Episode 3: Real Talk on Sex Work

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Disclaimer. This podcast features explicit language and discussion, sexual in nature. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,560 It may contain subjects uncomfortable to some. Please understand the opinions shared on this 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:15,520 podcast are not a representation of any organization or employer the hosts may be a part of. 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:23,200 It's a taste subject. It's pretty spicy, pretty juicy. We're talking about sex work. 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:30,560 Which I think it's we need to again every time we are not experts, you know, we have no experience 6 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:37,120 in this. We do have experience in this field. Do we? Do we have experience? Well, that's what 7 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:46,320 I was getting into a little bit sex work just bad versus good. Right. Wait, like like superhero? 8 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:53,600 No, not good versus evil. Like the dark side. Like I'm a sex superhuman. Can it be bad for people? 9 00:00:53,600 --> 00:01:00,720 Yeah. Or is it overall good for people? And I think honestly, I do have a very interesting 10 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:09,920 experience and side to this. I think I have experienced sex work in both areas being bad and 11 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:21,760 good. How so? Well, it starts off when I first started transitioning. I was in South in Florida. 12 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:30,800 So it's kind of rough. It's hard to get a job there when you're trans and you're not supremely 13 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:36,480 passable. And even if you are, if they do find out you're trans, it's very easy to lose your job. 14 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:46,400 Bye. Yeah, just find some arbitrary reason to fire you and be like, Well, you remember that time, 15 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:51,360 like three months ago, when you showed up like five minutes late, and it wasn't a big deal? Well, 16 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:57,680 it's a big deal today. So they give you some some kind of reason that's not related. Yeah, 17 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:04,000 that's our excuse. However, I whenever I started my transition, I lived in Panama City Beach, 18 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,160 at the time, I'm sure you know, yes, still pretty, I think I was still talking to you at the time, 19 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:14,800 I was going through a situation where I didn't have really a home to go to. So I had a person 20 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:22,320 that I was dating at the time. And they offered to for me to move in with them in Pensacola. So I 21 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:27,600 took up that chance. That was the only opportunity I saw that would be like not homeless, essentially. 22 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:34,240 So when I went there, I kind of was looking for a job again. You know, a pre transition me, 23 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:40,320 I could get a job, no problem. I get the interview, I knew I got the job. Like it was that easy. 24 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:48,320 After transitioning, getting a job was a nightmare. It was so hard. And it that's, 25 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:54,560 that's why I'm talking about, you know, this relating to sex work, because that's where it 26 00:02:54,560 --> 00:03:04,800 led me to is I knew people that were in to escorting is what's called. And they were really 27 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,800 good at it. They had been doing it for a lot of years. And they kind of took me under their wing 28 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:14,560 and told me about it and told me how to navigate. But at that time was back page Craigslist kind of 29 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:23,360 thing, which is very scary, very scary at the time. And I think it helped me develop into a 30 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:32,240 a very good escort. But overall, being an escort in Pensacola, Florida, as a trans woman is dangerous 31 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:37,760 and kind of really scary. I had a lot of good experiences. I met a lot of great people, 32 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:44,800 a lot of friendly people, a lot of closeted people, definitely was able to pay my bills, 33 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:52,480 you know, I'd never had an issue paying my bills. It did, it did affect me mentally, though, 34 00:03:52,480 --> 00:04:01,120 because socially, it felt like it was unacceptable while I was doing to make money, but it was the 35 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:07,280 only thing that I knew that would make me guaranteed money. So quick question. Yeah. Was 36 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:14,080 this before like OnlyFans was a thing? Yeah, before OnlyFans was a thing. I didn't know at the time. 37 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,560 I think there was like, I think FanCentro was like the main thing, but I didn't know that existed. 38 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:25,200 There were a few platforms out that were, you know, helpful to like market yourself and do like 39 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:33,200 work from your phone. Yeah. OnlyFans, I think blew up after we moved up here. Yeah. 40 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:41,520 Before I met her, I never knew about like the fact of putting yourself out online and only online, 41 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:48,480 and trying to work myself into the industry, which is, you know, the porn industry, 42 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:57,440 what many in society see as the professional scene. And I didn't think that was a hope for me. 43 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:02,960 So I just continued. And I was honestly, when you're escorting and you're making a lot of money, 44 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:12,000 the money is addicting. And also, you know, these clients, they have access to drugs, and 45 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:20,960 you can get easily addicted to stuff. And it's scary, because like they don't care. They just 46 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:30,240 want to give you money, use you for the money. And then, you know, they don't care about your 47 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:37,200 well being afterwards. And it's funny, because I have met a lot of clients that do actually care. 48 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:42,560 And it's almost weird, because they care too much. It's like they want to be involved in your life. 49 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:50,240 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then that kind of goes back into that thing with like, are you dating, 50 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:55,760 or are they a client, you know, and you have to really make sure that that boundary is set with 51 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:02,160 people. Yeah. Some people feel like like they are dating, even though even though you met them 52 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:07,840 through client work. They're like, they still think that there's a chance to date you like. 53 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:12,800 And it's like, no, we don't date our clients, you know? Yeah. Did you have a question? 54 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:22,480 Yeah. When you were an escort, did you take drugs to try to like help cope with your current 55 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:30,560 situation? At first, I did it. It probably is helpful to people that are going through this, 56 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:37,440 what what I was on, I was on opiates, painkillers, over the counter painkillers. And they're offered 57 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:44,000 to me by someone that had access to them. And at first, I was doing them because it helped numb 58 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:50,960 me to what was going on at the moment when I was doing my work. Yeah. And then eventually, I've 59 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,280 kind of just craved that numbness because it just it just took me out of that. 60 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:01,040 Out of that mindset of like, holy shit, this is what I'm doing with my life kind of thing. 61 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:12,400 Is it like, because of the way people portray sex workers, no matter what you're doing as sex work, 62 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:22,720 it's really hard on the sex worker, really hard. And it makes you feel like when you want to have 63 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:28,080 protections and rights that you're just like, you're being unfair or something, like you shouldn't 64 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:34,640 be asking for these kind of things as a as a working person in society, doing probably, 65 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:43,200 you know, the the job that no one really wants to do, you know. Nobody wants to escort really. 66 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:49,200 I mean, I am sure there's plenty of people that would love to do it. I mean, like people do. But 67 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,280 a lot of the girls that are doing this, a lot of the people that are doing this are doing it because 68 00:07:53,280 --> 00:08:00,080 they need the money, or they they're sinking something that they need to pay for. Or, you 69 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:05,440 know, there's a site for you that just do it because it's it's great. It's fun. Too many people 70 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:13,440 turn to it because they need to. Yes. Which was my experience. And it made it a bad one. Because 71 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:24,000 through it, I met, like I said, my good clients and I met people that are scary, that took advantage 72 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:40,400 of me. And one of my clients did actually rape me. And it's hard to talk about still because I didn't 73 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:47,200 I wasn't really accepting of the fact that like I always saw myself as a really strong person. I 74 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:55,120 couldn't I would never let that happen to me. But when I was in the moment, I just I just saw him 75 00:08:55,120 --> 00:09:03,040 as like, he's paying for this, like, he has to get what he wants. But real in real reality, if this 76 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:11,920 was my career, and I had safety things in place, if I said no, it'd be no, the money would be 77 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:17,840 returned, everything would be kosher, it would be good, it'd be fine. But because of there no, 78 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:25,280 there's no safety, there's no checks being happened, there's no one making sure that the 79 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:34,080 worker is okay. That like, I just felt like I couldn't say no. And then not only did I 80 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:43,840 get, you know, taken advantage of, but I had to ride home in this man's car, and think about my 81 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:50,000 decision that I made, or the decision I thought I made, and think about like what happened and sit 82 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:57,600 with it. And it was really, just really eye opening. 83 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:09,520 So you told the guy like, no, yeah, without being super descriptive. He had a really, 84 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:18,560 he had a really big thing. And he wanted to do penetration. And I said, it would hurt me. 85 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:29,520 And I said no. And he just kind of like talked to me, he was like, let me just try it. And I let him try it. 86 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:35,920 And I said, no, it hurts too much. And it just happened anyway. And it hurt really bad. 87 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:46,960 And I did cry during it. I kind of suppress the whole memory a lot, because it's hard to think 88 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:54,240 about sometimes. But I feel like it's definitely important to talk about because I'm not the only one 89 00:10:54,240 --> 00:11:01,200 who that's happened to. Because like, it's not okay for it to happen at all. Even if you're 90 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,200 doing the work, you know, some people are like, well, you're doing the work you're asking for. 91 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:11,200 But that's the problem right there. It's like that statement. That mentality, that mentality. 92 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:19,360 Yeah, I had noticed throughout our relationship that, you know, you sometimes struggled with 93 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:29,040 intimacy and vulnerability. And I had asked you actually at one point, you know, had something 94 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:37,440 like that happened. And, you know, for the longest time, it kind of felt like you kind of just blocked 95 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:43,040 that out. Because you told me no, no, then nothing like that's ever happened. Like it felt like you 96 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:51,520 believed that about yourself. Yeah. Well, I mean, it was really hard to accept to just to think that 97 00:11:51,520 --> 00:12:01,600 I let someone take advantage of me. Like, oh, like I said, I always thought I had really high walls, 98 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:08,240 and I was really strong. And, you know, I would never let that happen to me. It's not it's not 99 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:15,360 okay. And it's and it's not okay to ever feel like it's okay that they did that. 100 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:24,800 And it should be talked about more. I'm sure there's a lot more girls like myself that are trans, 101 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,160 that have had this happen to them that don't deal with it, that don't talk about it, that think it's 102 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:37,440 okay. I think while it was part of the job is just my job. You know, and that's that's 103 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:45,280 some of the bad things about sex work is like, for me, like, with that experience, and and just, 104 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:54,160 you know, seeing clients, mostly men for money, it just ruined my idea of a relationship with a guy. 105 00:12:54,160 --> 00:13:00,240 And it made it really a struggle to like, have a relationship with the guy. And that's what 106 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:05,200 it's essentially what when I eventually met Nikki, we we've always talked about polyamory at the 107 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,600 beginning, and we always wanted to have a guy in our relationship, and it made it a real struggle. 108 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:20,320 Because seeing I what I say is like the dirty side of things on like the the naughty things that guys 109 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:27,120 things that guys want for just money and seeing how some of them treat women for when it's just 110 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:33,280 coming down to sex and money. It's, it's disgusting. It's hard not to think of men as animals. 111 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:40,160 Yeah, because of that sometimes. But but on the other side, I have met a handful of of gentlemen 112 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:46,880 that are actual gentlemen, they treat it like you're doing a job, you're a professional, they 113 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:55,120 they treat you like the woman that you want to be treated, they they treat it like a professional 114 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,840 like transaction when it comes to the money. It's professional. When it comes to the date, 115 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:06,640 it's very, very romantic and very, like they take you out to dinner, they shower you with compliments, 116 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:12,080 sometimes they get your gifts, and it's very sweet. And when it comes down to like, physical contact, 117 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:16,240 it's it's all about consent with them. They don't feel comfortable unless they're getting that 118 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:21,200 consent unless they're having that closeness and building a kind of like a relationship beforehand. 119 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:29,360 And that and those that kind of relationship that is what I see the good side of escorting like that 120 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:34,560 can that can happen all the time. You vet these guys out, you vet these people out that want to 121 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:41,360 be clients that you vet your clientele out through background checks, security checks, you know, 122 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:48,320 verifying their ID, you're making sure that they make a certain income or something. You're securing 123 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:57,360 yourself into possibly not getting screwed over, not getting hurt, you know. And like, and like to 124 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:04,400 have a system put in place where other sex workers can just go and look and be like, well, that guy 125 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:11,520 did this. Don't ever see that guy. This person did this. Don't ever see that person, you know, would 126 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:22,320 be would be that's how black lives get formed. So yeah. And yeah, so escorting came with a lot of 127 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:31,680 lot of negatives. And a lot of positives. It really it hindered my self esteem a little bit, 128 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:39,120 but it boosted it to a height that I couldn't even explain. Like I felt so remarkably good about my 129 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:46,800 looks as far as transitioning in a very early period of my transition as well. So I can't say 130 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:54,560 any negatives about that. But I'm glad I'm out of it. I'm glad that I did meet my wife, Nikki. 131 00:15:54,560 --> 00:16:02,080 She introduced me to what is I think the good side of sex work, which is just content creation, porn, 132 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:08,960 you know, making videos, live streaming kind of thing. It's it's a whole different world. 133 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:15,840 And I never say don't escort like I think I think that's a great experience to you meet so 134 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:21,520 many fucking people you meet. And if you know what you're doing, you know how to talk to people, 135 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:26,800 you can meet some wonderful people you can network with people. It's a great thing. But 136 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:33,680 I say, if you're escorting, you must be doing the video online thing too. You have to be doing it 137 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:41,360 in turn with it because you're just going to make more money. Yeah, and, and it's just what the 138 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:47,440 online thing is more of like, it feels more of like a person like a boost in your self esteem, 139 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:53,040 self esteem, because you don't see like, like when there's a negative comment, it doesn't affect me 140 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,520 as much as hearing a negative comment coming out of someone's mouth in front of me, you know, like, 141 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:04,800 well, I also know, a lot of girls, I personally know a lot of girls that they do escorting, 142 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:12,400 and they don't want an internet persona. They want they would like to reserve time for when they're 143 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:17,760 done doing sex work. They could continue life and not be recognized in places, you know, 144 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:25,840 yeah, that's fine. I totally understand that. Yeah. And yeah, since everybody has a different 145 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,920 experience, everybody has different goals in these sorts of things, I don't want to make it sound like 146 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:35,760 what are you doing? You're not on the internet, you know? Yeah. Oh, yeah, no, definitely not. But 147 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:43,040 it just goes back to like, how society perceives sex work, which is just the problem. It's really 148 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:50,400 the big problem is just how taboo sex work is period. Yeah, like, how taboo sex is period. 149 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:56,080 It's sad that we have to have that conversation, because I feel like people shouldn't have to be 150 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:02,640 ashamed of having done sex work, you know, point in their life, like, yeah, like this, what you hear 151 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:09,120 it all the time, the oldest professions, the oldest profession out there, you know, people sold their 152 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:19,520 bodies, it's it's not that alien of a concept. You know, even talking about this makes me feel ashamed. 153 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,800 Well, you shouldn't, shouldn't feel ashamed. I made lots of money. 154 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:32,720 I made lots of money. And I met I did meet some really cool people. I've met some of them. Yeah, 155 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,840 I met she's she kept in contact with some of these people. Some of them are genuinely nice people. 156 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:44,640 I've actually met some of them. I've met a sailor. I've met a brain surgeon. I met a pilot pilot. 157 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:51,600 I've met all kinds of people from all different kinds of walks of life. Crazy. Yeah. I think it's 158 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:58,720 it's it's funny because like, funny that I'm doing podcasts now, because they one of the main things 159 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:05,840 that many of my clients would say to me is that they love talking to me. And sometimes, rare occasion, 160 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:12,080 a client would pay me. And all we would do is sit there and talk, have an intellectual conversation, 161 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:17,440 because I'm so engaging, I guess, in conversation. And honestly, they are so engaging, too. It's, 162 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:23,280 I love hearing about people's lives. You can let me you can sell different types of intimacy, 163 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,360 not all intimacy is physical for some people. Yeah. And that's that's one thing I learned 164 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:34,000 through escorting is that not all intimacy is physical. It's not all sexual. Like, some people 165 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:39,040 just want to engage in conversation. Some people just want to snuggle with that engaging conversation. 166 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:45,840 You know, yeah. Some people just want to go out to dinner, talk, have some nice wine. That's about 167 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:54,640 it. And it's it's fantastic to meet meet those kind of people, honestly. But yeah, for me, 168 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:04,400 sex work, good versus bad. For me, it's been both. It's been a good mixture of both. It's started off 169 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:13,040 kind of good, got rough, real, real rough. And then I met you. And that kind of changed my whole 170 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,840 outlook on sex work, because I was at a very negative space with it. Yeah, I think when I met 171 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:23,680 you, you were done. You're like, yeah, I wasn't even interested in putting myself online anymore, 172 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:33,040 because I just I had like started on Instagram and I was live streaming on one of the cam sites. 173 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:41,680 And I wasn't doing too well. I was still doing escorting full time. And I just was getting sick 174 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:47,840 of it. And I was trying to find a job again, basically. And then I met her and she was like, 175 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:52,640 put yourself out there. You're hot. And it kind of built because my self-esteem at that point was 176 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:58,560 just like shut down. And then she built me back up again. She helped me build it back up again. 177 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:04,320 And yeah, that's my that's my personal relationship with sex. I'm sure a lot of 178 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,120 people have the same experience, you know, 179 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:15,120 maybe even worse. And I just hope the best for them, because it's a struggle. It's a struggle. 180 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:17,920 It is. 181 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:26,720 And you've gone places. Yeah. Look at you now. You're on a you're on a well-known podcast. 182 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:32,080 You know, how did you get this gig? Actually, kudos to you. It's because I like to talk. 183 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:40,000 Yeah. That's sex work. Sex work. Sex work, bad versus good. Yeah, it kind of relates to me because 184 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:48,080 I think I've had experience on both sides. But speaking of sex work, didn't she put out a feeler 185 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:53,840 for questions? I did put out a feeler for sex work questions. I can 186 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:59,840 I'm wondering what kind of responses we got. Let me check my gram. I put out because I like to ask 187 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:06,000 if people like to ask questions and stuff periodically. So fun, fun, fun. Yeah. Good way to 188 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:15,600 interact with us, I guess. So let's see. We have here. I love you. Okay. That's a question. 189 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:23,200 Where's the podcast available? Where is the podcast available, Jay? Everywhere. Everywhere? 190 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,520 Everywhere. Just drop a few names of places you can find them. 191 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,000 Well, it's located here and there. 192 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:39,840 Well, I know we plan on putting the video out there. But I'm not sure if we can do that. 193 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:48,000 And year in there. Well, I know we plan on putting the video and the audio component on YouTube. 194 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:55,360 Correct. There's Spotify, I guess when you when you upload the RSS feed, it just goes to Spotify. 195 00:22:55,360 --> 00:23:01,760 I plead the fifth. Okay, well, we'll do some research. But if there is a space where you 196 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:08,800 are listening to podcasts already, we'll be on there. We're just prepare yourself. We're 197 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:14,480 gonna get there. Anywhere you can find a podcast. We will include the links down below. Yes, 198 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:20,720 down below or above. If you're watching a different kind of thing, links everywhere. 199 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:28,800 We also have some actual relevant questions here as well. We have we have at what age 200 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:36,240 did you get into sex work? Oh, well, for me, I got into sex work. 201 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:47,680 I started transitioning 24. No, 25. I got into sex work. 26. 26 years old. I mean, obviously, 202 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:54,000 you know, when I got into it, I wasn't telling my clients I was 26. But you know, I was actually 203 00:23:54,000 --> 00:24:02,800 26 when I got into it. What you lied about your age. Oh, come on. I look younger. Yeah, I did too. 204 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:15,200 I actually started getting into sex work at 27. I'm 34 now. So y'all can do that math. I 205 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:23,120 I got into it at a difficult time in my life. I you know, I was transitioning in the military. 206 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:35,360 And I the friends that I thought that I had, I no longer had. So the the large group of people 207 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:42,800 that I would normally go to for things and help was non existent. And all that I had available to 208 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:53,040 me were trans people that I knew that were into sex work. Yeah. And those were my friends. So I 209 00:24:53,040 --> 00:25:03,040 started interacting in that community. And I got in the military anymore. So here I am. Much 210 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:10,560 happier. A lot more friends now. So much happier with the the real people in my life that I have 211 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:19,840 today. So here's another one on our list. Do your parents know? How do they feel about it? 212 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:29,680 My I don't think even my parents know. Actually. Really? Yeah, we just don't I don't have that 213 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:36,080 closeness with my parents. I think my dad might know like I have a suspicion maybe. Yeah, and 214 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:43,200 I don't think he cares. He's very much in his own world still. Oh, actually, my mom does know. 215 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:51,840 And I have no idea how she feels about it. Really? I did tell her. Yeah. Okay. And this is my mother 216 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:59,840 that I think also had done sex work type stuff at one point in her life. So according according to 217 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:06,400 your father. According to my father. Yeah. So I'm not sure how they feel. And I'm not sure if they 218 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:12,160 actually remember or know. So that's my answer for them. Or care. Or care. Yeah, they probably don't 219 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:24,960 care. For me, my my mom definitely knows I've not in great detail, but she you know, she she's she 220 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:36,080 she has an idea. She knows that I do sex work. She knows that I'm much happier in my position in life 221 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:47,680 and she's happy for me. I don't know if she's like, Yay, you're doing porn, but she does feel good 222 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:56,000 that I am am happy and I'm being safe. And I'm carrying out these things in a professional manner. 223 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:04,640 She she's happy for me. Yeah, your mom does seem very like open and accepting. Yeah, it's it's more 224 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,840 of like, it's more like she's she's not going to be at the front of the parade holding the banners 225 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:16,560 for me like doing porn. But she's she's got your back. She definitely has my back. My parents do 226 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:24,000 not know that I have a podcast. That's not it's not me keeping a secret or anything like that. 227 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:33,360 Both my parents have passed away now. My mother has it's been about a couple of months now since 228 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:41,040 she passed. She was actually a sex worker. Oh, wow. Yes. Before I was born, I guess, 229 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:49,920 listening to your stories, I come from obviously like the different side of sex work. 230 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:57,520 So my mother was a she was a stripper and my father was a police officer. 231 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:04,480 From my from my understanding, that's from my understanding that you were born in a porno. 232 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:19,680 You're born in a porno. So yeah, I guess I guess maybe possibly. But yeah, that's my understanding 233 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:24,640 is that's how my father and my mother met. My mother was a stripper and my father was a police 234 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:37,440 officer. Unfortunately, things did not work out between the two of them. We kept on our arrestor 235 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:44,480 and get probably got awkward. After a while. We can't stop meeting like this. Conflict of interest. 236 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:53,840 No, I think as a grown up looking back onto it, kind of listening to you two share your stories. 237 00:28:54,880 --> 00:29:03,040 I believe my mother, she enjoyed the rush of it. I think she enjoyed like the self-esteem boost from it. 238 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:13,760 And she definitely enjoyed the party lifestyle and the drugs of it. When things did not work out 239 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:26,640 between my mother and my father, I was very, very young. And I feel like her, her history in sex 240 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:35,200 work was kind of weaponized against her. So during the divorce, my dad got full custody of me. He, 241 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:42,480 he used to be a police officer. He had a kind of a little bit of a violent history. 242 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:54,640 So I was raised in somewhat of a abusive household, you could say. Instead of being raised by someone 243 00:29:54,640 --> 00:30:02,000 who had a history of being a sex worker. But that was like, that was the thing though was, 244 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:08,880 she's unfit because she's a sex worker. And I was raised in a kind of a violent 245 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,440 household. So that was the thing though was, yeah, she's unfit because she's a sex worker. 246 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:21,120 And I think growing up in the South, that was, my father and I, we definitely struggled a lot growing 247 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:33,520 up, but everything that would go wrong in our life. So for instance, we were, we were both homeless. 248 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:39,200 When I was in the second grade for like a short period of time, we were living out of a car. And I 249 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,480 just remember kind of being conditioned, like looking back, I can see it. Like I was conditioned 250 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:54,560 to hate her, right? Like, and everything growing up, for instance, we moved from place to place to 251 00:30:54,560 --> 00:31:01,600 place in Florida. I remember one time we put all of our belongings in a storage shed because we had 252 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:07,360 to like, we were being evicted out of one place and had to move to the next. And somebody broke in and 253 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:13,760 like stole all of our stuff, like cleared it out. And I just remember all these things, like I would 254 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:20,880 be so angry and so mad at my mother who had like nothing to do with it. But that's how I was 255 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:29,680 conditioned. And also being conditioned, like I did go to church twice a week. Sex work was bad. 256 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:37,200 It was a sin. Yeah. And is that what they're saying? That's what they said. Wow. Harsh. 257 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:45,680 And it just, it was like, I remember just thinking like, okay, my, you know, my mother chose to live 258 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:56,320 this sinful lifestyle than try to be a mother to me. And I just, I grew up hating her because I 259 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:03,680 would blame her for everything. I would be, I don't have like the nicest shoes or I'm, you know, I'm 260 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:10,480 like, I have like holes in my shoes because of my mother. We lost everything because of my mother. 261 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,120 We're being evicted again because of my mother. And it was, you know, as an adult, I look back, 262 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:23,280 my mother had like nothing to do with that at all. But I guess the thing, again, this relates back to 263 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:34,480 sex workers because I was placed in a abusive household and I don't, I don't want to like sound 264 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:42,880 like a victim or anything. I am who I am today because of what I went through. I wouldn't be who 265 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:50,880 I am without me going through that. I completely understand that. I did not have a relationship 266 00:32:50,880 --> 00:33:01,120 with my mother, I think, because I was, I had such a big stigmatism against sex work from an early age. 267 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:08,320 And my mother, after my father passed away, my mother did reach out to me. She did want to form 268 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:16,160 a relationship. It was very, keep in mind, this was after college, different states that we lived in 269 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:24,160 entirely. She lived in Michigan, lived out here in Washington. So time zone difference. She did try 270 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:30,560 to form a relationship with me before she passed away. And it was just something that was very odd 271 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:38,480 to me, you know, like at this stage in my life, like what am I going to do with this person that 272 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:45,040 thinks she's my mother, kind of. I know that sounds harsh. No, I totally understand. 273 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:54,400 And looking back on it, I do wish that I did spend the time to get to know her better 274 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:06,000 because looking back at both my father and my mother, I was a lot more like my mother 275 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,040 than I ever was my father. And unfortunately, the only one that I knew was my father. 276 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:23,280 Yeah. Sorry about that. Yeah, it's okay. That's unfortunately, like, that's you being affected 277 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:29,280 by society's negative astigmatism around sex work. Like you directly being influenced by that, 278 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:35,840 your family, essentially. Yeah, I. And it's not even like the full extent of sex work is 279 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:43,680 stripping. And that's not at its extreme either. That's just. Yeah, like stripping is more broadly 280 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:52,640 accepted as like an acceptable form of sex work more so than like escorting porn, you know. 281 00:34:53,680 --> 00:35:00,320 Yeah, I remember my mother speaking to me a couple of years ago where, you know, she and again, 282 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:06,080 I don't know how much of this is true, right. But she did tell me she's like, you know, I 283 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,880 I was just a stripper. She's like, it was completely different back in the 80s. 284 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,800 She's like, oh, yeah, girls, girls nowadays, they'll do anything for, for tips and stuff. 285 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:24,080 And she's like, it wasn't like that back when I did it. So I just think it's kind of interesting. 286 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:34,240 I was placed, the person that I got full custody of me ended up getting full custody of me, I think 287 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:41,360 primarily because of sex work. And I will say because of like drug use, but my dad also did 288 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:48,080 drugs. So yeah, you know, it's kind of like what. But the dynamic there you have, you have a 289 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:55,440 someone with law enforcement background. Yeah. You know, and typically females do get custody. 290 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,080 Like it's it's usually difficult, but you know, in your father's situation, 291 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:10,720 then she didn't have a chance. Ironically, my mother's side of the family is the side that had 292 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:18,480 all the money. Her father, my grandfather on that side, he was a very successful 293 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,360 engineer that got into 294 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:33,280 executive levels of a very successful, very wealthy company. She had the funds and the money. 295 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:41,520 I think I think they turned their back on her when she went into sex work or stripping. So 296 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:48,560 I feel like they could have easily kind of threw money around and 297 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,640 probably would have got like full custody of me, because like you said, the mother typically does. 298 00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:01,840 But because maybe she didn't have the money, she didn't have the money to do the sex work. 299 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,480 Because maybe she didn't have that support of her family because of her profession. 300 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,560 And because like you said, like it's a law enforcement officer fighting for custody. 301 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:19,840 And again, I don't I don't know how my life would be different. If my mother had full custody, 302 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:27,440 maybe I would have came from a family that had a lot of money. Maybe I never would have went 303 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,320 to college because I would have been like, what's the point? Yeah, I'm rich. I'm rich. And 304 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:39,120 I think everything that I did in college, like building homeless houses for homeless veterans, 305 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:47,520 sorry, building houses for homeless veterans, that was part of me. That was something that was very 306 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:55,520 important to me. And that was me kind of giving back to society, if you will, because that was 307 00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:03,200 something I know what it's like to not have a home. I know what it's like to kind of be struggling. 308 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,800 So like I'm now in a place where I can help people. So let me go back and help. 309 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,720 Point of the podcast too. Kind of kind of the point of the podcast. 310 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:14,160 Yeah. Education. 311 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:22,880 I personally think I think your mom would be happy to know that you're putting positive 312 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:30,560 information out there about things pertaining to her line of work, her profession. 313 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:38,320 Yeah, I think she would. I'm definitely following more in my mother's side of her footsteps than my 314 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,360 father's. My father would probably not like the podcast at all. And he would have been 315 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:58,720 probably super judgmental about it. And I think again, knowing people that are into, 316 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:10,560 like in the sex work industry, it often does not, like I often think like 317 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:17,360 this was probably just like my mother, right? Like when she was young, wild and crazy and 318 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:28,080 kind of free love spirited. And I, you can call it like a conflict of interest if you want, but 319 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:38,160 I think for me, I've realized sex workers aren't bad. They're very loving and caring people. 320 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:45,120 They're just like everyone else. There's nothing necessarily wrong with them. 321 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:52,880 Yeah. Yeah. We're all humans. Yeah. It's crazy. It's weird. 322 00:39:52,880 --> 00:40:02,800 We try to be. Any more questions? 323 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:10,480 Oh, no. I mean, there's a lot of questions here, but they're mostly like, 324 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:18,160 please send me more feet pics. Interesting. Yeah. So I believe we have 325 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,600 kink jar. Oh yeah. Kink jar word of the day. Kink jar word of the day. 326 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,400 We need a sound effect. There's like, oh, we're going to sing. We should do that. Kink jar word 327 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:35,200 of the day with Jay. Actually that's pretty good. And so we could sing it would be great. 328 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:44,080 Yeah. Kink jar word of the day with Jay. Okay. It's official. Okay. I can literally 329 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:52,080 take that and that just, because she said it with the microphone. Oh my God. I can't take it back. 330 00:40:53,920 --> 00:41:00,160 So what's the kinky word of the day? Oh, okay. So self-collering. 331 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,280 What the hell is that? Self-collering. Is it exactly what it sounds like? 332 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:11,760 Yeah. I mean, yeah. Okay. That's it. That's it. That completes the word of the day. There we go. 333 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:18,560 That's it. So self-collering is what it sounds like. I've heard the word 334 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,840 collar. Yeah. And I've heard the word self. Never heard the word self-collering before. 335 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:34,400 Please explain. I'm very captivated right now. So typically in BDSM, a collar represents ownership. 336 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:42,560 Right. Yeah. There's even collar, collaring ceremonies. Wow. That's kind of like a marriage 337 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:50,800 thing. It can be as in-depth as you want or as the dom and sub wants it to be. Why am I so extremely 338 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:58,160 interested in this? It sounds so cool. Typically you have to earn your collar, right? Oh, wow. 339 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:04,640 It's not like a, oh, hey, we just met. Will you collar me? It's a long ongoing process. 340 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:16,080 Self-collering is kind of like the other side of that where instead of a dominant giving you a 341 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:26,480 collar, you are putting a collar on yourself. But who's... Okay. So like self-ownership? 342 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:34,400 Yeah. Or is that like indicating to other doms that like, hey, I'm not owned and you can own me? 343 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:41,200 So no. That would just be like you not wearing a collar. And this is where it could kind of get a 344 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:46,320 little confusing inside the community. Because if someone sees a collar, they're going to be like, 345 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:55,200 oh, okay, so you're owned. And then it's like, oh, no, I'm not. But for instance, I am self-collared. 346 00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:01,520 That's what this little guy right here is from Eternity Collars. I think I covered it a couple. 347 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:08,400 You've mentioned it before. Yeah. So that was, I will say a lot of people do self-collering for 348 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:20,320 different reasons. For me, this was my way of... It was like a statement to society. Like I am kinky. 349 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:25,200 I am submissive. Like this is who I am. Oh, okay. And it was like me putting it out there. Do you 350 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:31,600 think for other people in the BDSM community that they do the same thing? Like they self-collar with 351 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:37,120 different things than just a normal collar, just to state like, hey, I am kinky. This is my lifestyle. 352 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:44,960 This is what I enjoy. Yeah. I do think a lot of people do it. I think it's a way to express 353 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:55,280 who you are and try to show people that it's normal. A lot of people do wear the Eternity 354 00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,480 Collars on their wrists or even on their ankles because it's just more professional. Yeah. So 355 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:06,000 I mean, if I went to work with a collar around my neck, they would be like... I can't imagine. 356 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:11,280 Why? Why is that a ground part? You go into an office job and you have this thing around your neck. 357 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:17,840 I don't even know how to open this one. Your boss comes by in a latex gimp suit and just leashes 358 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:23,440 you and is like, come here. You did bad things. It spanks you in the office. So for me, it's more... 359 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:30,480 Typical business environment. Yeah. It's a normal Tuesday. Normal Tuesday. So yeah, for me, 360 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,440 it's just like me expressing essentially who I am. Oh, okay. 361 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:42,560 Yeah. I did it. I self-collared myself. Is this how you do it? 362 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:50,480 So the confusing aspects... I know Nick is being distracting. The confusing aspects as far as like, 363 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,680 I could see how it would be confusing for people that are in those dominant sub-relationships 364 00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:04,080 that are used to seeing only owned subs being collared. So is that like a commonly mistaken 365 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,880 thing is like when someone's self-collaring, they get a lot of questions like, oh, you owned... 366 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:14,640 Like you were mentioning that. You're unavailable. Is self-collaring common when it comes to like 367 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:21,760 a collar that you wear around your neck? Because I feel like that more so dignifies like ownership. 368 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:30,960 So not entirely... Try to break down your questions. Not entirely sure how common 369 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:36,480 self-collaring is. I know for instance, like if you go to YouTube and you type in self-collaring, 370 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:42,880 you're going to find YouTube videos by other content creators out there that are explaining what it is. 371 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:52,160 Confusing... It can be confusing. However, for example, there was recently a dungeon party year 372 00:45:52,160 --> 00:46:03,600 in Seattle and they have dungeon parties very often, but for this specific one, we can definitely 373 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:08,320 probably get you hooked up with that. Yeah, we'll continue. Yeah, I want to know more. 374 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,160 I want to know more. Someone's curious. We'll talk about it. Okay, we'll get in there later. 375 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:18,960 Someone's really curious. Yeah, I'm curious. When you go to the dungeon party, 376 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:24,960 first of all, proper protocol, you're going to have to go through like a new member orientation. 377 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,800 They're going to explain the rules to you, blah, blah, blah, blah. After that, at the party, 378 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:38,080 you have a choice to get a wristband. And a red wristband at this dungeon party meant that you 379 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:44,480 were not open for people to come and talk to you. Or not open, I should say, for play. Because 380 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:50,080 the first part... I'm trying to remember how this got structured. The first part of the party was a 381 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:55,520 social, where you go and you mingle and you talk to people. And then it broke into play, where you 382 00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:00,960 could go and actually use it. Yeah, vibe check and play. Yeah. So pretty standard. If someone had a 383 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:07,920 red wristband on them, when it came to the play part, it would be like, okay. They're not here 384 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,680 for play, but you can still talk to them. They're not here for play. Right. And in the social, 385 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:17,680 that's when you can mingle. So I think for a dominant, if they've noticed a collar around 386 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,720 their neck and they don't have a red wristband, they might just say, it's all about communication 387 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:28,480 at the end of the day. So they might say, oh, hey, I see you're a submissive. Are you owned? 388 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:34,080 And then you say, oh, no, this is a self-collary. Because also a lot of other dominants, they might 389 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,520 be like, oh, I'm okay if you go to this party and you play with some people. It sounds like 390 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:45,840 people in the community of BDSM, when they're serious about it, it's all about communication 391 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:51,760 with them, all about consent. Yeah. Which is crazy because a lot of the things that are portrayed 392 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:58,000 about BDSM in film, it's the total opposite. It's like, oh, no consent kind of thing. And it's just 393 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:05,920 like- Or consent, non-consent. Yeah. And they never go over how much they care about those 394 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:15,360 people, how much they care about the safety and the safety in play and how much they talk about 395 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:22,080 how much they care about their partner's well-being during play. I feel like that's important when 396 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:29,120 you're going to portray it in film. Self-collaring. Self-collaring. Yeah. Self-collaring. It's fun. 397 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:36,560 And I guess I have been doing it myself this whole time. I just didn't even know that. I wear 398 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:43,440 collars a lot. Oh, yeah. I've never officially been collared by anyone. Now. Doesn't mean that you can't. 399 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:51,280 But- Just putting that option out there. But yeah, that's- it's nice to know that there's a term for that. 400 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:56,640 I just didn't know. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty- I knew about collaring, obviously, but I didn't know 401 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:04,800 there was an idea of actually doing it yourself. Yep. You learn a lot of new things about the kinky. 402 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:13,280 That is why we're here. Yeah. Oh my god. That's why we got the kink jar. Yes. Even we're learning as we do this. 403 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:19,280 Yeah. There you go. Yeah. So- That's the word of the day. Looks like we kind of like- we covered a lot today. 404 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:30,320 Yeah, we did. So, if you would like to see us cover more topics or just engage with us in general, 405 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:38,960 we have a Discord available now. Yes. We'll put the link down below in the information. 406 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:45,920 So- Links everywhere. Links are everywhere. Feel free to check it out. We're gonna try to be, 407 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:53,520 you know, present there and receptive of your engagement. So, please, please check it out. 408 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:59,920 Yeah. This has been an Unnatural to Some podcast. It's your girl, Jenny Banks, signing out. Stay kinky. 409 00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:15,920 See you next time. Niki Sapphire.