Episode 4: William Marston Pt1 - Wonder Woman and kink?

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Disclaimer. This podcast features explicit language and discussion sexual in nature. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,560 It may contain subjects uncomfortable to some. Please understand the opinions shared on this 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:15,600 podcast are not a representation of any organization or employer the hosts may be a part of. 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:25,200 Welcome to the Natural Assum podcast. Welcome back. We are here talking about what we're talking 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:33,920 about today, Jay. We are talking about William Marston. Oh, yes. Who's that? We're going to 6 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,840 get into that. We're going to cover that. That's that's what we are here to talk about today. Oh, 7 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:42,640 okay. So that kind of makes sense. Jenny's being coy. We did we did watch the movie. 8 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:50,000 Yes. So this is very interesting. I'm sure like many of our followers out there, 9 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:57,520 if you know the name William Marston, it is from the movie William Marston and the Wonder Women. 10 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:06,400 And the whole premise is that the creator of Wonder Woman, he was in a poly relationship BDSM 11 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,640 kind of themed. This was something that was like really shocking to me because obviously, 12 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,840 you know, I know of Wonder Woman. And when I when I saw the movie, I was like, oh my gosh, 13 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:23,600 this is amazing. I had no idea about all the struggles of getting Wonder Woman out there. 14 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:31,360 You know, him being in a poly relationship, him like having this kinky side. I was like, 15 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:37,440 this guy's my hero. Right. In like a nutshell. And I was like, let's I want to dive deep. I want to 16 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:50,400 like research this. And then reality kicked in. And much like everything, I found out that Hollywood 17 00:01:50,400 --> 00:02:01,680 kind of took some liberties. I was kind of expecting kind of a story more kinky and more, 18 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:08,240 you know, poly kind of based. However, looking into it, it actually became and this was this is 19 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:14,240 not a bad thing at all. Like it actually really surprised me. It's more focused around women's 20 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:20,720 rights. So all the research I did, it's heavy that the history of Wonder Woman is so embedded into 21 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:28,080 like women's rights. And so at first, I was like, there's not much kink to the story. However, 22 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:35,200 I did love the story. I still wanted to kind of share the research that I've done. So just to 23 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:40,720 give you an idea, our sources. So obviously there's the movie William Marston and the Wonder 24 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:50,560 Women. The main book is entitled The Secret History of Wonder Woman by Jill Lepore. I don't 25 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:55,760 know if I pronounced that wrong. I am so sorry. I'm a numbers guy, not a butchered than that. 26 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:03,760 Maybe. Yeah. If you write a book and I read it, I might butcher your name. I'm sorry. 27 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:13,840 So sorry to all the authors out there. Sorry. So and we do have the book Emotions of Normal 28 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:22,880 People wrote by William Marston. I really tried to read this book. However, you know, this is, 29 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,600 I believe it was written like the 30s or the 40s and it's a psychology book. So there was a 30 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:33,760 lot of skimming involved with that. And then we also looked into Wonder Woman, The Golden Age, 31 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:41,040 volume one. And those are the the comics specifically wrote by William Marston. So 32 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:47,760 that's kind of the research that we did want to share that. And something I do want to point out 33 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:57,600 is there's so much content for the book, The Secret History of Wonder Woman. It's impossible 34 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:04,720 to share on this podcast. There's a lot of stuff that we left out. So yeah, I remember you bringing 35 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:10,560 up the subject of William Marston. You're like, there's a lot. Right. So it's overwhelming. Even 36 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:17,840 even with me leaving out content, I still had, for instance, 30 pages, I am not exaggerating 30 37 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:27,200 pages of typed notes. And then from that, I even narrowed some of that down 30, 30 pages of typed 38 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:34,720 notes. She's so much that does not you are committed. You are absolutely I mean, it's a 39 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,920 juicy subject for someone that's especially for you because you're you're, you know, kind of taking 40 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:45,680 a deep dive into the BDSM community with the podcast and just because of your own curiosity 41 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:50,320 is and what you've been through in life. So yeah, this is probably a good stepping stone to like, 42 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:59,120 understanding, especially back then, of how, you know, having that kind of lifestyle can be like, 43 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:06,240 and also having that influence of like, holy shit, he wrote the comic books that like I, 44 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:11,680 like, I don't know if you enjoyed Wonder Woman, but I certainly did. So I didn't and I didn't even 45 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,560 know, like, I seen some of the old comics, I didn't even know I thought that was just part of 46 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:21,920 Wonder Woman didn't know is like, there's a background to it. I will say like, growing up, 47 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:31,520 I was never a super fan of Wonder Woman. Right. I was a my two main superheroes were Batman and the 48 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:39,280 Flash. The Flash I started running when I was in second grade and I was like, okay, okay, he runs 49 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:45,200 fast. He's he's kind of nerdy. Wow. You're on the track team. You're like, I'm Flash. Batman's cool. 50 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:52,800 And then Batman. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The Batman, obviously, you know, essentially anyone can be 51 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:59,120 Batman. Yes, if you have enough money. Anyone. I don't think anybody can be Batman. If okay. 52 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:07,520 If what's his name can be Batman. Twilight. What is his name? Robert Pattinson. If he can be Batman. 53 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:13,520 I'm Finch and Ben Affleck can be Batman. I'm not Batman. Can they though? Anyone can be Batman. 54 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:20,080 So yeah, I, for me, I think the the draw for Batman, right, is that he lives a double lifestyle. 55 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:30,000 So does he really? Yeah, I guess he does. Yeah. So by mostly just Batman. Right. But by by day, he's a 56 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:37,920 kind of famous, well known, successful businessman. And then at night, he, you know, dresses up in 57 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:45,600 latex and fights crime and dresses up in latex, latex, and sometimes I mean, sometimes he has 58 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:52,160 nipples, sometimes he has, which was very bad, nipples, very awkward, very awkward time. And then 59 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:59,360 he gets he gets tied up by beautiful women in latex and outfits. It's great. I yeah, I don't know 60 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:05,600 what sort of like parallels between me and, you know, Batman. I don't know why I am the way that 61 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:10,480 I am today. Maybe my childhood. I have no idea. I don't know. Maybe the cartoons you watched and 62 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:16,720 consumed. No, I'm just kidding that. I'm pretty sure that had nothing to do with it. But so Wonder Woman. 63 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:23,760 So Wonder Woman. All right. So who is William Marston? So let's kind of like jump in. 64 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:34,000 William Moulton Marston was born on May 9th, 1893. He has a law and psychology degree from Harvard. 65 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:41,360 He invented what would become the lie detector. He was a script writer for Universal. He founded 66 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:47,920 the Disc Theory and Psychology. He's a military veteran. He fought for women's rights. He had a 67 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:57,280 poly relationship. He was into BDSM. And obviously, we are we know him today mainly for the creation 68 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:02,960 of Wonder Woman. That's a long list of things. I bet you the list is even longer. Yes. The fact 69 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:11,520 that you said he's had a poly relationship. That's that's pretty. What wouldn't what time around what 70 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:18,240 time was he? Because Wonder Woman was made in like, when was that made? You said, like the 30s? 71 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:25,840 I believe the 30s, 40s. And he was in a poly relationship even back then. That's 72 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:32,240 it's pretty crazy. So for instance, he meets what would become his, I guess, girlfriend in the 73 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:39,360 relationship around 1925. By that time, Wonder Woman wasn't established. No one was really kind 74 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:46,880 of thinking about Wonder Woman. So he had a he starts a poly relationship in the late 20s. 75 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:55,840 And then I believe Wonder Woman came out in the 30s. Can you imagine us being in our poly 76 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:05,280 relationship in the in the 20s? Kind of just think about like what is especially with existing, 77 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:12,320 how we exist now, especially with our boyfriend and stuff. And yeah, that would that's a different 78 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:17,760 time. That's that's intense. And that's that's kind of what I liked about this story is there's 79 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:23,360 aspects of his life that he tried to hide. And then there's other aspects that he did not try to 80 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:30,640 hide, really at all. And what I liked about it was that, you know, we we talked today about, 81 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:37,040 oh, like, I don't want people to find out about like my kinky side and a professional setting or, 82 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:42,720 oh, no, if people found out I was in a poly relationship. Yeah. And then he was like, 83 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:48,080 he was in the 20s and 30s is like kind of rocking it. Rocking balls, like whatever, 84 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:57,200 like just not really. That's brave. Yeah. I can't imagine the environment back then for 85 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:04,400 people that were living differently from like the norm, you know, because like now it's still 86 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:09,840 pretty intense in society, especially with social media and stuff. But back then, it's like people 87 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:17,200 were just in your face about it. And I would say more violent. Like, I feel like there's still a 88 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:23,760 lot of violence, but I feel like it wasn't seen as much back then because we had no social media. 89 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:29,840 Right. And so a lot of violence went unseen. So it's like, how we account for that, you know. 90 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:38,000 And we are we are talking about a time period where careers and getting a job was really based 91 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:44,560 on like who you know and word of mouth. So if you ruined your reputation, I believe back then it 92 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:53,600 became much harder for you to get a job, which we we do see. So much later in the story, we'll 93 00:10:53,600 --> 00:11:02,400 we'll kind of see how homophobia kind of takes over and the amount of people that lost like 94 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:12,800 governmental jobs based on allegations of them being homosexuals, which is very interesting. 95 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:19,760 Oh, from like from like people that are just expressing like different kinks and stuff. 96 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,360 Oh, just for who they loved. Oh, wow. What's that like? 97 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:31,360 I guess we're kind of we're in we're in a gay marriage. So 98 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:42,480 what we're in a gay relationship now in what year is it? What year is it? 99 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:51,920 Twenty twenty three. No, we are in a yeah, gay marriage, which thankfully, you know, 100 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:56,000 one of our presidents was smart enough to pass that law because we're humans and we just want to 101 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,440 we just want to suffer just like the rest of you. 102 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,440 I mean, I'm not going to speculate on how smart our presidents are. 103 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:10,640 Yeah. Well, I'm just saying, like it's it's a smart move to give everyone rights to that. 104 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,360 Like what's like, why are you preventing gay people from getting married in the first place? 105 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,200 But that's not the conversation we're talking about today. It's more about, you know, 106 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,520 William Marston. Yeah, there's a there's a lot of details. 107 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:28,560 There's a lot of layers to this guy. So he's in the military and crazy. 108 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,840 I could see I could see the references there as far as military reference goes in the comic book 109 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:38,960 itself. There's a lot of military figures in the comic book. The old old original comic book. 110 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:44,480 Yeah. Oh, yeah. So when you're getting tied up in the movie, too, when you look at superheroes, 111 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:50,960 right, the the very early age of superheroes, you have Captain America, he literally going 112 00:12:50,960 --> 00:13:00,160 to Germany and fighting Hitler. Comic books was almost kind of like a pro war propaganda machine. 113 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:09,440 I don't really want to say that I kind of. But it was kind of a fun way, I guess, to kind of get the 114 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:17,840 young audience kind of ease, I guess, their minds into war situations. Right. What's what's really 115 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,880 interesting, and we'll see this we'll get into this is comic books came out in the 1930s. 116 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:30,160 There was a new expressive art form. So think of a time where you couldn't be openly gay. 117 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:36,400 You couldn't be into kink or anything like that. It's really interesting because just like a 118 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:45,040 superhero, you can step in to this other role, and you can show in a very expressive way, you know, 119 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:50,640 a side of you that you have to stay hidden. Right. You have to hide every day and then you can you 120 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:56,480 can write about it, you can express it into comic books, and we see that. And we also kind of talk 121 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:03,520 about the fall of that, how all of that went away and the kind of like the war that went on against 122 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:14,160 comic books. Yeah. And then obviously today it's we kind of got that back. So anyways, 123 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:22,160 anyways, going back to the back to the subject. Oh, yeah, we get on these little tangents. 124 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:27,520 Who are we talking about again? William Marston. Right. Yes. Yeah. How is he doing? 125 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:35,280 Well, he is unfortunately dead currently. Darn. So if he was alive, that would be amazing. Right. 126 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:42,640 Like someone would be studying him because he'd be really old. Right. He'd be very old. 127 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:48,880 But I do want to I do want to paint a picture around the time that he was born and kind of 128 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:55,120 growing up because this was a different America. Oh, yeah. And this was something that I struggled 129 00:14:55,120 --> 00:15:02,480 to kind of wrap my head around because we think about America like freedom and you know, you can 130 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:11,440 be who you want to be kind of the America that William Marston was born into is not America today. 131 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:19,600 So for instance, just for some kind of paint paint a picture, your World War I started in 1914. 132 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:28,480 Child labor laws did not go into effect until 1938. So you had children working in factories. 133 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:36,480 Geez, William. Women did not have the right to vote until 1920. Cars were not mass produced until 134 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:45,600 1908. Years like years a really big one for me states that were not states yet. Utah, Oklahoma, 135 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:53,840 New Mexico, Arizona, Alaska, Hawaii. That's like kind of kind of crazy thing about. 136 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,080 This is a different time. The country is a lot smaller. 137 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:06,720 Yeah. And also in 1872, federal law granted the right for education free from sex discrimination, 138 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:12,400 but many colleges refused to admit female students and women did not start attending colleges 139 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:20,320 and mass numbers until the 1920s. I'm surprised that he actually wrote Wonder Woman because it 140 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:26,480 seems like that was like empowering women when it seems like everyone was like, oh, 141 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:33,840 when it seems like everyone else in the country, probably a lot of men were trying to shut women 142 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:45,600 down. A lot of men were. However, we do see a massive push and fight to get women like equal 143 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:51,280 rights. So we are going to kind of introduce a couple of characters who very much want to shut 144 00:16:51,280 --> 00:17:00,320 women down. However, you see a large group of people fighting for women's rights, just like today. 145 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,360 Right. We have, we have a lot of, and that's what's like really interesting to me is like 146 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:11,680 the parallels because the cause for the fight might change, but we are still fighting today 147 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:18,400 for similar topics. Like for instance, trans rights, we are still, this is an active discussion, 148 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:25,600 right? There's a large group of people that believe that trans people should not have certain rights. 149 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:30,160 However, there's a large group of us that are pushing and trying to make sure that 150 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:36,000 that trans people have the same rights as everyone else. So it's kind of very similar to 151 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:42,000 today, like how we're fighting. So I'm wondering if a comic book is going to come out. It does seem 152 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:47,840 like, like when there's like big movements for people's rights and like fighting for rights, 153 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:54,320 that there's usually some kind of hero figure that is like, and it's specifically like some 154 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,680 kind of comic book hero. So for instance, I believe for a past couple of years now, DC, 155 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:07,680 Marvel might do it as well. I don't, I'm not as familiar, but DC has every year during a pride 156 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:14,880 month, they do DC pride where they talk about their, their gay superheroes, or they do like an 157 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:22,080 alternate universe where certain superheroes will be gay or anything or something like that. So 158 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:32,160 I didn't know that. Yeah, that's interesting. Wow. I have to check that out sometime. 159 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:42,000 Yeah, actually, one of the one of the artists for, I believe last year's DC pride edition, 160 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:47,280 they were at Comic Con. We actually walked past their booth. Oh yeah, they were like doing like 161 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:51,280 a little lunch break or something. We didn't get, we didn't get a chance to go see them because 162 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:58,160 we're so there's an overwhelming amount of things there. William Marston was there. Just kidding. 163 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:08,960 He was not. He was, he's, he's dead. Okay, so going, going back to William Marston. So his mother was 164 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:14,880 a school teacher. His father was a wool merchant. That's another like weird thing to think about 165 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:24,320 that you had merchants like for wool, like a wool merchant. He met his future wife, 166 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:33,200 Sadie Holloway in the eighth grade. He was born into what is known as the molten castle. 167 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:40,000 A castle. Yeah. So he came from money. He did come from money. That's, I mean, that's something to 168 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:46,560 note. Like someone from what we know about him so far, it sounds like he was a big supporter of 169 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:52,400 women's rights and then in, but he also has, he's come from wealth and not like. I think there's a 170 00:19:52,400 --> 00:20:00,000 little bit difference than growing up in wealth and I was born in a castle. Yeah. Like there's a 171 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:06,400 little, there's a step. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I guess that's true. There's like, you're like, 172 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,320 yeah, I was born into wealth and you live in like a big house and then someone comes by and they're 173 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:20,240 like, I was born in a castle. Yeah. Yeah. Castle. But also it was back then. So maybe when you're 174 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:25,680 wealthy, that's what you owned was a castle. Like that's, that's mansion status right there. Right. 175 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,560 Right. Jenny, it's a castle. 176 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,320 I mean, if you look at some mansions, say they look like castles, I know we're getting off subject, 177 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:43,360 but I'm kind of passionate about those. So let's just say instead of having a silver spoon 178 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:50,640 in his mouth, he had the entire silver spoon set. So it makes sense. He was well off, but 179 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:55,520 it didn't seem like it got to his head from what we've been talking about so far. And something 180 00:20:55,520 --> 00:21:02,000 that's like kind of key to note here is because he did fight for women's rights. Is there a parallel 181 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:11,280 between fighting for equality and education? Right. So he had access to education and he 182 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:17,920 did become very educated. Is there a parallel between those of us that are very well educated 183 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:23,440 and believing in equality? That's, that's, that's really, really good point. 184 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:30,480 Are you suggesting that only dumb people want people to stay? 185 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:32,960 Segregated. Yeah. 186 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:42,880 I'm not saying that. So I have thought about this before and because I don't understand 187 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:49,760 how, so back then people were fighting for women's rights. And that's like, we talked about 188 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,880 William Marsden's very big supporter of women's rights, big trying to make big moves with 189 00:21:54,880 --> 00:22:04,560 Wonder Woman in that sense. And it's just crazy that like, like people that are highly intelligent 190 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:11,120 have a lot of school background or just very well studied always are in support of humans 191 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:19,120 having equal rights to other humans, which I don't understand why people who are fighting 192 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:28,640 against humans having equal rights as other humans want to like oppose that. It's like, 193 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:36,160 it's not like we're like, Hey, my dog, he wears sweaters now. So I kind of would like him to 194 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:41,680 be able to vote like, Hey, let's let them have equal rights to humans. It's like, no, we're asking 195 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:50,880 for you to treat other humans like you want to be treated. And, and it's like, even back then, like 196 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:58,320 William Marsden, like women's rights, it's, we've been fighting, constantly fighting. It's just 197 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:03,840 changes. It just changes from the demographic. It's always changing the demographic. Like, Oh, 198 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:09,040 let's go. Someone's like, let's target this, these people now. Oh, we lost out last fight. Let's 199 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,840 target these people now. You know, it's like, it's always a battle for someone. You know, 200 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:20,560 it's just crazy how many people show up to fight against that fight, like with their torches and 201 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:27,920 pitchforks, like, yeah. Why are there so many people against equality? I don't understand. 202 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:35,280 And again, is it a, is it an education issue? I know for, for me personally, growing up very poor, 203 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:43,440 being around when I was a child, being around the group that I was around, they were very 204 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:50,160 uneducated and it seemed like that was where the majority of the conspiracy theories were coming 205 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:57,680 about. I also feel like it's also where the majority of the arguments of everything being 206 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:05,200 kind of like face, sorry, faith based came from. Right. So I was raised very strictly that 207 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,800 gay people were living in a life of sin and they were going to burn to hell. 208 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:18,560 It wasn't really open for a debate. Like that was a fact. And then it was like, 209 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:25,520 it was a fact. And then you don't hear a lot about like other religions or anything, 210 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:32,080 but when you go to college and you have to take these other classes and you have to 211 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:38,640 kind of develop a critical thinking mindset and you're taking classes on other religions 212 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:46,160 and you're kind of like opening your world up to other ideas. You start thinking on your own 213 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:51,360 and you start looking and you start like forming your own opinions. So for me, 214 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:57,840 I stopped kind of like listening to my church and also those crazy conspiracies 215 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:06,800 and I started forming my own ideas and kind of my own thought process. You broke away from the herd 216 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,760 of sheep to become your own. You're not following that shepherd anymore. You're doing your own 217 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:16,960 thing. You're like, you know what? I'm a sheep and I'm gonna go do my own thing. I'm gonna go eat 218 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:22,480 some grass over there. And you guys can follow that dude. And that's why religious people like to ban 219 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:28,800 access to that type of education because they know as soon as someone becomes educated on these 220 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,360 subjects, they're like, nah, I'm out. We're not saying religious bad or anything, but some people 221 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:38,000 feel like it's a waste of time when you could be doing other things like working instead of going 222 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:43,680 to church or spending time with your family or doing more productive things with the one life 223 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:50,960 that you have. I think this dates way back in history. For instance, I believe King Henry the 224 00:25:50,960 --> 00:26:01,760 Eighth made it illegal to publish the Bible in any language other than Latin. And it was mainly 225 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,960 because he wanted to, I don't know if he like sat down and thought about it like this, but mainly 226 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:12,400 wanted it to be something where only the church could read it. And you had to go to church and 227 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:20,320 you had to listen to somebody explain the Bible to you. So maintaining control, maintaining power 228 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:28,720 was making sure that the mass majority of people did not have access to education. And that's how 229 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:36,320 I view it. That's my own personal kind of belief. It just goes full circle back to education. The 230 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:44,560 lack of it, the fact that people are fine without having it. And the fact that it is locked behind 231 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:53,440 a money door. I feel like it should be accessible to anyone because that's important. 232 00:26:54,640 --> 00:27:01,200 You have a lot more pawns if you don't train them to become bishops or rooks or knights. 233 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,520 It's is that is that your own saying? Would you? 234 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:12,400 Is that a saying from somewhere? That's a chess mentality. I mean, that's I mean, that's I said 235 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,880 that right now. Oh, I like that. That was good. OK, I mean, I know it's just a chess thing. 236 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,440 Thank you. It was a good is a good. Yeah, I'll quote you on that. Can you say it one more time 237 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:27,440 for me? Oh, you're going to make me do that. No, I'm just kidding. We'll turn it into a T-shirt. 238 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:34,000 OK, well, there we go. It'll just say pawns, rooks and knights. And that's it. And it's a natural 239 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:42,320 song. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Quote me. OK, so going back to William Marston. 240 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:50,640 So in high school, he was six feet tall, weighing one hundred and eighty four pounds. 241 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:57,760 He was a class president. He was a class historian. He was president of the Literary Club. 242 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:04,240 He was editor in chief of the school newspaper. He was a football player his senior year. He they 243 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:11,040 actually won the state championship. And in in school, he became an activist for women's rights. 244 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:19,280 He presided over a debate in women's suffrage. Holy shit. He was fighting for women's rights in 245 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:26,160 high school. I think that's where the idea first started. Right. With this kind of debate. I'm 246 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:31,040 really into like debate stuff. Like I was really into that in high school and like hearing that. 247 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:37,680 That's that's amazing. Like he was young and still motivated to fight for other people's rights. That 248 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:43,680 is not he's not a woman. He's not a girl. He's not not female. He's fighting for female rights. 249 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:50,480 Jenny does like to argue. I do. I do. I'm very passionate about that. She knows she's not always 250 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:57,200 good at it. She does like that. Yeah. She knows something. So a few points here. One, 251 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:06,800 I do believe in any movement. You do need allies that are not specifically in your movement to 252 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:17,680 help move that along. For example. Right. For instance, you know, for LGBT, it helps to have 253 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:23,760 allies that are not in your community. Like, oh, yeah, business, business leaders, things like that, 254 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:30,560 that can help you, for instance, maybe financially or get the word out. Or just the fact that other 255 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:35,120 people that aren't part of the community can see that. Oh, wow. They're friends with. 256 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,400 Oh, wow. They're friends with, you know, trans people or people with the BDSM community, 257 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:46,160 and they have a normal friendship. Yeah. What the heck? What? They're normal people in the world. 258 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:54,080 What? Right. And I think I think that helps. And then also another point I want to point out 259 00:29:54,640 --> 00:30:03,680 is when I read about William Marston in the beginning, he was kind of painted as this like 260 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:09,520 he was a go getter. Anything he set his mind to, he was going to achieve. He was if he was on the 261 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:15,120 football team, he was, you know, they were going to win state championship. If he was going to 262 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,840 like run for student government, he was going to be the president. If he was going to go going to 263 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,760 go to college, he was going to go to Harvard, he was going to get multiple degrees. Like this was 264 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:34,960 a guy that whatever he set his mind to, he went out and he did it. That's a that's how I took it 265 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:41,120 reading about him. Yeah, people just like I think they misjudged what he was writing those comics 266 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:49,520 about because he was doing it for women's rights and pushing the women's rights agenda massively 267 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:57,120 with that comic book because back then, the only way he saw to put it out there to the mass is 268 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:02,320 is putting a comic book like there's like the newspaper and comic book and maybe radio. 269 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:08,560 I'm not exactly sure when, you know, radio broadcasts were an actual thing for like the public. 270 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:16,720 But like there was not many options. And this one would go to even younger audiences, which is what 271 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:22,560 he wanted because he wanted younger people to understand that girls that are growing up into 272 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:31,280 women are equal to men, boys and men. So we'll get into this a little bit later. But I think I think 273 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:39,200 William Arson had a few different agendas. He wanted women's rights, obviously. He wanted 274 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:50,080 to show people it was OK for them to express who they were in a like a kink way also. 275 00:31:50,080 --> 00:32:00,240 But like the big the big thing here is because when he first pitched Wonder Woman 2DC 276 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:10,000 or Detective Comics back in the Detective Comics back in the day, they said no. And they said that 277 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:18,480 every female superhero comic book failed. And his big thing and what a lot of people hated about 278 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:27,440 Wonder Woman and kind of fought against it was Wonder Woman being so sexualized. But his big 279 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:36,560 pitch was that you have to make a female superhero that people want to be. He said the issue with 280 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:43,760 female superheroes back then was that not even girls, little girls, wanted to be them because 281 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:51,600 this was back in the day of, you know, you were expected to grow up, bear children, take care of 282 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:58,480 the household. And you even saw like a lot of female superheroes be very submissive. 283 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:05,520 And he was like, you know, no one wants to be that way. You know, you want a dominant figure, 284 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:11,520 right? You want a hero type. You want someone that is dominant. You don't want them essentially very 285 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:17,920 bulky and manly. You want them sexy. You want them to be a role model in every single way. So 286 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:23,840 he pitched a female superhero that was sexy, that was dominant, that kicked ass. 287 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:32,320 Yeah, because like, I mean, growing up as a trans woman, like looking up at looking up to like female 288 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:38,560 superheroes and stuff, I was like, damn, I want to be her and wear her outfit and be as hot as her 289 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:45,040 and like, frickin save lives and be heroic. I didn't want to be like a big bulky like Superman, 290 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:51,840 but be a woman like that was not like you want to be as attractive as them and be as and adapt 291 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:57,200 their personality, especially when you're younger, you're like, I want to be them. Like, you know, 292 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:04,000 and so and it's also key to note here that, you know, Wonder Woman is from the Amazon. 293 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:12,480 But she's not some bulky man like giant buff woman like she's a slender, very attractive woman. 294 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:21,840 She just looks like some girl that's been hit in the gym. Like, athletic, athletic. Yeah, but not 295 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:27,600 like a manly type. Like when you look at like Batman and Superman, right? Like, oh, yeah, they're 296 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:34,400 pure peak masculinity. What? That's interesting. Because like, I know we're getting off subject a 297 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:40,160 little bit here. But Spider-Man, he's not like peak masculinity. But that's also going to like, 298 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:45,600 what what the comic is trying to relate to. Yes, target audience. And I think that's what was 299 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,720 misunderstood whenever William Marsden was bringing the female superhero, the idea of 300 00:34:50,720 --> 00:35:02,880 Wonder Woman to DC Comics at first was that, like, we want to have a hero that is idolized by by 301 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:09,920 by girls and women, you know, and that's not typical of comic book heroes at the time, because 302 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:17,280 it was very much catered towards boys and men, because that's the kind of heroes that were like, 303 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:24,800 like, big muscular men or, you know, like, freaking Spider-Man or something, you know. 304 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:34,720 I just want to see all of these failed female superheroes. I'm curious, like, maid woman, 305 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:46,640 secretary lady. I, I hate to say this. Don't tell me they exist. But well, I mean, they still do. 306 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:56,720 However, the point I was getting at was we actually see we see Wonder Woman turn into that 307 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:03,920 after William passes away. Really? There's a there's a there's a period in time 308 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:11,680 where Wonder Woman becomes a more secretary position of the Justice League. Oh, yeah. 309 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:19,040 Yeah. Yeah. But she now like, I don't know how recent was, but whenever they started redoing 310 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,600 the Wonder Woman series, they they're now like the movie there. They're more into like, 311 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:32,560 representing it as how William Marston. Right? Yes. So obviously, she's a she's a kickass badass 312 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:41,200 today. The movement to try to revive her image, I believe, started in the 70s. Oh, okay. But there 313 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,320 is a period of time where I assume it started with the comics, of course. Yeah. But there is there is 314 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:52,400 a period of time where you see Wonder Woman holding down the headquarters of the Justice League while 315 00:36:53,120 --> 00:37:00,320 Batman and Superman went off to fight. And she tidied up. Nice maid woman, maid woman. 316 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:08,080 And she still had her sexy outfit on the right. She lost a little bit of her sexy outfit. There's 317 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:15,120 there's we'll get into it. So they like made her more conservative after he passed away to that's 318 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:20,800 like the greatest there there's a whole there's a whole list of things that happened. There was 319 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:35,280 actually a lawsuit between DC Comics and America and America, all of America. Wow. That that they 320 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:40,400 lost and they had to kind of go back and change a few things. And we'll we'll take a deeper dive 321 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:46,800 into that. Oh, yeah, this is this is all stuff to come. Yeah, way Mars is going to be a little bit 322 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:52,640 of an ongoing series for a couple episodes. Yes, sprinkled in with other episodes out there. 323 00:37:52,640 --> 00:38:00,240 Correct. So where are we at in the timeline? So I want to talk about women's suffrage. 324 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:05,360 Right. When I say that, when I read that for the first time, I didn't I've never heard of that term. 325 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:14,640 I was just curiously, do you guys know what women's suffrage is? Wazing. So basically, 326 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:23,920 is it just like the highlights of our inequality? So over time? Yeah. So basically, women's suffrage 327 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:29,440 was a movement to try to get women the right to vote. The American suffrage movement became 328 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:36,240 began in 1848 with the first women's right convention, which is actually told in Wonder 329 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:47,600 Women comics. And in 1903, a British woman named Emeline Prankhurst. I am so sorry, but butchered. 330 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:55,440 She's still around? No. Okay. She's not going to be upset about it then. So she found she founded 331 00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:02,080 she founded the women's social and political union whose motto was deeds, not words, which 332 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:12,720 I just I love because I, I sit on a few different kind of committees and boards and I was in student 333 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:18,720 government in college and I get so frustrated because I feel like we just sit around and talk 334 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:24,080 so much. And I'm like, I'm always the guy that's like, okay, like, let's, what are we going to do? 335 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,760 What are we going to do? Like, let's stop talking about it. Let's go do stuff. And that was her 336 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:39,040 very much her motto. In 1999, she was named one of the 100 most important people of the 20th 337 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:48,720 century for her work. And what's interesting here is that William Marston is born right at the time 338 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:57,600 of women's rights. So what's very interesting is that he was in the right area and born at the 339 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:08,720 right time to be so involved. For instance, we'll get into this, but the the debates that he sees 340 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:15,040 movies are just becoming a thing. So for him to jump into universal for script writing, 341 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:20,400 he was like right there at the right time. He, he was at Harvard right at the right time. 342 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:28,320 He met the right people, everything. He was just essentially born at the right time 343 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:36,400 to create Wonder Woman, to create this hero that they desperately needed at the time. 344 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:46,720 Yeah. And even to this day, like girls, women, boys, everyone sees Wonder Woman as like this 345 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:52,240 iconic superhero. Look up to Wonder Woman. And I would be curious of like how many, 346 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:58,400 how many female superheroes do we have today that are kind of inspired by Wonder Woman? For instance, 347 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:05,760 when you watch Star Wars, right? Like Princess Leia, she's, she's not your victim. Even when 348 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:13,840 she's being saved from the Empire or whatever, like she's, she's actually like with her blaster, 349 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:20,800 she's shooting people and she's like this way. And Luke Skywalker and Han Solo are just like, 350 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,760 who is this person that we're trying to save? Even when she's chained up to Jabba? 351 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:33,200 Chained up to Jabba? Come on. I feel like that was a little bit of just 352 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:40,720 wanting to add some sexuality to the movie. A little bit of kink to it. Yeah. Even though 353 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:48,960 she was chained up to Jab, Jabba. Yeah. Jabba. Jabba. Yeah, sorry. Jabba. I don't know why I said that. 354 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,440 But I'm just curious of like how many- Sorry, Star Wars fans. 355 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:57,520 I'm just kind of curious of how many like superheroes or kind of badass female figures 356 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,760 we have today because of like Wonder Woman back in the day. 357 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:11,840 Queen Maze. Which would be basically because of woman suffrage. Yeah. Which is nuts because like 358 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:18,960 the ones that are coming out today that are based on Wonder Woman, like it's, it's all back to that 359 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:25,280 fight for women's rights. And it's a wonderful thing. It really is. And this is like, this is 360 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:31,680 still a fight that's ongoing, right? I know. Like with Roe versus Wade being overturned just a couple 361 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:38,480 of years ago, the fight for women's rights is never kind of going away. Like you'll still see 362 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:44,080 statistics where men are still earning more than women. You'll still see statistics where like, 363 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:52,720 for instance, in like engineering or like coding kind of jobs, like that those are male dominated 364 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:59,680 areas. You'll still hear stuff. For instance, there was a professor I had who got in a lot of 365 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:09,040 trouble because this was for my electronics degree, my AS in electronics. He got in a lot of trouble 366 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:17,360 because he flat out to a female student said that, oh, it's good to have you. You have much smaller 367 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:22,960 hands than the men do. But other than that, I don't know how you're going to do in the workforce. 368 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:31,120 Yeah. And then what's crazy is he's probably like, this is actually like, I'm, I'm giving her a 369 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:38,240 compliment. Yeah. Yeah. And then actually even in another kind of situation actually just popped in 370 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:47,120 my head for my actual engineering degree. Um, there was a professor who he did not think women had the 371 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:55,040 mental capacity to keep up with men. That's crazy. So it still happens today. It's not, it has not 372 00:43:55,040 --> 00:44:01,440 gone away. There is still very much a lot of work that the women's rights movement has to do. But 373 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:09,440 look at, I hate to bring it up, but look at the fight that we have to have to let women have 374 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:17,760 abortions. Yeah. It's nuts. It's it. Well, I want to get much into it because it, it gets me really 375 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:23,200 upset. We're going to get into it because that actually, that actually came up in the research 376 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:28,800 and this is all really, yeah, this is what blows my mind is like the parallels between today and 377 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:36,320 then, and it's, yeah, it's just upsetting. Like it's their body, let them do what they want. Oh, 378 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:45,120 yeah. Like for real, right? It's our body. Let us do what we want. This applies to everyone. 379 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:51,280 We have one life. Yeah. You should be allowed to do to your body what you want. Yeah. 380 00:44:52,800 --> 00:45:02,400 So now I want to introduce Wonder Woman herself. Oh, I'm sorry. I meant Sarah Elizabeth Holloway 381 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:10,880 as she was known or she actually went by Sadie. She was born February 20th, 382 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:19,440 1893 on the Isle of Man between Britain and Ireland, which interesting. Sounds very interesting. 383 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:27,600 The Isle of Man. The Isle of Man. That sounds majestic. Yeah. I, as soon as I read it, 384 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,880 I was like, I kind of want you want to go. It's just a bunch of, it's just a bunch of shirtless 385 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:38,880 guys that are like really muscular. Okay. That's not funny. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, 386 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,760 I'm like, really muscular. Okay. That's not what I was. It's an island. It looks like I was picturing. 387 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:50,640 It's an island that looks like a man cave or that it just sounds, it sounds majestic. 388 00:45:52,320 --> 00:46:00,720 Hey, she was raised in Boston, Massachusetts. Her father was a bank clerk and she was a tomboy. 389 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:08,160 And there is a very interesting story. I want to kind of like paint the picture of how she was 390 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:17,840 growing up. So there was a story in her own words. Two kids jumped her brother after school one day. 391 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:23,840 And in her own words, she said, quote, I jumped on their backs and banged their heads into the 392 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:34,000 pavement. Damn. So she, she defended her brother and fought off these two kids. Basically Wonder 393 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:42,320 Woman. Yeah. At a young age. And we, we do, it is heavily theorized that Wonder Woman is based off 394 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:49,200 of Sadie Holloway. That would make sense. Heavily theorized. Makes sense. So something that's very 395 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:56,960 important about like the women's rights issue. No surprise has to do with birth control. So 396 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,960 of course about that family. You said this has to do with birth control. Oh yeah. Birth control. 397 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:14,800 Still. Still. Wow. Yeah. Still a hot topic. For like a full century. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. 398 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:22,320 So only. It sucks. It is, it is important to note during this timeframe, it was illegal 399 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:34,880 to educate or hand out items such as condoms. Or anything that educated on safe sex. Correct. 400 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:41,840 What? You can say yes. That's nuts. And actually, I mean, what I keep saying it, but we'll, 401 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:48,720 we'll get into that a little bit more. Maybe possibly the next episode. But yeah, it was, 402 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:53,200 you could go to jail and we actually, we're actually going to bring up somebody that went 403 00:47:53,200 --> 00:48:03,760 to jail for trying to educate people about condoms. Was, so what was the stance on abortion back then 404 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:13,600 when birth control and safe sex was like frowned upon? So let me, let me tell you about abortions. 405 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:21,120 So that family, that family where the kids jumped her brother, they were from a poor Irish family. 406 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:28,000 And a little bit later after that incident, their mother would die when she accidentally 407 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:35,600 pushed a wire through her cervix, trying to self abort a child that she could not afford. 408 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,120 Wow. So that was your abortion. 409 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,120 So they had the right to do it, but you it's still locked behind. 410 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:49,760 Oh no, they did not have the right to do it. But people try to take it into their own hands or 411 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:57,040 you would much have like a, I don't know, like a shady alleyway doctor that would try to do 412 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:02,640 essentially the same thing. Yeah. So someone that has probably experienced it does it on the side, 413 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:09,760 like kind of thing. Yeah. That's nuts. So like abortion was frowned upon, but you still couldn't 414 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:16,960 have safe sex. So you had to have a baby. It was like, you, if you're a woman and you have eggs, 415 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,680 you're having babies no matter what. And you couldn't check on the reviews from these 416 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:27,200 alleyway doctors. Yeah. There was no like Angie's list or Yelp or anything like that. You just had 417 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:37,440 to hope and pray. But I think like the, the big thing here is this comes mainly from a faith based 418 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:45,760 kind of thing where sex should not be something that's pleasurable. It should only be for 419 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:52,000 reproduction, which is, I feel like that's very primitive thinking it is. And actually, so something 420 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,920 that we're kind of talking about is doing a kind of a book club. And there's a wonderful book that 421 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:06,240 kind of goes through the history of coming from a sex positive culture to a like, you know, sex is 422 00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:13,600 a sin culture to like where we are today. It's, it's really amazing. So maybe we'll kind of kick 423 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:26,720 that off here soon, but anyways, so yeah, it was actually in 1873, the calm, calm stock act. That 424 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:36,640 just sounds way too, way too close to like come, come stock, calm stock. I mean, honestly, when 425 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:44,880 you're saying, I was like, I don't come, you said what I, you had me at come stock. I'm a, I'm an 426 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:54,560 engineer. Okay. So in 1873, the calm stock act actually passed making it illegal to mail 427 00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:03,280 contraception items or materials to educate people on contraception, meaning it was illegal to male 428 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:10,640 information about birth control or male condoms or birth control, et cetera. So of any kind of any 429 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:21,840 kind that was in 1873, which is very interesting to me because I feel like the country was very 430 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:32,720 behind on education of safe sex. And then obviously we see the AIDS pandemic hit, you know, and I kind 431 00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:38,560 of wonder if we started off from a society of like a very like, you know, safe sex really kind of 432 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:44,960 pushing that what would have happened with the AIDS pandemic? I just don't understand why 433 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:52,480 people are so against learning safe sex to be like, why are we so focused on procreating? 434 00:51:53,680 --> 00:52:02,880 Again, I think that's religion. No. So one key component in this entire series that you're going 435 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:12,480 to kind of see come about is the Catholic church. And I, I hate to, I hate to say this, but I think 436 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:20,800 the Catholic church is like the villain of this story, but we'll see it much later. The Catholic 437 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:32,560 church goes to war against comic books. So that's such a ridiculous like thought, like, but I mean, 438 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:40,400 they were like actively trying to shut down comics completely. Yeah. Because of the freedom 439 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:46,960 that people had to express ideas that weren't accepted by. Well, I guess I should clarify. 440 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:54,320 Maybe it's not to shut down comics completely, you know, but it was to limit what you could do 441 00:52:54,320 --> 00:53:01,360 with the comic. Yeah. Like, which is still limiting free speech in some way. Like Charlie Brown, 442 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:12,640 like Charlie Brown, probably fine. A wonderful graphic novel series called Sunstone. Not okay. 443 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:18,880 I have no idea what that is, but Sunstone, we will have to talk stuff from Pokemon, right? No. 444 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:28,240 I know my evolutionary stones. I know there's some of you out there that are like, I know exactly 445 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:34,160 what Jay is talking about. And yes, we'll cover it in a different. It is a graphic novel that you 446 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:43,840 can buy on Amazon. That is a BDSM based. Okay. Yeah. Anyways, so I do want to wrap up real quick, 447 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:51,040 an interesting little segment about William's childhood. And then next time we'll probably 448 00:53:51,040 --> 00:54:01,280 start off with, um, their time in college. So, so William's childhood, he was not shielded from any 449 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:06,720 gruesome reality of the world around him either. Uh, his neighbor actually killed himself by 450 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:12,240 slitting his own throat. And then this is something that evidently really stuck with William. He 451 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:17,600 believed that if he wasn't going to do anything noteworthy in his life, that he would simply kill 452 00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:25,360 himself. Um, when he was a freshman, actually at Harvard studying law, he decided he was going to 453 00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:32,720 kill himself after not doing so well in school at the age of 18 and 1911, William attained acid 454 00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:39,040 to commit suicide. Now what's interesting about this is that we know that William liked the book 455 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:47,760 Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and spoiler alert, Dr. Hyde kills himself in the same way in the book. And 456 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:55,520 also throwing in a fun fact here in the 1942 February issue of sensation comics, which is 457 00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:02,080 featured one Wonder Woman before she had her own comic. Wonder Woman's first villain is actually 458 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:10,800 called Dr. Poison. Oh wow. And this is something that we see like William, he takes inspiration 459 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:18,400 from his personal life and puts it into his comics. Like, so you're going to see villains come about 460 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:27,440 that were very anti women's rights. He'll write them into the comic. Um, he writes his children 461 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:35,280 into the comic. So he pulls on things that he personally knows about her as seeing things that 462 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:44,560 are happening in his real life. Yeah. So you said acid. Yes. So maybe not try to confuse the 463 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:53,600 audience with acid. Yes. So a poison acid, not a like, you know, dropping acid and having fun, but 464 00:55:53,600 --> 00:56:04,000 a poisonous acid. Okay. Wow. So sounds like it was a impactful time in his life. And that what the 465 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,640 Jekyll and Hyde book he was reading. Yes. Was very impactful in his life, it seems because like, 466 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:15,120 it stood with him until adulthood. Yes. So this is something that's like very interesting to me when 467 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:20,800 I'm when I read about William Marston, because the research that I'm reading about, obviously a lot 468 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:28,800 of it's coming from like his personal journals, things like that. William Marston, you learn has a 469 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:42,960 duality, kind of like a flashy philosophy side to him. What do you mean? Essentially that he might 470 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:52,800 be like, kind of overplaying certain aspects when he when he's like recalling his life. So he might 471 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:57,040 be dramatizing it, I think is what I'm trying to say. He adds a little bit of flair to his 472 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:01,200 storytelling. This is exaggerating. Yeah, you wrote comics. That's that's understandable. 473 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,840 Speculation says that he might be exaggerating. Yeah, he might be exaggerating. And that's that's 474 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:12,320 something to note is that none of these people are alive. So we are we are dependent on the 475 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:21,040 dependent on their writings. So any one of us, if we have a journal or whatever, we can go back 476 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:29,120 and write something from our point of view, which would be not factual. Yes. So it's it's 477 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:35,680 important to remember that when we're kind of talking about William Marston. Yeah, we're getting 478 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:42,720 we're getting like maybe like a one sided view of things or maybe a destroyed distorted view. 479 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:51,040 So that makes sense. Anyways, um, yeah, so next time we'll pick up in with William going to college 480 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:56,880 and we'll kind of see where he goes from there. I'm excited to hear more. Yeah. Yeah, same here. 481 00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:03,040 William Marston is a juicy subject. Yeah, it's a it's a very interesting subject. It's not as 482 00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:09,840 juicy as I thought it was going to be from a kink point of view. But it's still very I learned so 483 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:15,760 much about like the the women's rights movement from this research than I ever have. So I think 484 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:21,920 it's still very much worth telling. Yeah, women's rights deals with all of us because women are part 485 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:28,960 of each and every one of our lives. So yeah, very important subject. And also, he's part of the BDSM 486 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:35,760 community and polyamorous. So he's got some things to relate to us. Yeah. Yeah, definitely a lot of 487 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:42,480 relatable content for me for sure. I'm excited to dive more into it. Thank you for joining us. 488 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:48,480 It's been on natural some covering William Marston. Stay tuned for part two when we cover more about 489 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:55,920 his college and adult life. This has been Jenny banks, and I'm signing off. Stay kinky. Until next 490 00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:05,760 time.