financial submissive 1010 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:06,000 or a pay piggy and you want to kind of like reach out to us, 1011 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,000 I would say probably reach out to us on Twitter and just say like, 1012 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,000 hey, you know, I don't feel like you got that right. 1013 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,000 I feel like you said that wrong. 1014 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,000 Because again, this is something that I'm personally not into. 1015 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,000 It's coming from my perspective. 1016 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,000 And at the end of the day, we are trying to learn about the subject. 1017 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,000 So, yeah, if we if we got it wrong at all, feel free. 1018 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,000 Send me a message on Twitter. 1019 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,000 I don't even think this is really like it's not even really a kink shame here. 1020 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,000 That's that's because it's a part of it. Consent is a part of this. 1021 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:43,000 Yeah, that's that's that's just human decency shaming at that point. 1022 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:49,000 You know, like it's OK to stretch those limits. 1023 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,000 Yeah. If they're OK with that. Yeah. 1024 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,000 You know, that's that's that's the Dom's responsibility to know that. 1025 00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:01,000 Yeah. I mean, again, a dom will sometimes try to push your limits. 1026 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,000 But part of their job is to make sure that they're not going to push you to a breaking point. 1027 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:11,000 And if they do. Right. So you have aftercare. 1028 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:17,000 You take care of that person. You make sure that they are OK after a scene. 1029 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:22,000 With thin dom, I'm worried that a lot of people are just there. 1030 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,000 They're getting kind of all their money taken and then it's OK. 1031 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,000 Well, don't talk to me until you have more money. There is no aftercare. 1032 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:43,000 There is no are you OK? You know, it's yeah, I would definitely like if I'm in a position where I'm receiving a ridiculous amount of money from someone. 1033 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:52,000 I always want to check in and be like, hey, you know, this isn't like this isn't all your money that you're giving me. 1034 00:48:52,000 --> 00:49:00,000 Like this is disposable income. Correct. You can afford this lifestyle because you don't want to you. 1035 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:06,000 Like he says, you just don't want to be hurting someone because some people don't won't won't put that limit on themselves. 1036 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:14,000 And I'll be like, I'll just give all my money to this girl. But that's not healthy on their part. And it's not healthy on your part to take it all. 1037 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:27,000 Yeah. But yeah, I think there's definitely consent that can be talked about between a thin dom and a pay piggy. 1038 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:33,000 I think there and I think with professional thin doms that that is something that is discussed. 1039 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:38,000 It's probably discussed more as an allowance. That's how I discuss it. Yeah. 1040 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:47,000 And that's that's kind of how I discuss it. It's just like, what is my what is my allowance that you know, you're comfortable in giving me? 1041 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:53,000 Yeah. Thin dom. Yeah. 1042 00:49:53,000 --> 00:50:07,000 Some of some of these girls take it for granted. I think like they feel entitled to this money. They're like, yeah, of course, I I should get more and they'll press that that limit with them. 1043 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:13,000 You know, I kind of also view it as probably the same thing with the adult industry. 1044 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:19,000 People view it as like, oh, it's a quick way to make money. Quick, easy way. I just hop online. 1045 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:29,000 Oh, I just have to take my clothes off on camp. Quick, easy. And when they see that success, that really quick success in this thing that they know little to know about, they feel entitled in that role. 1046 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:38,000 Yeah. And then they just take that as this is how it is. Yeah. And they will share that and they will share it with their friends. This is how it is. 1047 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:44,000 And it's like, no, you're just being successful at being bad at it. 1048 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:54,000 Yeah. Okay. Thin dom. Thin dom. Thin dom. Thin dom. Where did the kink jar? Where did the today? 1049 00:50:54,000 --> 00:51:04,000 Okay. Hopefully, hopefully the terms are get a little more uplifting, I guess. But it was I think I think it was a good discussion topic. Yeah. 1050 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:18,000 I think I learned some things here. Like, obviously, I participated in it, but I think we all learned a couple of things here. So is that kind of what we're talking about today is just a couple of few things, right? 1051 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:29,000 All right. You go on. End it. Let's end it. Thanks for joining us on Unnatural Sum. It's your girl, Jenny Banks. Signing off. Stay kinky. 1052 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:43,000 Thanks for stopping by.