Episode 4: William Marston Pt1 - Wonder Woman and kink?

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000Disclaimer. This podcast features explicit language and discussion sexual in nature.200:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,560It may contain subjects uncomfortable to some. Please understand the opinions shared on this300:00:10,560 --> 00:00:15,600podcast are not a representation of any organization or employer the hosts may be a part of.400:00:18,720 --> 00:00:25,200Welcome to the Natural Assum podcast. Welcome back. We are here talking about what we're talking500:00:25,200 --> 00:00:33,920about today, Jay. We are talking about William Marston. Oh, yes. Who's that? We're going to600:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,840get into that. We're going to cover that. That's that's what we are here to talk about today. Oh,700:00:37,840 --> 00:00:42,640okay. So that kind of makes sense. Jenny's being coy. We did we did watch the movie.800:00:43,600 --> 00:00:50,000Yes. So this is very interesting. I'm sure like many of our followers out there,900:00:50,000 --> 00:00:57,520if you know the name William Marston, it is from the movie William Marston and the Wonder Women.1000:00:58,240 --> 00:01:06,400And the whole premise is that the creator of Wonder Woman, he was in a poly relationship BDSM1100:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,640kind of themed. This was something that was like really shocking to me because obviously,1200:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,840you know, I know of Wonder Woman. And when I when I saw the movie, I was like, oh my gosh,1300:01:17,840 --> 00:01:23,600this is amazing. I had no idea about all the struggles of getting Wonder Woman out there.1400:01:24,480 --> 00:01:31,360You know, him being in a poly relationship, him like having this kinky side. I was like,1500:01:31,360 --> 00:01:37,440this guy's my hero. Right. In like a nutshell. And I was like, let's I want to dive deep. I want to1600:01:37,440 --> 00:01:50,400like research this. And then reality kicked in. And much like everything, I found out that Hollywood1700:01:50,400 --> 00:02:01,680kind of took some liberties. I was kind of expecting kind of a story more kinky and more,1800:02:01,680 --> 00:02:08,240you know, poly kind of based. However, looking into it, it actually became and this was this is1900:02:08,240 --> 00:02:14,240not a bad thing at all. Like it actually really surprised me. It's more focused around women's2000:02:14,240 --> 00:02:20,720rights. So all the research I did, it's heavy that the history of Wonder Woman is so embedded into2100:02:20,720 --> 00:02:28,080like women's rights. And so at first, I was like, there's not much kink to the story. However,2200:02:28,080 --> 00:02:35,200I did love the story. I still wanted to kind of share the research that I've done. So just to2300:02:35,200 --> 00:02:40,720give you an idea, our sources. So obviously there's the movie William Marston and the Wonder2400:02:40,720 --> 00:02:50,560Women. The main book is entitled The Secret History of Wonder Woman by Jill Lepore. I don't2500:02:50,560 --> 00:02:55,760know if I pronounced that wrong. I am so sorry. I'm a numbers guy, not a butchered than that.2600:02:55,760 --> 00:03:03,760Maybe. Yeah. If you write a book and I read it, I might butcher your name. I'm sorry.2700:03:05,280 --> 00:03:13,840So sorry to all the authors out there. Sorry. So and we do have the book Emotions of Normal2800:03:13,840 --> 00:03:22,880People wrote by William Marston. I really tried to read this book. However, you know, this is,2900:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,600I believe it was written like the 30s or the 40s and it's a psychology book. So there was a3000:03:27,600 --> 00:03:33,760lot of skimming involved with that. And then we also looked into Wonder Woman, The Golden Age,3100:03:33,760 --> 00:03:41,040volume one. And those are the the comics specifically wrote by William Marston. So3200:03:41,760 --> 00:03:47,760that's kind of the research that we did want to share that. And something I do want to point out3300:03:47,760 --> 00:03:57,600is there's so much content for the book, The Secret History of Wonder Woman. It's impossible3400:03:57,600 --> 00:04:04,720to share on this podcast. There's a lot of stuff that we left out. So yeah, I remember you bringing3500:04:04,720 --> 00:04:10,560up the subject of William Marston. You're like, there's a lot. Right. So it's overwhelming. Even3600:04:10,560 --> 00:04:17,840even with me leaving out content, I still had, for instance, 30 pages, I am not exaggerating 303700:04:17,840 --> 00:04:27,200pages of typed notes. And then from that, I even narrowed some of that down 30, 30 pages of typed3800:04:27,200 --> 00:04:34,720notes. She's so much that does not you are committed. You are absolutely I mean, it's a3900:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,920juicy subject for someone that's especially for you because you're you're, you know, kind of taking4000:04:39,920 --> 00:04:45,680a deep dive into the BDSM community with the podcast and just because of your own curiosity4100:04:45,680 --> 00:04:50,320is and what you've been through in life. So yeah, this is probably a good stepping stone to like,4200:04:51,040 --> 00:04:59,120understanding, especially back then, of how, you know, having that kind of lifestyle can be like,4300:04:59,920 --> 00:05:06,240and also having that influence of like, holy shit, he wrote the comic books that like I,4400:05:06,240 --> 00:05:11,680like, I don't know if you enjoyed Wonder Woman, but I certainly did. So I didn't and I didn't even4500:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,560know, like, I seen some of the old comics, I didn't even know I thought that was just part of4600:05:16,560 --> 00:05:21,920Wonder Woman didn't know is like, there's a background to it. I will say like, growing up,4700:05:21,920 --> 00:05:31,520I was never a super fan of Wonder Woman. Right. I was a my two main superheroes were Batman and the4800:05:31,520 --> 00:05:39,280Flash. The Flash I started running when I was in second grade and I was like, okay, okay, he runs4900:05:39,280 --> 00:05:45,200fast. He's he's kind of nerdy. Wow. You're on the track team. You're like, I'm Flash. Batman's cool.5000:05:45,760 --> 00:05:52,800And then Batman. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The Batman, obviously, you know, essentially anyone can be5100:05:52,800 --> 00:05:59,120Batman. Yes, if you have enough money. Anyone. I don't think anybody can be Batman. If okay.5200:05:59,120 --> 00:06:07,520If what's his name can be Batman. Twilight. What is his name? Robert Pattinson. If he can be Batman.5300:06:07,520 --> 00:06:13,520I'm Finch and Ben Affleck can be Batman. I'm not Batman. Can they though? Anyone can be Batman.5400:06:13,520 --> 00:06:20,080So yeah, I, for me, I think the the draw for Batman, right, is that he lives a double lifestyle.5500:06:20,080 --> 00:06:30,000So does he really? Yeah, I guess he does. Yeah. So by mostly just Batman. Right. But by by day, he's a5600:06:30,800 --> 00:06:37,920kind of famous, well known, successful businessman. And then at night, he, you know, dresses up in5700:06:37,920 --> 00:06:45,600latex and fights crime and dresses up in latex, latex, and sometimes I mean, sometimes he has5800:06:45,600 --> 00:06:52,160nipples, sometimes he has, which was very bad, nipples, very awkward, very awkward time. And then5900:06:52,160 --> 00:06:59,360he gets he gets tied up by beautiful women in latex and outfits. It's great. I yeah, I don't know6000:06:59,360 --> 00:07:05,600what sort of like parallels between me and, you know, Batman. I don't know why I am the way that6100:07:05,600 --> 00:07:10,480I am today. Maybe my childhood. I have no idea. I don't know. Maybe the cartoons you watched and6200:07:10,480 --> 00:07:16,720consumed. No, I'm just kidding that. I'm pretty sure that had nothing to do with it. But so Wonder Woman.6300:07:17,280 --> 00:07:23,760So Wonder Woman. All right. So who is William Marston? So let's kind of like jump in.6400:07:24,880 --> 00:07:34,000William Moulton Marston was born on May 9th, 1893. He has a law and psychology degree from Harvard.6500:07:34,000 --> 00:07:41,360He invented what would become the lie detector. He was a script writer for Universal. He founded6600:07:41,360 --> 00:07:47,920the Disc Theory and Psychology. He's a military veteran. He fought for women's rights. He had a6700:07:47,920 --> 00:07:57,280poly relationship. He was into BDSM. And obviously, we are we know him today mainly for the creation6800:07:57,280 --> 00:08:02,960of Wonder Woman. That's a long list of things. I bet you the list is even longer. Yes. The fact6900:08:02,960 --> 00:08:11,520that you said he's had a poly relationship. That's that's pretty. What wouldn't what time around what7000:08:11,520 --> 00:08:18,240time was he? Because Wonder Woman was made in like, when was that made? You said, like the 30s?7100:08:18,880 --> 00:08:25,840I believe the 30s, 40s. And he was in a poly relationship even back then. That's7200:08:25,840 --> 00:08:32,240it's pretty crazy. So for instance, he meets what would become his, I guess, girlfriend in the7300:08:32,240 --> 00:08:39,360relationship around 1925. By that time, Wonder Woman wasn't established. No one was really kind7400:08:39,360 --> 00:08:46,880of thinking about Wonder Woman. So he had a he starts a poly relationship in the late 20s.7500:08:48,160 --> 00:08:55,840And then I believe Wonder Woman came out in the 30s. Can you imagine us being in our poly7600:08:55,840 --> 00:09:05,280relationship in the in the 20s? Kind of just think about like what is especially with existing,7700:09:05,280 --> 00:09:12,320how we exist now, especially with our boyfriend and stuff. And yeah, that would that's a different7800:09:12,320 --> 00:09:17,760time. That's that's intense. And that's that's kind of what I liked about this story is there's7900:09:17,760 --> 00:09:23,360aspects of his life that he tried to hide. And then there's other aspects that he did not try to8000:09:23,360 --> 00:09:30,640hide, really at all. And what I liked about it was that, you know, we we talked today about,8100:09:30,640 --> 00:09:37,040oh, like, I don't want people to find out about like my kinky side and a professional setting or,8200:09:37,040 --> 00:09:42,720oh, no, if people found out I was in a poly relationship. Yeah. And then he was like,8300:09:42,720 --> 00:09:48,080he was in the 20s and 30s is like kind of rocking it. Rocking balls, like whatever,8400:09:48,080 --> 00:09:57,200like just not really. That's brave. Yeah. I can't imagine the environment back then for8500:09:57,200 --> 00:10:04,400people that were living differently from like the norm, you know, because like now it's still8600:10:04,400 --> 00:10:09,840pretty intense in society, especially with social media and stuff. But back then, it's like people8700:10:09,840 --> 00:10:17,200were just in your face about it. And I would say more violent. Like, I feel like there's still a8800:10:17,200 --> 00:10:23,760lot of violence, but I feel like it wasn't seen as much back then because we had no social media.8900:10:23,760 --> 00:10:29,840Right. And so a lot of violence went unseen. So it's like, how we account for that, you know.9000:10:29,840 --> 00:10:38,000And we are we are talking about a time period where careers and getting a job was really based9100:10:38,000 --> 00:10:44,560on like who you know and word of mouth. So if you ruined your reputation, I believe back then it9200:10:44,560 --> 00:10:53,600became much harder for you to get a job, which we we do see. So much later in the story, we'll9300:10:53,600 --> 00:11:02,400we'll kind of see how homophobia kind of takes over and the amount of people that lost like9400:11:02,400 --> 00:11:12,800governmental jobs based on allegations of them being homosexuals, which is very interesting.9500:11:12,800 --> 00:11:19,760Oh, from like from like people that are just expressing like different kinks and stuff.9600:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,360Oh, just for who they loved. Oh, wow. What's that like?9700:11:25,360 --> 00:11:31,360I guess we're kind of we're in we're in a gay marriage. So9800:11:33,040 --> 00:11:42,480what we're in a gay relationship now in what year is it? What year is it?9900:11:42,480 --> 00:11:51,920Twenty twenty three. No, we are in a yeah, gay marriage, which thankfully, you know,10000:11:51,920 --> 00:11:56,000one of our presidents was smart enough to pass that law because we're humans and we just want to10100:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,440we just want to suffer just like the rest of you.10200:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,440I mean, I'm not going to speculate on how smart our presidents are.10300:12:04,640 --> 00:12:10,640Yeah. Well, I'm just saying, like it's it's a smart move to give everyone rights to that.10400:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,360Like what's like, why are you preventing gay people from getting married in the first place?10500:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,200But that's not the conversation we're talking about today. It's more about, you know,10600:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,520William Marston. Yeah, there's a there's a lot of details.10700:12:23,520 --> 00:12:28,560There's a lot of layers to this guy. So he's in the military and crazy.10800:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,840I could see I could see the references there as far as military reference goes in the comic book10900:12:33,840 --> 00:12:38,960itself. There's a lot of military figures in the comic book. The old old original comic book.11000:12:38,960 --> 00:12:44,480Yeah. Oh, yeah. So when you're getting tied up in the movie, too, when you look at superheroes,11100:12:44,480 --> 00:12:50,960right, the the very early age of superheroes, you have Captain America, he literally going11200:12:50,960 --> 00:13:00,160to Germany and fighting Hitler. Comic books was almost kind of like a pro war propaganda machine.11300:13:00,160 --> 00:13:09,440I don't really want to say that I kind of. But it was kind of a fun way, I guess, to kind of get the11400:13:09,440 --> 00:13:17,840young audience kind of ease, I guess, their minds into war situations. Right. What's what's really11500:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,880interesting, and we'll see this we'll get into this is comic books came out in the 1930s.11600:13:22,880 --> 00:13:30,160There was a new expressive art form. So think of a time where you couldn't be openly gay.11700:13:30,720 --> 00:13:36,400You couldn't be into kink or anything like that. It's really interesting because just like a11800:13:36,400 --> 00:13:45,040superhero, you can step in to this other role, and you can show in a very expressive way, you know,11900:13:45,040 --> 00:13:50,640a side of you that you have to stay hidden. Right. You have to hide every day and then you can you12000:13:50,640 --> 00:13:56,480can write about it, you can express it into comic books, and we see that. And we also kind of talk12100:13:56,480 --> 00:14:03,520about the fall of that, how all of that went away and the kind of like the war that went on against12200:14:03,520 --> 00:14:14,160comic books. Yeah. And then obviously today it's we kind of got that back. So anyways,12300:14:14,160 --> 00:14:22,160anyways, going back to the back to the subject. Oh, yeah, we get on these little tangents.12400:14:22,160 --> 00:14:27,520Who are we talking about again? William Marston. Right. Yes. Yeah. How is he doing?12500:14:28,640 --> 00:14:35,280Well, he is unfortunately dead currently. Darn. So if he was alive, that would be amazing. Right.12600:14:35,840 --> 00:14:42,640Like someone would be studying him because he'd be really old. Right. He'd be very old.12700:14:42,640 --> 00:14:48,880But I do want to I do want to paint a picture around the time that he was born and kind of12800:14:48,880 --> 00:14:55,120growing up because this was a different America. Oh, yeah. And this was something that I struggled12900:14:55,120 --> 00:15:02,480to kind of wrap my head around because we think about America like freedom and you know, you can13000:15:02,480 --> 00:15:11,440be who you want to be kind of the America that William Marston was born into is not America today.13100:15:11,440 --> 00:15:19,600So for instance, just for some kind of paint paint a picture, your World War I started in 1914.13200:15:20,720 --> 00:15:28,480Child labor laws did not go into effect until 1938. So you had children working in factories.13300:15:28,480 --> 00:15:36,480Geez, William. Women did not have the right to vote until 1920. Cars were not mass produced until13400:15:36,480 --> 00:15:45,6001908. Years like years a really big one for me states that were not states yet. Utah, Oklahoma,13500:15:45,600 --> 00:15:53,840New Mexico, Arizona, Alaska, Hawaii. That's like kind of kind of crazy thing about.13600:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,080This is a different time. The country is a lot smaller.13700:15:58,080 --> 00:16:06,720Yeah. And also in 1872, federal law granted the right for education free from sex discrimination,13800:16:06,720 --> 00:16:12,400but many colleges refused to admit female students and women did not start attending colleges13900:16:13,280 --> 00:16:20,320and mass numbers until the 1920s. I'm surprised that he actually wrote Wonder Woman because it14000:16:20,320 --> 00:16:26,480seems like that was like empowering women when it seems like everyone was like, oh,14100:16:26,480 --> 00:16:33,840when it seems like everyone else in the country, probably a lot of men were trying to shut women14200:16:33,840 --> 00:16:45,600down. A lot of men were. However, we do see a massive push and fight to get women like equal14300:16:45,600 --> 00:16:51,280rights. So we are going to kind of introduce a couple of characters who very much want to shut14400:16:51,280 --> 00:17:00,320women down. However, you see a large group of people fighting for women's rights, just like today.14500:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,360Right. We have, we have a lot of, and that's what's like really interesting to me is like14600:17:05,360 --> 00:17:11,680the parallels because the cause for the fight might change, but we are still fighting today14700:17:11,680 --> 00:17:18,400for similar topics. Like for instance, trans rights, we are still, this is an active discussion,14800:17:18,400 --> 00:17:25,600right? There's a large group of people that believe that trans people should not have certain rights.14900:17:25,600 --> 00:17:30,160However, there's a large group of us that are pushing and trying to make sure that15000:17:31,360 --> 00:17:36,000that trans people have the same rights as everyone else. So it's kind of very similar to15100:17:36,000 --> 00:17:42,000today, like how we're fighting. So I'm wondering if a comic book is going to come out. It does seem15200:17:42,000 --> 00:17:47,840like, like when there's like big movements for people's rights and like fighting for rights,15300:17:47,840 --> 00:17:54,320that there's usually some kind of hero figure that is like, and it's specifically like some15400:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,680kind of comic book hero. So for instance, I believe for a past couple of years now, DC,15500:18:00,960 --> 00:18:07,680Marvel might do it as well. I don't, I'm not as familiar, but DC has every year during a pride15600:18:07,680 --> 00:18:14,880month, they do DC pride where they talk about their, their gay superheroes, or they do like an15700:18:14,880 --> 00:18:22,080alternate universe where certain superheroes will be gay or anything or something like that. So15800:18:25,200 --> 00:18:32,160I didn't know that. Yeah, that's interesting. Wow. I have to check that out sometime.15900:18:32,720 --> 00:18:42,000Yeah, actually, one of the one of the artists for, I believe last year's DC pride edition,16000:18:42,000 --> 00:18:47,280they were at Comic Con. We actually walked past their booth. Oh yeah, they were like doing like16100:18:47,280 --> 00:18:51,280a little lunch break or something. We didn't get, we didn't get a chance to go see them because16200:18:51,280 --> 00:18:58,160we're so there's an overwhelming amount of things there. William Marston was there. Just kidding.16300:18:58,160 --> 00:19:08,960He was not. He was, he's, he's dead. Okay, so going, going back to William Marston. So his mother was16400:19:08,960 --> 00:19:14,880a school teacher. His father was a wool merchant. That's another like weird thing to think about16500:19:14,880 --> 00:19:24,320that you had merchants like for wool, like a wool merchant. He met his future wife,16600:19:24,320 --> 00:19:33,200Sadie Holloway in the eighth grade. He was born into what is known as the molten castle.16700:19:33,200 --> 00:19:40,000A castle. Yeah. So he came from money. He did come from money. That's, I mean, that's something to16800:19:40,000 --> 00:19:46,560note. Like someone from what we know about him so far, it sounds like he was a big supporter of16900:19:46,560 --> 00:19:52,400women's rights and then in, but he also has, he's come from wealth and not like. I think there's a17000:19:52,400 --> 00:20:00,000little bit difference than growing up in wealth and I was born in a castle. Yeah. Like there's a17100:20:00,000 --> 00:20:06,400little, there's a step. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I guess that's true. There's like, you're like,17200:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,320yeah, I was born into wealth and you live in like a big house and then someone comes by and they're17300:20:10,320 --> 00:20:20,240like, I was born in a castle. Yeah. Yeah. Castle. But also it was back then. So maybe when you're17400:20:20,240 --> 00:20:25,680wealthy, that's what you owned was a castle. Like that's, that's mansion status right there. Right.17500:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,560Right. Jenny, it's a castle.17600:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,320I mean, if you look at some mansions, say they look like castles, I know we're getting off subject,17700:20:36,320 --> 00:20:43,360but I'm kind of passionate about those. So let's just say instead of having a silver spoon17800:20:43,360 --> 00:20:50,640in his mouth, he had the entire silver spoon set. So it makes sense. He was well off, but17900:20:50,640 --> 00:20:55,520it didn't seem like it got to his head from what we've been talking about so far. And something18000:20:55,520 --> 00:21:02,000that's like kind of key to note here is because he did fight for women's rights. Is there a parallel18100:21:02,000 --> 00:21:11,280between fighting for equality and education? Right. So he had access to education and he18200:21:11,280 --> 00:21:17,920did become very educated. Is there a parallel between those of us that are very well educated18300:21:17,920 --> 00:21:23,440and believing in equality? That's, that's, that's really, really good point.18400:21:23,440 --> 00:21:30,480Are you suggesting that only dumb people want people to stay?18500:21:31,840 --> 00:21:32,960Segregated. Yeah.18600:21:36,080 --> 00:21:42,880I'm not saying that. So I have thought about this before and because I don't understand18700:21:43,760 --> 00:21:49,760how, so back then people were fighting for women's rights. And that's like, we talked about18800:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,880William Marsden's very big supporter of women's rights, big trying to make big moves with18900:21:54,880 --> 00:22:04,560Wonder Woman in that sense. And it's just crazy that like, like people that are highly intelligent19000:22:04,560 --> 00:22:11,120have a lot of school background or just very well studied always are in support of humans19100:22:11,120 --> 00:22:19,120having equal rights to other humans, which I don't understand why people who are fighting19200:22:19,120 --> 00:22:28,640against humans having equal rights as other humans want to like oppose that. It's like,19300:22:28,640 --> 00:22:36,160it's not like we're like, Hey, my dog, he wears sweaters now. So I kind of would like him to19400:22:36,160 --> 00:22:41,680be able to vote like, Hey, let's let them have equal rights to humans. It's like, no, we're asking19500:22:42,400 --> 00:22:50,880for you to treat other humans like you want to be treated. And, and it's like, even back then, like19600:22:50,880 --> 00:22:58,320William Marsden, like women's rights, it's, we've been fighting, constantly fighting. It's just19700:22:58,320 --> 00:23:03,840changes. It just changes from the demographic. It's always changing the demographic. Like, Oh,19800:23:03,840 --> 00:23:09,040let's go. Someone's like, let's target this, these people now. Oh, we lost out last fight. Let's19900:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,840target these people now. You know, it's like, it's always a battle for someone. You know,20000:23:14,320 --> 00:23:20,560it's just crazy how many people show up to fight against that fight, like with their torches and20100:23:20,560 --> 00:23:27,920pitchforks, like, yeah. Why are there so many people against equality? I don't understand.20200:23:27,920 --> 00:23:35,280And again, is it a, is it an education issue? I know for, for me personally, growing up very poor,20300:23:36,480 --> 00:23:43,440being around when I was a child, being around the group that I was around, they were very20400:23:43,440 --> 00:23:50,160uneducated and it seemed like that was where the majority of the conspiracy theories were coming20500:23:50,160 --> 00:23:57,680about. I also feel like it's also where the majority of the arguments of everything being20600:23:57,680 --> 00:24:05,200kind of like face, sorry, faith based came from. Right. So I was raised very strictly that20700:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,800gay people were living in a life of sin and they were going to burn to hell.20800:24:12,320 --> 00:24:18,560It wasn't really open for a debate. Like that was a fact. And then it was like,20900:24:18,560 --> 00:24:25,520it was a fact. And then you don't hear a lot about like other religions or anything,21000:24:26,400 --> 00:24:32,080but when you go to college and you have to take these other classes and you have to21100:24:32,800 --> 00:24:38,640kind of develop a critical thinking mindset and you're taking classes on other religions21200:24:39,040 --> 00:24:46,160and you're kind of like opening your world up to other ideas. You start thinking on your own21300:24:46,160 --> 00:24:51,360and you start looking and you start like forming your own opinions. So for me,21400:24:52,560 --> 00:24:57,840I stopped kind of like listening to my church and also those crazy conspiracies21500:24:59,040 --> 00:25:06,800and I started forming my own ideas and kind of my own thought process. You broke away from the herd21600:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,760of sheep to become your own. You're not following that shepherd anymore. You're doing your own21700:25:11,760 --> 00:25:16,960thing. You're like, you know what? I'm a sheep and I'm gonna go do my own thing. I'm gonna go eat21800:25:16,960 --> 00:25:22,480some grass over there. And you guys can follow that dude. And that's why religious people like to ban21900:25:23,360 --> 00:25:28,800access to that type of education because they know as soon as someone becomes educated on these22000:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,360subjects, they're like, nah, I'm out. We're not saying religious bad or anything, but some people22100:25:33,360 --> 00:25:38,000feel like it's a waste of time when you could be doing other things like working instead of going22200:25:38,000 --> 00:25:43,680to church or spending time with your family or doing more productive things with the one life22300:25:43,680 --> 00:25:50,960that you have. I think this dates way back in history. For instance, I believe King Henry the22400:25:50,960 --> 00:26:01,760Eighth made it illegal to publish the Bible in any language other than Latin. And it was mainly22500:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,960because he wanted to, I don't know if he like sat down and thought about it like this, but mainly22600:26:06,960 --> 00:26:12,400wanted it to be something where only the church could read it. And you had to go to church and22700:26:12,400 --> 00:26:20,320you had to listen to somebody explain the Bible to you. So maintaining control, maintaining power22800:26:20,320 --> 00:26:28,720was making sure that the mass majority of people did not have access to education. And that's how22900:26:28,720 --> 00:26:36,320I view it. That's my own personal kind of belief. It just goes full circle back to education. The23000:26:36,320 --> 00:26:44,560lack of it, the fact that people are fine without having it. And the fact that it is locked behind23100:26:45,120 --> 00:26:53,440a money door. I feel like it should be accessible to anyone because that's important.23200:26:54,640 --> 00:27:01,200You have a lot more pawns if you don't train them to become bishops or rooks or knights.23300:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,520It's is that is that your own saying? Would you?23400:27:06,800 --> 00:27:12,400Is that a saying from somewhere? That's a chess mentality. I mean, that's I mean, that's I said23500:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,880that right now. Oh, I like that. That was good. OK, I mean, I know it's just a chess thing.23600:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,440Thank you. It was a good is a good. Yeah, I'll quote you on that. Can you say it one more time23700:27:21,440 --> 00:27:27,440for me? Oh, you're going to make me do that. No, I'm just kidding. We'll turn it into a T-shirt.23800:27:27,440 --> 00:27:34,000OK, well, there we go. It'll just say pawns, rooks and knights. And that's it. And it's a natural23900:27:34,000 --> 00:27:42,320song. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Quote me. OK, so going back to William Marston.24000:27:45,360 --> 00:27:50,640So in high school, he was six feet tall, weighing one hundred and eighty four pounds.24100:27:50,640 --> 00:27:57,760He was a class president. He was a class historian. He was president of the Literary Club.24200:27:57,760 --> 00:28:04,240He was editor in chief of the school newspaper. He was a football player his senior year. He they24300:28:04,240 --> 00:28:11,040actually won the state championship. And in in school, he became an activist for women's rights.24400:28:11,040 --> 00:28:19,280He presided over a debate in women's suffrage. Holy shit. He was fighting for women's rights in24500:28:19,280 --> 00:28:26,160high school. I think that's where the idea first started. Right. With this kind of debate. I'm24600:28:26,160 --> 00:28:31,040really into like debate stuff. Like I was really into that in high school and like hearing that.24700:28:31,040 --> 00:28:37,680That's that's amazing. Like he was young and still motivated to fight for other people's rights. That24800:28:37,680 --> 00:28:43,680is not he's not a woman. He's not a girl. He's not not female. He's fighting for female rights.24900:28:43,680 --> 00:28:50,480Jenny does like to argue. I do. I do. I'm very passionate about that. She knows she's not always25000:28:50,480 --> 00:28:57,200good at it. She does like that. Yeah. She knows something. So a few points here. One,25100:28:59,280 --> 00:29:06,800I do believe in any movement. You do need allies that are not specifically in your movement to25200:29:06,800 --> 00:29:17,680help move that along. For example. Right. For instance, you know, for LGBT, it helps to have25300:29:17,680 --> 00:29:23,760allies that are not in your community. Like, oh, yeah, business, business leaders, things like that,25400:29:23,760 --> 00:29:30,560that can help you, for instance, maybe financially or get the word out. Or just the fact that other25500:29:30,560 --> 00:29:35,120people that aren't part of the community can see that. Oh, wow. They're friends with.25600:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,400Oh, wow. They're friends with, you know, trans people or people with the BDSM community,25700:29:40,400 --> 00:29:46,160and they have a normal friendship. Yeah. What the heck? What? They're normal people in the world.25800:29:47,040 --> 00:29:54,080What? Right. And I think I think that helps. And then also another point I want to point out25900:29:54,640 --> 00:30:03,680is when I read about William Marston in the beginning, he was kind of painted as this like26000:30:03,680 --> 00:30:09,520he was a go getter. Anything he set his mind to, he was going to achieve. He was if he was on the26100:30:09,520 --> 00:30:15,120football team, he was, you know, they were going to win state championship. If he was going to26200:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,840like run for student government, he was going to be the president. If he was going to go going to26300:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,760go to college, he was going to go to Harvard, he was going to get multiple degrees. Like this was26400:30:23,760 --> 00:30:34,960a guy that whatever he set his mind to, he went out and he did it. That's a that's how I took it26500:30:34,960 --> 00:30:41,120reading about him. Yeah, people just like I think they misjudged what he was writing those comics26600:30:41,120 --> 00:30:49,520about because he was doing it for women's rights and pushing the women's rights agenda massively26700:30:49,520 --> 00:30:57,120with that comic book because back then, the only way he saw to put it out there to the mass is26800:30:57,120 --> 00:31:02,320is putting a comic book like there's like the newspaper and comic book and maybe radio.26900:31:02,320 --> 00:31:08,560I'm not exactly sure when, you know, radio broadcasts were an actual thing for like the public.27000:31:08,560 --> 00:31:16,720But like there was not many options. And this one would go to even younger audiences, which is what27100:31:16,720 --> 00:31:22,560he wanted because he wanted younger people to understand that girls that are growing up into27200:31:22,560 --> 00:31:31,280women are equal to men, boys and men. So we'll get into this a little bit later. But I think I think27300:31:31,280 --> 00:31:39,200William Arson had a few different agendas. He wanted women's rights, obviously. He wanted27400:31:39,200 --> 00:31:50,080to show people it was OK for them to express who they were in a like a kink way also.27500:31:50,080 --> 00:32:00,240But like the big the big thing here is because when he first pitched Wonder Woman 2DC27600:32:00,240 --> 00:32:10,000or Detective Comics back in the Detective Comics back in the day, they said no. And they said that27700:32:10,000 --> 00:32:18,480every female superhero comic book failed. And his big thing and what a lot of people hated about27800:32:18,480 --> 00:32:27,440Wonder Woman and kind of fought against it was Wonder Woman being so sexualized. But his big27900:32:27,440 --> 00:32:36,560pitch was that you have to make a female superhero that people want to be. He said the issue with28000:32:36,560 --> 00:32:43,760female superheroes back then was that not even girls, little girls, wanted to be them because28100:32:43,760 --> 00:32:51,600this was back in the day of, you know, you were expected to grow up, bear children, take care of28200:32:51,600 --> 00:32:58,480the household. And you even saw like a lot of female superheroes be very submissive.28300:32:58,480 --> 00:33:05,520And he was like, you know, no one wants to be that way. You know, you want a dominant figure,28400:33:05,520 --> 00:33:11,520right? You want a hero type. You want someone that is dominant. You don't want them essentially very28500:33:11,520 --> 00:33:17,920bulky and manly. You want them sexy. You want them to be a role model in every single way. So28600:33:17,920 --> 00:33:23,840he pitched a female superhero that was sexy, that was dominant, that kicked ass.28700:33:23,840 --> 00:33:32,320Yeah, because like, I mean, growing up as a trans woman, like looking up at looking up to like female28800:33:32,320 --> 00:33:38,560superheroes and stuff, I was like, damn, I want to be her and wear her outfit and be as hot as her28900:33:38,560 --> 00:33:45,040and like, frickin save lives and be heroic. I didn't want to be like a big bulky like Superman,29000:33:45,040 --> 00:33:51,840but be a woman like that was not like you want to be as attractive as them and be as and adapt29100:33:51,840 --> 00:33:57,200their personality, especially when you're younger, you're like, I want to be them. Like, you know,29200:33:57,200 --> 00:34:04,000and so and it's also key to note here that, you know, Wonder Woman is from the Amazon.29300:34:05,680 --> 00:34:12,480But she's not some bulky man like giant buff woman like she's a slender, very attractive woman.29400:34:12,480 --> 00:34:21,840She just looks like some girl that's been hit in the gym. Like, athletic, athletic. Yeah, but not29500:34:21,840 --> 00:34:27,600like a manly type. Like when you look at like Batman and Superman, right? Like, oh, yeah, they're29600:34:27,600 --> 00:34:34,400pure peak masculinity. What? That's interesting. Because like, I know we're getting off subject a29700:34:34,400 --> 00:34:40,160little bit here. But Spider-Man, he's not like peak masculinity. But that's also going to like,29800:34:40,160 --> 00:34:45,600what what the comic is trying to relate to. Yes, target audience. And I think that's what was29900:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,720misunderstood whenever William Marsden was bringing the female superhero, the idea of30000:34:50,720 --> 00:35:02,880Wonder Woman to DC Comics at first was that, like, we want to have a hero that is idolized by by30100:35:02,880 --> 00:35:09,920by girls and women, you know, and that's not typical of comic book heroes at the time, because30200:35:09,920 --> 00:35:17,280it was very much catered towards boys and men, because that's the kind of heroes that were like,30300:35:18,160 --> 00:35:24,800like, big muscular men or, you know, like, freaking Spider-Man or something, you know.30400:35:24,800 --> 00:35:34,720I just want to see all of these failed female superheroes. I'm curious, like, maid woman,30500:35:35,680 --> 00:35:46,640secretary lady. I, I hate to say this. Don't tell me they exist. But well, I mean, they still do.30600:35:46,640 --> 00:35:56,720However, the point I was getting at was we actually see we see Wonder Woman turn into that30700:35:57,680 --> 00:36:03,920after William passes away. Really? There's a there's a there's a period in time30800:36:04,880 --> 00:36:11,680where Wonder Woman becomes a more secretary position of the Justice League. Oh, yeah.30900:36:11,680 --> 00:36:19,040Yeah. Yeah. But she now like, I don't know how recent was, but whenever they started redoing31000:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,600the Wonder Woman series, they they're now like the movie there. They're more into like,31100:36:24,640 --> 00:36:32,560representing it as how William Marston. Right? Yes. So obviously, she's a she's a kickass badass31200:36:32,560 --> 00:36:41,200today. The movement to try to revive her image, I believe, started in the 70s. Oh, okay. But there31300:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,320is a period of time where I assume it started with the comics, of course. Yeah. But there is there is31400:36:46,320 --> 00:36:52,400a period of time where you see Wonder Woman holding down the headquarters of the Justice League while31500:36:53,120 --> 00:37:00,320Batman and Superman went off to fight. And she tidied up. Nice maid woman, maid woman.31600:37:01,040 --> 00:37:08,080And she still had her sexy outfit on the right. She lost a little bit of her sexy outfit. There's31700:37:08,080 --> 00:37:15,120there's we'll get into it. So they like made her more conservative after he passed away to that's31800:37:15,120 --> 00:37:20,800like the greatest there there's a whole there's a whole list of things that happened. There was31900:37:20,800 --> 00:37:35,280actually a lawsuit between DC Comics and America and America, all of America. Wow. That that they32000:37:35,280 --> 00:37:40,400lost and they had to kind of go back and change a few things. And we'll we'll take a deeper dive32100:37:40,400 --> 00:37:46,800into that. Oh, yeah, this is this is all stuff to come. Yeah, way Mars is going to be a little bit32200:37:46,800 --> 00:37:52,640of an ongoing series for a couple episodes. Yes, sprinkled in with other episodes out there.32300:37:52,640 --> 00:38:00,240Correct. So where are we at in the timeline? So I want to talk about women's suffrage.32400:38:00,240 --> 00:38:05,360Right. When I say that, when I read that for the first time, I didn't I've never heard of that term.32500:38:05,360 --> 00:38:14,640I was just curiously, do you guys know what women's suffrage is? Wazing. So basically,32600:38:15,200 --> 00:38:23,920is it just like the highlights of our inequality? So over time? Yeah. So basically, women's suffrage32700:38:23,920 --> 00:38:29,440was a movement to try to get women the right to vote. The American suffrage movement became32800:38:29,440 --> 00:38:36,240began in 1848 with the first women's right convention, which is actually told in Wonder32900:38:36,240 --> 00:38:47,600Women comics. And in 1903, a British woman named Emeline Prankhurst. I am so sorry, but butchered.33000:38:49,360 --> 00:38:55,440She's still around? No. Okay. She's not going to be upset about it then. So she found she founded33100:38:55,440 --> 00:39:02,080she founded the women's social and political union whose motto was deeds, not words, which33200:39:02,800 --> 00:39:12,720I just I love because I, I sit on a few different kind of committees and boards and I was in student33300:39:12,720 --> 00:39:18,720government in college and I get so frustrated because I feel like we just sit around and talk33400:39:18,720 --> 00:39:24,080so much. And I'm like, I'm always the guy that's like, okay, like, let's, what are we going to do?33500:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,760What are we going to do? Like, let's stop talking about it. Let's go do stuff. And that was her33600:39:28,480 --> 00:39:39,040very much her motto. In 1999, she was named one of the 100 most important people of the 20th33700:39:39,040 --> 00:39:48,720century for her work. And what's interesting here is that William Marston is born right at the time33800:39:48,720 --> 00:39:57,600of women's rights. So what's very interesting is that he was in the right area and born at the33900:39:57,600 --> 00:40:08,720right time to be so involved. For instance, we'll get into this, but the the debates that he sees34000:40:10,160 --> 00:40:15,040movies are just becoming a thing. So for him to jump into universal for script writing,34100:40:15,040 --> 00:40:20,400he was like right there at the right time. He, he was at Harvard right at the right time.34200:40:21,360 --> 00:40:28,320He met the right people, everything. He was just essentially born at the right time34300:40:29,440 --> 00:40:36,400to create Wonder Woman, to create this hero that they desperately needed at the time.34400:40:36,400 --> 00:40:46,720Yeah. And even to this day, like girls, women, boys, everyone sees Wonder Woman as like this34500:40:46,720 --> 00:40:52,240iconic superhero. Look up to Wonder Woman. And I would be curious of like how many,34600:40:52,240 --> 00:40:58,400how many female superheroes do we have today that are kind of inspired by Wonder Woman? For instance,34700:40:58,400 --> 00:41:05,760when you watch Star Wars, right? Like Princess Leia, she's, she's not your victim. Even when34800:41:06,320 --> 00:41:13,840she's being saved from the Empire or whatever, like she's, she's actually like with her blaster,34900:41:13,840 --> 00:41:20,800she's shooting people and she's like this way. And Luke Skywalker and Han Solo are just like,35000:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,760who is this person that we're trying to save? Even when she's chained up to Jabba?35100:41:25,760 --> 00:41:33,200Chained up to Jabba? Come on. I feel like that was a little bit of just35200:41:34,400 --> 00:41:40,720wanting to add some sexuality to the movie. A little bit of kink to it. Yeah. Even though35300:41:40,720 --> 00:41:48,960she was chained up to Jab, Jabba. Yeah. Jabba. Jabba. Yeah, sorry. Jabba. I don't know why I said that.35400:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,440But I'm just curious of like how many- Sorry, Star Wars fans.35500:41:51,440 --> 00:41:57,520I'm just kind of curious of how many like superheroes or kind of badass female figures35600:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,760we have today because of like Wonder Woman back in the day.35700:42:01,760 --> 00:42:11,840Queen Maze. Which would be basically because of woman suffrage. Yeah. Which is nuts because like35800:42:11,840 --> 00:42:18,960the ones that are coming out today that are based on Wonder Woman, like it's, it's all back to that35900:42:18,960 --> 00:42:25,280fight for women's rights. And it's a wonderful thing. It really is. And this is like, this is36000:42:25,280 --> 00:42:31,680still a fight that's ongoing, right? I know. Like with Roe versus Wade being overturned just a couple36100:42:31,680 --> 00:42:38,480of years ago, the fight for women's rights is never kind of going away. Like you'll still see36200:42:38,480 --> 00:42:44,080statistics where men are still earning more than women. You'll still see statistics where like,36300:42:44,080 --> 00:42:52,720for instance, in like engineering or like coding kind of jobs, like that those are male dominated36400:42:53,440 --> 00:42:59,680areas. You'll still hear stuff. For instance, there was a professor I had who got in a lot of36500:42:59,680 --> 00:43:09,040trouble because this was for my electronics degree, my AS in electronics. He got in a lot of trouble36600:43:09,040 --> 00:43:17,360because he flat out to a female student said that, oh, it's good to have you. You have much smaller36700:43:17,360 --> 00:43:22,960hands than the men do. But other than that, I don't know how you're going to do in the workforce.36800:43:26,320 --> 00:43:31,120Yeah. And then what's crazy is he's probably like, this is actually like, I'm, I'm giving her a36900:43:31,120 --> 00:43:38,240compliment. Yeah. Yeah. And then actually even in another kind of situation actually just popped in37000:43:38,240 --> 00:43:47,120my head for my actual engineering degree. Um, there was a professor who he did not think women had the37100:43:47,120 --> 00:43:55,040mental capacity to keep up with men. That's crazy. So it still happens today. It's not, it has not37200:43:55,040 --> 00:44:01,440gone away. There is still very much a lot of work that the women's rights movement has to do. But37300:44:01,440 --> 00:44:09,440look at, I hate to bring it up, but look at the fight that we have to have to let women have37400:44:09,440 --> 00:44:17,760abortions. Yeah. It's nuts. It's it. Well, I want to get much into it because it, it gets me really37500:44:17,760 --> 00:44:23,200upset. We're going to get into it because that actually, that actually came up in the research37600:44:23,200 --> 00:44:28,800and this is all really, yeah, this is what blows my mind is like the parallels between today and37700:44:28,800 --> 00:44:36,320then, and it's, yeah, it's just upsetting. Like it's their body, let them do what they want. Oh,37800:44:36,320 --> 00:44:45,120yeah. Like for real, right? It's our body. Let us do what we want. This applies to everyone.37900:44:45,120 --> 00:44:51,280We have one life. Yeah. You should be allowed to do to your body what you want. Yeah.38000:44:52,800 --> 00:45:02,400So now I want to introduce Wonder Woman herself. Oh, I'm sorry. I meant Sarah Elizabeth Holloway38100:45:03,920 --> 00:45:10,880as she was known or she actually went by Sadie. She was born February 20th,38200:45:10,880 --> 00:45:19,4401893 on the Isle of Man between Britain and Ireland, which interesting. Sounds very interesting.38300:45:20,640 --> 00:45:27,600The Isle of Man. The Isle of Man. That sounds majestic. Yeah. I, as soon as I read it,38400:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,880I was like, I kind of want you want to go. It's just a bunch of, it's just a bunch of shirtless38500:45:32,880 --> 00:45:38,880guys that are like really muscular. Okay. That's not funny. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,38600:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,760I'm like, really muscular. Okay. That's not what I was. It's an island. It looks like I was picturing.38700:45:43,760 --> 00:45:50,640It's an island that looks like a man cave or that it just sounds, it sounds majestic.38800:45:52,320 --> 00:46:00,720Hey, she was raised in Boston, Massachusetts. Her father was a bank clerk and she was a tomboy.38900:46:00,720 --> 00:46:08,160And there is a very interesting story. I want to kind of like paint the picture of how she was39000:46:08,160 --> 00:46:17,840growing up. So there was a story in her own words. Two kids jumped her brother after school one day.39100:46:17,840 --> 00:46:23,840And in her own words, she said, quote, I jumped on their backs and banged their heads into the39200:46:23,840 --> 00:46:34,000pavement. Damn. So she, she defended her brother and fought off these two kids. Basically Wonder39300:46:34,000 --> 00:46:42,320Woman. Yeah. At a young age. And we, we do, it is heavily theorized that Wonder Woman is based off39400:46:42,320 --> 00:46:49,200of Sadie Holloway. That would make sense. Heavily theorized. Makes sense. So something that's very39500:46:49,200 --> 00:46:56,960important about like the women's rights issue. No surprise has to do with birth control. So39600:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,960of course about that family. You said this has to do with birth control. Oh yeah. Birth control.39700:47:02,960 --> 00:47:14,800Still. Still. Wow. Yeah. Still a hot topic. For like a full century. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.39800:47:16,080 --> 00:47:22,320So only. It sucks. It is, it is important to note during this timeframe, it was illegal39900:47:22,320 --> 00:47:34,880to educate or hand out items such as condoms. Or anything that educated on safe sex. Correct.40000:47:35,440 --> 00:47:41,840What? You can say yes. That's nuts. And actually, I mean, what I keep saying it, but we'll,40100:47:42,640 --> 00:47:48,720we'll get into that a little bit more. Maybe possibly the next episode. But yeah, it was,40200:47:48,720 --> 00:47:53,200you could go to jail and we actually, we're actually going to bring up somebody that went40300:47:53,200 --> 00:48:03,760to jail for trying to educate people about condoms. Was, so what was the stance on abortion back then40400:48:03,760 --> 00:48:13,600when birth control and safe sex was like frowned upon? So let me, let me tell you about abortions.40500:48:13,600 --> 00:48:21,120So that family, that family where the kids jumped her brother, they were from a poor Irish family.40600:48:21,920 --> 00:48:28,000And a little bit later after that incident, their mother would die when she accidentally40700:48:28,000 --> 00:48:35,600pushed a wire through her cervix, trying to self abort a child that she could not afford.40800:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,120Wow. So that was your abortion.40900:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,120So they had the right to do it, but you it's still locked behind.41000:48:43,920 --> 00:48:49,760Oh no, they did not have the right to do it. But people try to take it into their own hands or41100:48:50,720 --> 00:48:57,040you would much have like a, I don't know, like a shady alleyway doctor that would try to do41200:48:57,040 --> 00:49:02,640essentially the same thing. Yeah. So someone that has probably experienced it does it on the side,41300:49:02,640 --> 00:49:09,760like kind of thing. Yeah. That's nuts. So like abortion was frowned upon, but you still couldn't41400:49:09,760 --> 00:49:16,960have safe sex. So you had to have a baby. It was like, you, if you're a woman and you have eggs,41500:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,680you're having babies no matter what. And you couldn't check on the reviews from these41600:49:21,680 --> 00:49:27,200alleyway doctors. Yeah. There was no like Angie's list or Yelp or anything like that. You just had41700:49:27,200 --> 00:49:37,440to hope and pray. But I think like the, the big thing here is this comes mainly from a faith based41800:49:37,440 --> 00:49:45,760kind of thing where sex should not be something that's pleasurable. It should only be for41900:49:45,760 --> 00:49:52,000reproduction, which is, I feel like that's very primitive thinking it is. And actually, so something42000:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,920that we're kind of talking about is doing a kind of a book club. And there's a wonderful book that42100:49:57,920 --> 00:50:06,240kind of goes through the history of coming from a sex positive culture to a like, you know, sex is42200:50:06,240 --> 00:50:13,600a sin culture to like where we are today. It's, it's really amazing. So maybe we'll kind of kick42300:50:13,600 --> 00:50:26,720that off here soon, but anyways, so yeah, it was actually in 1873, the calm, calm stock act. That42400:50:26,720 --> 00:50:36,640just sounds way too, way too close to like come, come stock, calm stock. I mean, honestly, when42500:50:36,640 --> 00:50:44,880you're saying, I was like, I don't come, you said what I, you had me at come stock. I'm a, I'm an42600:50:44,880 --> 00:50:54,560engineer. Okay. So in 1873, the calm stock act actually passed making it illegal to mail42700:50:56,000 --> 00:51:03,280contraception items or materials to educate people on contraception, meaning it was illegal to male42800:51:03,280 --> 00:51:10,640information about birth control or male condoms or birth control, et cetera. So of any kind of any42900:51:10,640 --> 00:51:21,840kind that was in 1873, which is very interesting to me because I feel like the country was very43000:51:21,840 --> 00:51:32,720behind on education of safe sex. And then obviously we see the AIDS pandemic hit, you know, and I kind43100:51:32,720 --> 00:51:38,560of wonder if we started off from a society of like a very like, you know, safe sex really kind of43200:51:38,560 --> 00:51:44,960pushing that what would have happened with the AIDS pandemic? I just don't understand why43300:51:44,960 --> 00:51:52,480people are so against learning safe sex to be like, why are we so focused on procreating?43400:51:53,680 --> 00:52:02,880Again, I think that's religion. No. So one key component in this entire series that you're going43500:52:02,880 --> 00:52:12,480to kind of see come about is the Catholic church. And I, I hate to, I hate to say this, but I think43600:52:12,480 --> 00:52:20,800the Catholic church is like the villain of this story, but we'll see it much later. The Catholic43700:52:20,800 --> 00:52:32,560church goes to war against comic books. So that's such a ridiculous like thought, like, but I mean,43800:52:32,560 --> 00:52:40,400they were like actively trying to shut down comics completely. Yeah. Because of the freedom43900:52:40,400 --> 00:52:46,960that people had to express ideas that weren't accepted by. Well, I guess I should clarify.44000:52:46,960 --> 00:52:54,320Maybe it's not to shut down comics completely, you know, but it was to limit what you could do44100:52:54,320 --> 00:53:01,360with the comic. Yeah. Like, which is still limiting free speech in some way. Like Charlie Brown,44200:53:01,360 --> 00:53:12,640like Charlie Brown, probably fine. A wonderful graphic novel series called Sunstone. Not okay.44300:53:13,280 --> 00:53:18,880I have no idea what that is, but Sunstone, we will have to talk stuff from Pokemon, right? No.44400:53:23,040 --> 00:53:28,240I know my evolutionary stones. I know there's some of you out there that are like, I know exactly44500:53:28,240 --> 00:53:34,160what Jay is talking about. And yes, we'll cover it in a different. It is a graphic novel that you44600:53:34,160 --> 00:53:43,840can buy on Amazon. That is a BDSM based. Okay. Yeah. Anyways, so I do want to wrap up real quick,44700:53:45,200 --> 00:53:51,040an interesting little segment about William's childhood. And then next time we'll probably44800:53:51,040 --> 00:54:01,280start off with, um, their time in college. So, so William's childhood, he was not shielded from any44900:54:01,280 --> 00:54:06,720gruesome reality of the world around him either. Uh, his neighbor actually killed himself by45000:54:06,720 --> 00:54:12,240slitting his own throat. And then this is something that evidently really stuck with William. He45100:54:12,240 --> 00:54:17,600believed that if he wasn't going to do anything noteworthy in his life, that he would simply kill45200:54:17,600 --> 00:54:25,360himself. Um, when he was a freshman, actually at Harvard studying law, he decided he was going to45300:54:25,360 --> 00:54:32,720kill himself after not doing so well in school at the age of 18 and 1911, William attained acid45400:54:32,720 --> 00:54:39,040to commit suicide. Now what's interesting about this is that we know that William liked the book45500:54:39,040 --> 00:54:47,760Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and spoiler alert, Dr. Hyde kills himself in the same way in the book. And45600:54:47,760 --> 00:54:55,520also throwing in a fun fact here in the 1942 February issue of sensation comics, which is45700:54:56,240 --> 00:55:02,080featured one Wonder Woman before she had her own comic. Wonder Woman's first villain is actually45800:55:02,080 --> 00:55:10,800called Dr. Poison. Oh wow. And this is something that we see like William, he takes inspiration45900:55:10,800 --> 00:55:18,400from his personal life and puts it into his comics. Like, so you're going to see villains come about46000:55:18,400 --> 00:55:27,440that were very anti women's rights. He'll write them into the comic. Um, he writes his children46100:55:27,440 --> 00:55:35,280into the comic. So he pulls on things that he personally knows about her as seeing things that46200:55:35,280 --> 00:55:44,560are happening in his real life. Yeah. So you said acid. Yes. So maybe not try to confuse the46300:55:44,560 --> 00:55:53,600audience with acid. Yes. So a poison acid, not a like, you know, dropping acid and having fun, but46400:55:53,600 --> 00:56:04,000a poisonous acid. Okay. Wow. So sounds like it was a impactful time in his life. And that what the46500:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,640Jekyll and Hyde book he was reading. Yes. Was very impactful in his life, it seems because like,46600:56:08,640 --> 00:56:15,120it stood with him until adulthood. Yes. So this is something that's like very interesting to me when46700:56:15,120 --> 00:56:20,800I'm when I read about William Marston, because the research that I'm reading about, obviously a lot46800:56:20,800 --> 00:56:28,800of it's coming from like his personal journals, things like that. William Marston, you learn has a46900:56:30,400 --> 00:56:42,960duality, kind of like a flashy philosophy side to him. What do you mean? Essentially that he might47000:56:42,960 --> 00:56:52,800be like, kind of overplaying certain aspects when he when he's like recalling his life. So he might47100:56:52,800 --> 00:56:57,040be dramatizing it, I think is what I'm trying to say. He adds a little bit of flair to his47200:56:57,040 --> 00:57:01,200storytelling. This is exaggerating. Yeah, you wrote comics. That's that's understandable.47300:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,840Speculation says that he might be exaggerating. Yeah, he might be exaggerating. And that's that's47400:57:05,840 --> 00:57:12,320something to note is that none of these people are alive. So we are we are dependent on the47500:57:12,320 --> 00:57:21,040dependent on their writings. So any one of us, if we have a journal or whatever, we can go back47600:57:21,040 --> 00:57:29,120and write something from our point of view, which would be not factual. Yes. So it's it's47700:57:29,120 --> 00:57:35,680important to remember that when we're kind of talking about William Marston. Yeah, we're getting47800:57:35,680 --> 00:57:42,720we're getting like maybe like a one sided view of things or maybe a destroyed distorted view.47900:57:42,720 --> 00:57:51,040So that makes sense. Anyways, um, yeah, so next time we'll pick up in with William going to college48000:57:51,040 --> 00:57:56,880and we'll kind of see where he goes from there. I'm excited to hear more. Yeah. Yeah, same here.48100:57:56,880 --> 00:58:03,040William Marston is a juicy subject. Yeah, it's a it's a very interesting subject. It's not as48200:58:03,040 --> 00:58:09,840juicy as I thought it was going to be from a kink point of view. But it's still very I learned so48300:58:09,840 --> 00:58:15,760much about like the the women's rights movement from this research than I ever have. So I think48400:58:15,760 --> 00:58:21,920it's still very much worth telling. Yeah, women's rights deals with all of us because women are part48500:58:21,920 --> 00:58:28,960of each and every one of our lives. So yeah, very important subject. And also, he's part of the BDSM48600:58:28,960 --> 00:58:35,760community and polyamorous. So he's got some things to relate to us. Yeah. Yeah, definitely a lot of48700:58:35,760 --> 00:58:42,480relatable content for me for sure. I'm excited to dive more into it. Thank you for joining us.48800:58:42,480 --> 00:58:48,480It's been on natural some covering William Marston. Stay tuned for part two when we cover more about48900:58:48,480 --> 00:58:55,920his college and adult life. This has been Jenny banks, and I'm signing off. Stay kinky. Until next49000:58:55,920 --> 00:59:05,760time.