Episode 4: William Marston Pt2 - Wonder Woman and kink?

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:29,920This is part two of our William Marston series.200:00:29,920 --> 00:00:39,920If you recall last time we just kind of covered William and Sadie Holloway's kind of backstory, them kind of growing up as young children.300:00:39,920 --> 00:00:47,920And we left off in the college times. We also kind of just painted like what America looked like back then.400:00:47,920 --> 00:00:56,920So we're just going to jump right into William's experience in college and then kind of go into Sadie Holloway's experience in college.500:00:56,920 --> 00:01:05,920This is really, if you think about a traditional kind of college story, that's when you, the world has opened up to you, right?600:01:05,920 --> 00:01:14,920So we're going to see a lot of the ideas kind of form from their college experience.700:01:14,920 --> 00:01:21,920We're about to see, this is essentially the origins of what would later become Wonder Woman.800:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,920The origin story of Wonder Woman's author.900:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,920So not her origin story.1000:01:28,920 --> 00:01:29,920No.1100:01:29,920 --> 00:01:30,920Origin story.1200:01:30,920 --> 00:01:31,920Sort of.1300:01:31,920 --> 00:01:32,920Sort of.1400:01:32,920 --> 00:01:33,920But not really.1500:01:33,920 --> 00:01:41,920No, it's more like the origin story of the origin story.1600:01:41,920 --> 00:01:42,920Whoa.1700:01:42,920 --> 00:01:43,920Whoa.1800:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,920Mind blowing.1900:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,920So, yeah, let's dive into it.2000:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,920All right, let's get going.2100:01:51,920 --> 00:01:58,920So where we left off, William was thinking about killing himself.2200:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,920Some pretty heavy shit.2300:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,920Yeah, we're just jumping right into it. Just, there we go.2400:02:04,920 --> 00:02:14,920Right into it. Yeah, I think you're talking about how he used some kind of chemical acid, not the drug, of course, to try to end his life.2500:02:14,920 --> 00:02:18,920And it sounds like he was inspired by a book he was reading.2600:02:18,920 --> 00:02:22,920Yeah, one of his favorite books, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.2700:02:22,920 --> 00:02:25,920We know that he had that book.2800:02:25,920 --> 00:02:34,920I want to say, if my memory serves me correctly, that his mother either gave him the book or would read it to him when he was a child.2900:02:34,920 --> 00:02:37,920Fun little fact in the future.3000:02:37,920 --> 00:02:53,920His blood pressure cuff, which would later become the lie detector, was actually used in the original movie for Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde to gauge audience reaction.3100:02:53,920 --> 00:02:55,920But we'll get into that later.3200:02:55,920 --> 00:02:58,920But it's interesting.3300:02:58,920 --> 00:03:09,920So we left off kind of William Arston, I kind of mentioned he could do anything he set his mind to. However, he got to college and then he realized life is hard.3400:03:09,920 --> 00:03:19,920Yeah, and he decided that if he didn't do anything noteworthy in his life, that it just was no, there was no point in living.3500:03:19,920 --> 00:03:20,920Right. Okay.3600:03:20,920 --> 00:03:27,920Now, one class, however, that he really took a liking to was philosophy.3700:03:27,920 --> 00:03:28,920Oh, that's a good class.3800:03:28,920 --> 00:03:36,920So, yes, which is kind of interesting because he was going to Harvard for law, but he falls in love with philosophy.3900:03:36,920 --> 00:03:49,920So this class was taught by George Herbert Palmer, his wife, Alice Freeman Palmer passed away in 1902, and he never stopped mourning her death.4000:03:49,920 --> 00:03:55,920It is actually believed that Herbert Palmer saved William Marsden's life.4100:03:55,920 --> 00:04:14,920So the thing to the thing to note here is that George Palmer was the teacher sponsor of Harvard's men's League of Women's Suffrage founded in 1910, the year before William accepted got accepted into Harvard.4200:04:14,920 --> 00:04:15,920Oh, wow.4300:04:15,920 --> 00:04:29,920So the class that he falls in love with is philosophy. The teacher is the teacher sponsor for pretty much the largest student organization fighting for women's rights.4400:04:29,920 --> 00:04:41,920And this is evidently what changed Williams kind of view on ending his life, taught by a teacher who was desperately longing for his wife.4500:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,920That was no longer with him.4600:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,920Harvard is not a good.4700:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,920If Harvard was like a comic book character, they would be the villain in the story.4800:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,920Really? Yeah, I, I hate to kind of paint it like that.4900:04:55,920 --> 00:05:01,920But Harvard would not allow women to get Harvard degrees.5000:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,920Oh, yeah, I actually heard about that.5100:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,920So that that's been a thing for a very long time.5200:05:07,920 --> 00:05:23,920Yes, they there was an annex college where Harvard professors would go and teach the same exact class to women, but they would not receive a Harvard degree.5300:05:23,920 --> 00:05:46,920Wow. And then also, George Palmer and his wife were fighting for equal education for every male for female students in particular, when Harvard finally said like, OK, if you raise if you fundraise two hundred and fifty thousand dollars as an endowment, we will allow it.5400:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,920How much money? Two hundred and fifty thousand back then, like 1910.5500:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,920That's a lot now.5600:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,920Well, nineteen hundreds or something. Yeah, it's that's an insane amount.5700:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,920And years, years, the crazy part.5800:05:59,920 --> 00:06:04,920That's like a castle like a mill.5900:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,920Right. Yes.6000:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,920They fundraise the money.6100:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,920Wow. They fundraised it.6200:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,920They went to Harvard.6300:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,920And Harvard told them, sorry, we changed our minds.6400:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,920They took the money, though.6500:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,920Hello, I like money.6600:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,920Harvard said, OK, you raise this money.6700:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,920Well, well, we'll take your idea and we'll run with it.6800:06:29,920 --> 00:06:30,920Yep.6900:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,920And Harvard was like, ooh, money.7000:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,920What was that other thing we wanted to do?7100:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,920I don't remember. It has nothing to do with women.7200:06:39,920 --> 00:06:40,920Oh, but this money, though.7300:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,920Yeah, right.7400:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,920Yeah. OK.7500:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,920So anyways, this became Williams favorite teacher, George Palmer.7600:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,920In 1911, the League announced its intent to host a lecture series.7700:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,920The first speaker was to be Florence Kelly, who fought for minimum wage7800:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,920and eight hour workday and to end child labor.7900:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,920And now she was advocating for women's suffrage.8000:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,920However, there was an issue.8100:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,920Harvard did not allow women speakers on campus.8200:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,920Now, it's an issue.8300:07:12,920 --> 00:07:18,920Huge bullshit, which is like very interesting for like an academic environment.8400:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,920Where you should be talking on campus.8500:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,920Imagine a college saying that today.8600:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,920Oh, yeah. No. Yeah.8700:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,920All women, you can't talk in classes.8800:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,920Or on come on school property at all.8900:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,920Right. That's nuts.9000:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,920If three or more people are listening to you talk. Stop.9100:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,920But yeah, the the president of Harvard at the time went on record9200:07:42,920 --> 00:07:49,920and stated they did not want a quote a mob of women trooping around the yard.9300:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,920Trooping. Yeah, I just very vague.9400:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,920Yeah, it almost seems like they were more concerned about like the lawn9500:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,920getting messed up versus, you know, because they didn't specifically say like,9600:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,920oh, we don't want like an angry protest.9700:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,920That just makes it sound like there are women everywhere.9800:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,920And that made them uncomfortable. Yeah.9900:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,920Anyway, so Harvard eventually agrees under the condition10000:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,920that after Florence Kelly, they would the next speaker would be someone10100:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,920that's against women's rights.10200:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,920Giving both sides like an ability to speak their side.10300:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,920Yeah, which even though, yeah, it's shitty.10400:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,920It's shitty, but it's it's the way like, I mean,10500:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,920that's how it's handled in court and stuff like you got to hear out both sides,10600:08:36,920 --> 00:08:43,920even though at the time one side was clearly wrong. Yeah.10700:08:43,920 --> 00:08:45,920So the college club agreed.10800:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,920They said, OK, you know, we will do Florence Kelly and then we will pick a speaker10900:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,920that's against women's rights like, OK.11000:08:53,920 --> 00:09:00,920And then they rebelled, which I like loved because I picture Harvard11100:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,920like college kids being like in their Harvard blazer and they're like shirt ties11200:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,920and they, you know, they try not to break the rules.11300:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,920That's like the very I know stereotypical Harvard view I have in my mind.11400:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,920And then they like when it gets against the system or like you actually11500:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,920we're going to try to do the next speaker,11600:09:20,920 --> 00:09:31,920another pro women's rights speaker, which is Miss Emeline Prankhurst.11700:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,920And I'm so sorry again, I need to figure this out.11800:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,920Like the main woman for women's suffrage. Yes.11900:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,920Not just anybody. The head honcho. Yeah. Head honcho.12000:09:43,920 --> 00:09:51,920This is this is like the again, if you recall from episode one, you know,12100:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,920she was like action, not words.12200:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,920She is the number one radical.12300:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,920If you want to call it radical at the time, probably she would.12400:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,920She would. Her and her followers would like chain themselves to gates and fences,12500:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,920for instance. Oh, yeah.12600:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,920They have like plenty of images from like women's protests12700:10:10,920 --> 00:10:16,920and like the early 1900s to mid 1900s of them like doing radical things like that.12800:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,920And I don't feel like it should be called radical.12900:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,920I feel like it's it was needed. Yeah.13000:10:21,920 --> 00:10:27,920So at the time it was very radical. I mean, it's for its time for its radical.13100:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,920It's crazy to consider that radical now. Yeah. Yeah.13200:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,920Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. So anyways, Harvard gets really upset.13300:10:35,920 --> 00:10:44,920They they banned her from the campus saying, quote, the college halls should not be open to lectures of women.13400:10:44,920 --> 00:10:56,920That's a quote that's that's a they should be ashamed for having that be one of their, you know, quotes for their, you know, part of their history.13500:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,920Yeah. Are there exactly.13600:10:58,920 --> 00:11:09,920This is this is where obviously Harvard is on the wrong side of history and it's it looks really bad.13700:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,920Yeah. And supposedly because the author of the book, they actually went and looked at Harvard's records.13800:11:14,920 --> 00:11:21,920You supposedly can go through Harvard's records and you can pull these documents out of their official response.13900:11:21,920 --> 00:11:35,920And it's it's very sad. And what's even more sad is the fact that the decision that Harvard made was supported by newspaper companies.14000:11:35,920 --> 00:11:42,920Well, when they printed this, they were on the side of Harvard agreeing with them.14100:11:42,920 --> 00:11:48,920So even back then, news, news, any news was very opinionated.14200:11:48,920 --> 00:11:54,920Yeah. Well, very heavily influenced by politics. We can't let women talk at our school.14300:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,920It's crazy. Like, what are they going to talk about?14400:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,920I remember saying something episode one. Humans are humans.14500:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,920Humans are humans. Yeah, we we all need the same rights.14600:12:06,920 --> 00:12:11,920Like, I don't understand why we are always fighting.14700:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,920We're still fighting for women's rights.14800:12:14,920 --> 00:12:21,920It is so it's just it's it's a long topic to talk about.14900:12:21,920 --> 00:12:30,920But yeah, equality. I feel like it's a fight that's getting more in women's favor slowly.15000:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,920But it should be it should have been that way a long time ago. Oh, yeah, definitely.15100:12:35,920 --> 00:12:40,920So what transpires from that?15200:12:40,920 --> 00:12:54,920So even though she was barred from campus, she did end up speaking on December the sixth, sixth, one block away from Harvard in a room that was designed to hold 500 people.15300:12:54,920 --> 00:13:00,920How convenient. Over 1500 people came to hear her speak.15400:13:00,920 --> 00:13:07,920Wow. And this like this fascinated William. At the time,15500:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,920William decided to take his finals before killing himself.15600:13:10,920 --> 00:13:16,920And after making it a and philosophy, he decided a different path on his life.15700:13:16,920 --> 00:13:22,920Wow. Yeah, like just just from getting a good grade.15800:13:22,920 --> 00:13:28,920Was this like some stuff that he wrote in his journal? And that's why we know this today. Yeah. Or is OK.15900:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,920So this is him. This is his story. Correct.16000:13:32,920 --> 00:13:39,920And like you said, this might be a little exaggerated, but at this, I don't think someone would exaggerate this kind of moment in their life.16100:13:39,920 --> 00:13:54,920I mean, sometimes when you do have like thoughts of self harm, when you write it down in a journal for me, when someone else reads it, because they don't understand what I'm going through because I never show it.16200:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,920They would be like, oh, this is this is ridiculous.16300:13:57,920 --> 00:14:03,920Writing that down in a journal means that that's that's a reality he accepted at a point in life.16400:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,920Like that was something that would have happened. Yeah. Yeah.16500:14:08,920 --> 00:14:18,920But I think like what's like very important to note here is that if you have a good college professor, right, they're going to inspire you.16600:14:18,920 --> 00:14:28,920For instance, when I was going through college for engineering, there was actually a person on campus, the mental health counselor that actually very much inspired me.16700:14:28,920 --> 00:14:47,920And even though I was an engineering student and even though like the majority engineering students did not super care or were into psychology, it very much inspired me to kind of get into psychology and to at least learn enough to try to help like other college students through like mental health crisis.16800:14:47,920 --> 00:15:01,920So yeah, I think it's just like to the to the teachers out there. Sometimes you don't even know what you're doing could like inspire somebody and have like profound impacts for the rest of their life.16900:15:01,920 --> 00:15:19,920I think a lot of teachers do consider that whenever they're teaching older, like all ages of people, kids, you know, that their teaching could really like be like impactful on them later on in life.17000:15:19,920 --> 00:15:28,920They'll be like, hey, thanks for teaching me how to two plus two. That really came in handy.17100:15:28,920 --> 00:15:37,920Is that the actual term for that? Yeah, adding two plus two.17200:15:37,920 --> 00:15:58,920So we did mention, for instance, the the $250,000 right that his teacher George Palmer and his wife fundraised to try to get tried to write, and this was the this was the annex college where college professors would go and teach the same classes.17300:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,920But you just wouldn't earn a Harvard degree.17400:16:02,920 --> 00:16:12,920And that college. Fun fact, would later become rad Radcliffe College.17500:16:12,920 --> 00:16:22,920I haven't heard of it, which is still a college today. And so, going back to the idea that Sadie Holloway is kind of wonder woman.17600:16:22,920 --> 00:16:36,920It is key to note that she went to Mount Holyoke in Massachusetts, which is a women's college founded in 1837 and actually the first college for women in the United States.17700:16:36,920 --> 00:16:43,920Now, what I want to kind of talk about is when we speak about Wonder Woman.17800:16:43,920 --> 00:16:49,920Why is Wonder Woman from the Amazon.17900:16:49,920 --> 00:16:56,920Hmm. That's a good question. I don't really actually, because they're so thick there.18000:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,920So you think it's like because they're strong. Sure.18100:17:00,920 --> 00:17:10,920Maybe I like most times when I think about like the Amazon like the Amazon forest I think of is like a really rough place to live like you have to be.18200:17:10,920 --> 00:17:20,920You have to have a strong personality. You have to be like a strong survivor to live there. So maybe that's why.18300:17:20,920 --> 00:17:26,920I mean, that's this is just, you know, in one of the last times, one of the last homes of Mother Nature.18400:17:26,920 --> 00:17:36,920Yeah, the epicenter of Mother Nature. Yeah, it is a place where like if you wanted to separate a whole entire group of people, you could.18500:17:36,920 --> 00:17:45,920You could secretly live in a, I guess, a kind of like secret woman society like unexplored territory like a Wonder Woman does.18600:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,920You know. Okay. Well, I don't know. What was the real reason?18700:17:49,920 --> 00:18:04,920No, so these are all probably very valid reasons. However, what most people don't probably realize, because this was before our time, was that the women's suffrage movement and also the feminist movement.18800:18:04,920 --> 00:18:10,920Often.18900:18:10,920 --> 00:18:18,920They use the Amazonian image of like anyone that was going against like the society norm.19000:18:18,920 --> 00:18:27,920So it became a very pro feminist icon was like the Amazonian. Oh, okay.19100:18:27,920 --> 00:18:41,920Interesting. So for instance, like Homer, the Amazonians had a very mystic essence about them living in harsh environments, like you said, stated from the rest, separated from the rest of the world, which you also mentioned.19200:18:41,920 --> 00:18:50,920When you say Homer, you mean like the ancient author Homer? Homer. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we're covering like a wide range of things here. Okay.19300:18:50,920 --> 00:19:04,920So Homer is a not not something. What a subject. So many suffragists from Williams time is said to have believed in an ancient land ruled by women.19400:19:04,920 --> 00:19:14,920Although there is no evidence to support this, keep in mind that in 1910, only 4% of Americans from the age of 18 to 21 actually attended college.19500:19:14,920 --> 00:19:24,920And in the 1920s, this number rose to 8%. The primary reason for this is that 40% of that 8% were women.19600:19:24,920 --> 00:19:34,920Wow. So really the number increased mostly because they're like, yeah, women can go to school now.19700:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,920Yeah. How women get more smarter.19800:19:38,920 --> 00:19:53,920How do they end? In 1911, the image of an Amazonian was any woman who rebelled against society, which meant anyone that thought women and men were equal or went to college.19900:19:53,920 --> 00:20:04,920That is who Sadie was. She was a rebel. She attended a college, one of only seven for women in the United States at the time.20000:20:04,920 --> 00:20:13,920And while she attended college, she was in the debating society, philosophy club, a bait club, the choir.20100:20:13,920 --> 00:20:19,920She worked for the college magazine and she played field hockey.20200:20:19,920 --> 00:20:25,920Field hockey. Field hockey. That's impressive. Like all over the place. Yeah.20300:20:25,920 --> 00:20:36,920Like that's high school, college years. That was her adult life. Yeah. Wow. Busy, busy woman. Busy.20400:20:36,920 --> 00:20:44,920And Wonder Woman on the side. Yeah. Don't give away our secret identity.20500:20:44,920 --> 00:21:01,920So learning a little bit about Sadie, Sadie loved Greek above all of her other classes. Her favorite book was supposedly Sappho Memoir, text selected rendering and a literal translation, which she would continue to read.20600:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,920It said up until her her death.20700:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,920And why is that important?20800:21:07,920 --> 00:21:19,920Sappho lived on a Greek island called Lesbos in 600 B.C. The word lesbian literally meant a resident of Lesbos.20900:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,920Oh, so fun little history back there. Yeah.21000:21:24,920 --> 00:21:33,920So just just in case you're wondering when you're calling someone a lesbian, you're saying they're from Lesbos.21100:21:33,920 --> 00:21:40,920Right. Which I don't even know that place exists anymore. Yeah, that's what they meant.21200:21:40,920 --> 00:21:47,920Yeah, we are from Lesbos.21300:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,920Anyway, what? OK.21400:21:50,920 --> 00:22:02,920She's done, I think. So what's what's really interesting is in 1912 when Sadie was a sophomore, the students put on an original play called The Thirteenth Amendment,21500:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,920a musical comedy about a world without men.21600:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,920Characters were Helen of Troy, Phinelepie, Electra and so on.21700:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,920And Sadie, of course, was Sappho and she read all of her lines in Greek.21800:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,920And I think that is like the foundation of Wonder Woman right there.21900:22:21,920 --> 00:22:36,920So you have these Greek characters, you have a world without men. Obviously, Wonder Woman came from an island without men, heavily rooted in like Greek mythology.22000:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,920Yeah, there's inspiration there.22100:22:38,920 --> 00:22:53,920I could see where an author would meet this person, this highly influential person and honestly gears start turning, you know, like, that's a great idea.22200:22:53,920 --> 00:23:00,920Honestly, but like, how could William Marsden not fall in love with this woman?22300:23:00,920 --> 00:23:11,920Keep in mind, knowing how William Marsden is at this point. Yeah. And keep in mind, they met when he was in the eighth grade, like he met her in the eighth grade.22400:23:11,920 --> 00:23:17,920So he fell in love with her like long before this time.22500:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,920But yeah, complete badass. Yeah.22600:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,920But going back to Harvard.22700:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,920I thought we don't want to go back to Harvard. No, we don't. Oh, we don't. But we're going to.22800:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,920But we're going to.22900:23:33,920 --> 00:23:50,920All right. So in 1905, Harvard opened its state of the art psychology research lab in Emerson Hall, designed by a German psychologist named Hugo Mostenberg.23000:23:50,920 --> 00:24:03,920Hugo, who had been brought in to help build the lab, ended up taking on a full time position at Harvard and was elected the president of the American Psychology Association.23100:24:03,920 --> 00:24:09,920His research was said to be centered around perception, emotion, reaction and sensation.23200:24:09,920 --> 00:24:23,920Among from having rabbits, guinea pigs and mice in cages for experiments, he also liked to experiment on female students. Oh, wow.23300:24:23,920 --> 00:24:36,920Now, what the fuck? Now, since we are painting a comic book villain here, he was highly against women's rights to education and against the women's suffrage movement.23400:24:36,920 --> 00:24:43,920He actually believed the only reason a woman should be educated was to make a better housewife.23500:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,920This is a comic book villain. No, this is a real person.23600:24:47,920 --> 00:24:53,920So it's a real person. But Marston writes him later into a comic book villain.23700:24:53,920 --> 00:24:59,920I mean, like I like I couldn't tell the difference. Oh, yeah. No, that was my point. Yeah.23800:24:59,920 --> 00:25:07,920Like I'm listening to him like, is this a comic film villain or like an actual like person that's like not a good person, obviously.23900:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,920And of course, he's against women being educated.24000:25:10,920 --> 00:25:19,920How else is he going to continue his experiments on women if they're smart? That's nuts. Yeah, that's very that's a very like how could you justify that?24100:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,920Oh, I experiment on other humans. So it is key to note.24200:25:24,920 --> 00:25:30,920For instance, I do not know the level of experiments that he did on women.24300:25:30,920 --> 00:25:37,920William Marston, for instance, did experiments on female students when he becomes a college professor.24400:25:37,920 --> 00:25:44,920However, it was simply like monitoring like their blood pressure. Very ethical experiments.24500:25:44,920 --> 00:25:55,920I know. So we actually don't know. However, this is very interesting because we know what William Marston, like what experiments he does.24600:25:55,920 --> 00:26:10,920And it is kind of based off of Hugo's experiments. So keep in mind, he was he was interested in, for instance, perception, emotion, reaction and sensations.24700:26:10,920 --> 00:26:20,920So I don't think when we say like experiments, I don't think he was like, you know, like trying these radical chemicals on female students or anything.24800:26:20,920 --> 00:26:29,920OK. OK. But still, like, you know, why not?24900:26:29,920 --> 00:26:50,920So there's actually a San Francisco Chronicle article about Professor Hugo, where he states that women are not fit for jury duty as they are unwilling to listen to argument and cannot be brought to change their opinion on any subject.25000:26:50,920 --> 00:26:58,920That is a direct quote. Well, someone said that about women. That's what shocks me.25100:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,920Geez, like what?25200:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,920Hilarious.25300:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,920I irony.25400:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,920Right. Right.25500:27:09,920 --> 00:27:23,920It also. He also goes on or through my research, I also found out that he fought against women to have the right to vote, saying they had too much to do at home to understand politics25600:27:23,920 --> 00:27:31,920and express that they would easily be corrupted with their feeble minds.25700:27:31,920 --> 00:27:39,920This that typical uneducated male opinion like arrogance. Can we get away from that arrogance?25800:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,920It just comes from arrogance.25900:27:42,920 --> 00:27:50,920It kind of comes down to just the men at this time just wanted to keep women in the household like as housewives.26000:27:50,920 --> 00:28:01,920Imagine being a woman and reading that back then and understanding politics and being just wow.26100:28:01,920 --> 00:28:09,920Well, that's so that's kind of the sad part here is that keep in mind during this time.26200:28:09,920 --> 00:28:16,920Only 4% of Americans went to college and like a very small percentage of that were women.26300:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,920Oh, you mean the women that they weren't allowing an education.26400:28:20,920 --> 00:28:29,920Yeah. So I kind of feel like it was very rare to have a very educated woman, almost like it was on purpose.26500:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,920I mean, yeah.26600:28:31,920 --> 00:28:38,920Prevent them from getting education and then they can't fight for their rights because they don't understand, which is bullshit.26700:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,920Yeah.26800:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,920In a way, it was back then like modern day slavery, right?26900:28:46,920 --> 00:28:56,920Because you don't let them become educated. You kind of brainwash them from a very early age that you're supposed to just go home and be a wife.27000:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,920Yeah. Go raise the next generation of America, please.27100:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,920And we still it's crazy because there's still people I think that today.27200:29:06,920 --> 00:29:21,920Oh, yeah, which I mean, it just it just goes to show that like no matter how much progression there is, there's still people that will not seem like they refuse to progress.27300:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,920They refuse to become educated.27400:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,920Yeah, they'll die eventually.27500:29:30,920 --> 00:29:31,920Those people will become extinct.27600:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,920Hopefully their children will decide to not be ignorant.27700:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,920That's all we can help or that they just don't procreate.27800:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,920Oh, that's always an option.27900:29:40,920 --> 00:29:46,920So getting back to William.28000:29:46,920 --> 00:29:52,920At this point in his sophomore year, William becomes very impressive at college.28100:29:52,920 --> 00:30:08,920He's getting A's in classes that typically doesn't hand out A's and he actually gets hired to be an assistant to Hugo to do experiments on women at Radcliffe College.28200:30:08,920 --> 00:30:18,920And now when William Marston was hired, his experiments were designed to detect deception, which Hugo had been working on for years now.28300:30:18,920 --> 00:30:36,920What's really kind of interesting, again, painting this like kind of classic comic book villain around this time, Hugo starts getting into a lot of trouble, if you will.28400:30:36,920 --> 00:30:43,920So Hugo coming from Germany, believe that Germany was superior than America.28500:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,920I see where this is going.28600:30:45,920 --> 00:30:52,920Notions of equal rights for women was an example to him of America being weak and starting to crumble.28700:30:52,920 --> 00:31:00,920His military views of Germany were so bad that eventually people started calling for his deportation in 1907.28800:31:00,920 --> 00:31:07,920So and also it's key to note in 1910 and through 1911, he spent his time in Berlin.28900:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,920And when he when he returned, people were convinced he was a spy.29000:31:11,920 --> 00:31:22,920By the time he was by the time he hired William Marston as an assistant in 1912, Hugo's professional career was almost over.29100:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,920Makes sense.29200:31:26,920 --> 00:31:32,920Now, during William Marston's second year at college, his father's business started to fail.29300:31:32,920 --> 00:31:38,920So he decided decided to pay his way through college by writing scenarios, which at the time were movie scripts.29400:31:38,920 --> 00:31:45,920So at this time, picture shows or movies were just kind of emerging.29500:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,920So this was very new, kind of like technology.29600:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,920People would pay, I believe, twenty five cents to go see a movie.29700:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,920No, I'm sorry. They would pay five cents to go see a movie.29800:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,920Twenty five cents. That's ridiculous.29900:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,920Way too expensive. Full take a gas. What are you talking about?30000:32:08,920 --> 00:32:14,920And also they paid twenty five dollars per movie script wrote.30100:32:14,920 --> 00:32:22,920So during his sophomore year, he actually became a, if you will, a movie script writer.30200:32:22,920 --> 00:32:32,920So during this time, with his help from Sadie, he actually runs experiments monitoring blood pressure as students read from sealed envelopes30300:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,920where some are told truths and some are told lies.30400:32:36,920 --> 00:32:42,920Another set of students acting as a jury tried to tell which one was telling the truth.30500:32:42,920 --> 00:32:52,920The results were that he was able to tell if someone was lying 90 percent of the time, whereas the jury was only correct about 50 percent of the time.30600:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,920Thus, the lie detector was born.30700:32:55,920 --> 00:33:02,920It was a little baby lie detector, a little baby cute little lie detector.30800:33:02,920 --> 00:33:14,920Yeah, but that was like the primitive stuff that built like blood pressure and stuff like not baby baby.30900:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,920Baby blood detector.31000:33:17,920 --> 00:33:28,920Now, William would go on to be the charter president of Phi Beta Kappa and graduate on June 24th, 1915 as Magna Colata.31100:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,920Impressive. He would be accepted into grad school.31200:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,920Sadie graduated just before him on June 16th that same year for her 22nd birthday.31300:33:40,920 --> 00:33:48,920He actually got her a book of poems and underlined this little poem.31400:33:48,920 --> 00:33:57,920Quote, I saw a cat was but a dream who scorned the slave that brought her cream.31500:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,920What? Cream cat.31600:33:59,920 --> 00:34:04,920So what's kind of funny here is William Marston actually wrote in the margin.31700:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,920It sounds a little filthy.31800:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,920Ha ha ha. That's what I was like. Oh, is that what I heard it was?31900:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,920Yeah, it was kind of just kind of like a fun little tidbit I found when doing some research.32000:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,920I would throw that in there.32100:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,920Cute. So in September, they both got married.32200:34:22,920 --> 00:34:32,920And even though Sadie liked her name, William convinced her to change her name to Betty Marston.32300:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,920Oh, I like Sadie so much.32400:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,920We're going to continue to use Sadie because I just don't like that.32500:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,920Yeah, I like Sadie. Sadie is such a prettier name.32600:34:41,920 --> 00:34:51,920Yeah. And I thought this was like really interesting because we're going to get into it a little bit later.32700:34:51,920 --> 00:34:58,920But William Marston, he is a submissive male in his relationship.32800:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,920He believes that women are superior.32900:35:02,920 --> 00:35:09,920But there are examples where he kind of contradicts that.33000:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,920So, like, for instance, like making her change her name. Yeah.33100:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,920And there's a few other examples. I just kind of don't like it.33200:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,920Well, what was the purpose for her changing her name? So it does not state.33300:35:23,920 --> 00:35:29,920So we don't know the purpose of that. There may be a fundamental reason that we just don't know because time.33400:35:29,920 --> 00:35:35,920Correct. Yeah. So I just thought it was like a little odd.33500:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,920Yeah. Well, there might be more to that. It might not be that he pushed for that.33600:35:39,920 --> 00:35:45,920Or maybe he did. Maybe. I don't know. A lot of people do weird things for weird reasons.33700:35:45,920 --> 00:35:53,920I am interested in your opinion once we learn how Olive gets introduced into the relationship.33800:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,920So we're going to revisit that because that's that's like the hard part for me33900:35:58,920 --> 00:36:06,920is that like doing all the research when I go back and I look at like these small little tidbits on my in comparison to the movie.34000:36:06,920 --> 00:36:15,920There we go. Well, just like it like as I guess, like knowing the ending of the story already, it's like these little ways that a clue.34100:36:15,920 --> 00:36:21,920What is that? Is that a clue? I think I found a clue.34200:36:21,920 --> 00:36:30,920So in September, they both got married. He went on to Harvard Law School. She went on to Boston Law School.34300:36:30,920 --> 00:36:41,920She did really well in her studies, whereas Williams seemed to be more focused on proving his lie detector, never earning higher than a C in any class.34400:36:41,920 --> 00:36:49,920She would go later on to say that when. OK. So here we go.34500:36:49,920 --> 00:36:57,920She would go on to say that she was stuck when asked about changing her name.34600:36:57,920 --> 00:37:07,920So there's like that one little tidbit, but I also still want to revisit it once we choose on the fence about it, once we like kind of is that what I'm hearing?34700:37:07,920 --> 00:37:14,920Well, for me, when I say when when I read that she was stuck, I feel like she didn't have a choice.34800:37:14,920 --> 00:37:25,920Like she was married to William or she was going to marry William and she was kind of an ultimatum, like change your name or we're not doing this.34900:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,920I don't know if it was that intense.35000:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,920But it was something she felt that she had to do for some reason. And we just can't really explore that any further.35100:37:36,920 --> 00:37:48,920And keep in mind, like in this society where, you know, men were the controlling force of a marriage or a household.35200:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,920It was kind of more like whatever the male decided that was it.35300:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,920Like that was the end of discussion. That was the way.35400:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,920You know, this is the way.35500:38:00,920 --> 00:38:09,920So kind of like keep that in mind as well. So back then, if your husband said to like do something, you really didn't have a choice.35600:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,920Like you kind of had to do it. It's kind of how I view it.35700:38:12,920 --> 00:38:27,920Yeah, it is that time period of of history where men were in control of their wives and women as a whole, which is sad.35800:38:27,920 --> 00:38:35,920So on April 6th, 1917, America declared war on Germany.35900:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,920What was supposed to also happen that day? That same day?36000:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,920I forgot to turn off my straightener.36100:38:43,920 --> 00:38:53,920What? So that same day, a bill was supposed to be presented into Congress to give women the right to vote.36200:38:53,920 --> 00:39:05,920Oh, OK. So Congress declares war on the same day that women's rights were supposed to pass.36300:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,920Well, it was supposed to be introduced to Congress.36400:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,920To be fair, we don't know if it was going to pass or not. You know how politics is.36500:39:10,920 --> 00:39:17,920OK, so we declare war on the same day that we were supposed to look into women getting rights.36600:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,920Yes. Just by chance.36700:39:20,920 --> 00:39:26,920Yeah. I wonder if it's a coincidence.36800:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,920OK, so we're going to change speeds a little bit.36900:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,920If you watch the movie, you know about Olive. Yes.37000:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,920So let's bring her into the picture. Let's bring Olive into the picture.37100:39:38,920 --> 00:39:51,920That's a great olive. Oh. So Olive Byrne was born 1904 in Corning, New York.37200:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,920I'm from New York. You are. Do you know where Corning is?37300:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,920No, she doesn't. I have no idea.37400:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,920And a lot of New York people would probably be like, you don't know where Corning is?37500:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,920Yeah, but all people from New York feel that they need to tell people they're from. It's important.37600:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,920Who do you think I am? I lived in New York.37700:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,920So. Maybe back on to all. Yeah, she's from New York.37800:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,920She's from New York. It is said that her aunt.37900:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,920So I all of his backstory is very interesting to me.38000:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,920It said that her aunt, who was a nurse, delivered olive at their house.38100:40:28,920 --> 00:40:35,920However, when all his father came home drunk and all his mother could not stop her from crying.38200:40:35,920 --> 00:40:41,920And then she went to the bank. Her father threw the baby out the door into a snow bank.38300:40:41,920 --> 00:40:50,920Oh, my goodness. Her aunt ran out, grabbed the baby, and her father went back to the bar and didn't return for a few days.38400:40:50,920 --> 00:40:58,920What the fuck? His his daughter is born and he just throws her out the door.38500:40:58,920 --> 00:41:06,920So history is from the perspective of the victor. So this could be extremely exaggerated.38600:41:06,920 --> 00:41:12,920We are relying on other people's like testimony, journals, diaries.38700:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,920Yeah, we don't have footage of her being thrown out into the snow.38800:41:17,920 --> 00:41:23,920Yeah, that's true. But because usually the exaggerations and the exaggeration of the truth.38900:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,920So there was some truth there. I do believe there's some truth.39000:41:27,920 --> 00:41:38,920Which any kind of motion of like even if it's like putting a baby outside in the snow, that itself is terrible because it's a newborn that you're putting out in the cold.39100:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,920What's wrong with you? It's a baby. It's a baby.39200:41:42,920 --> 00:41:48,920It's not only a baby, a newborn. It's a baby. It's a baby.39300:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,920So let's let's continue on with all of childhood, shall we?39400:41:53,920 --> 00:42:09,920Her mother, Ethel, trying to keep her to keep all of from crying one time gave all of so much medicine containing morphine that she slept for two days and a doctor had to be called to wake her back up.39500:42:09,920 --> 00:42:15,920As a child as a child. Yes. What the fuck is wrong with her parents?39600:42:15,920 --> 00:42:23,920However, I mean, what do they know of morphine back then? Right. Other than it just it stops. It makes pain stop.39700:42:23,920 --> 00:42:32,920And also you're like, keep in mind, I'm not sure exactly when like Coca-Cola came out, but when Coca-Cola first came out, it had cocaine in it.39800:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,920Yeah, I forgot what time we're talking. We didn't understand drugs back then.39900:42:36,920 --> 00:42:42,920We used lead paint for everything. Like this is not a good time. Yeah.40000:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,920I keep forgetting the time period.40100:42:45,920 --> 00:42:53,920However, when Olive was three and her brother is five, their mother took her to her husband's parents house and disappeared.40200:42:53,920 --> 00:43:01,920All of his grandparents adopted them and told them both that their parents had died.40300:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,920Yes, I don't know if that was the lie to tell.40400:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,920Well, the lie detector test wasn't developed yet.40500:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,920However, in 1913, when Olive was nine, her father did actually pass away.40600:43:15,920 --> 00:43:23,920And when she was 10, both her grandparents passed away, putting Olive in a Catholic orphanage.40700:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,920She had a really rough childhood.40800:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,920Now, it is key to know who her aunt is.40900:43:30,920 --> 00:43:37,920Her aunt is Margaret Sanger. Another really important name in women's suffrage.41000:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,920Yes. Yes. Very important.41100:43:40,920 --> 00:43:48,920So that is who delivered her. She believed in free love, socialism and feminism.41200:43:48,920 --> 00:43:59,920You know, her delivering her niece Olive was probably one of the easiest things she's done in her life compared to like the movements she's fought for.41300:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,920Yes. In women's suffrage.41400:44:02,920 --> 00:44:12,920And to me, it's a little sad because she was a very profound figure.41500:44:12,920 --> 00:44:18,920However, it was at a cost.41600:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,920Which we're about to learn about.41700:44:20,920 --> 00:44:37,920So in 1912, Margaret Sanger wrote a 12 part series in New York called What Every Girl Should Know. It covered sexual attraction, masturbation, intercourse, venereal disease, pregnancy and childbirth.41800:44:37,920 --> 00:44:52,920Part 12 was called Some Consequences of Ignorance and Silence, which was banned and replaced with quote what every girl should know, comma all caps, nothing.41900:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,920End quote.42000:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,920What?42100:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,920That's.42200:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,920Nothing.42300:45:02,920 --> 00:45:10,920In 1914, Margaret Sanger Sanger and Ethel Byrne started publishing a woman rebel.42400:45:10,920 --> 00:45:20,920Sorry, started publishing the women rebel a monthly feminism magazine where they coined the term birth control.42500:45:20,920 --> 00:45:26,920Six out of seven of the magazines were seized and declared obscene.42600:45:26,920 --> 00:45:33,920Sanger fled the country going to England where she gathered research on birth control.42700:45:33,920 --> 00:45:48,920There she met Havelick Ellis, a doctor and psychologist who wrote many banned works, some include including sexual inversion studies in the psychology of the sex.42800:45:48,920 --> 00:46:09,920He wrote actually all six volumes of that. Some of his ideas were empathy towards homosexuality, evolution of marriage has resulted in women without sexual pleasure, which was cruel and erotic rights of women were just as important as political rights.42900:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,920The fact that she had to flee the country.43000:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,920I mean, that's it was what year.43100:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,920So we're looking at, I want to say about 1915.43200:46:20,920 --> 00:46:21,920Yeah, 1914.43300:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,920Yeah, flood the country.43400:46:23,920 --> 00:46:24,920Yeah.43500:46:24,920 --> 00:46:25,920Yeah, that that checked out.43600:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,920Now, Sanger and Ellis became lovers.43700:46:28,920 --> 00:46:47,920Sanger wrote a 15 page pamphlet on what she learned in Europe called Family Limitation. Now, getting into some of the costs, her husband and 1915 was arrested for handing out that pamphlet.43800:46:47,920 --> 00:46:57,920Judge told him quote, Your crime is not only in violation of the laws of man, but the laws of God as well.43900:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,920Hugh Dyrall.44000:46:59,920 --> 00:47:00,920Yeah.44100:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,920Yeah.44200:47:03,920 --> 00:47:18,920So, Margaret Sanger actually returned to the United States to be with her daughter, Peggy, who had contracted pneumonia, and unfortunately later passed away.44300:47:18,920 --> 00:47:36,920Sanger was devastated to hear her daughter. When she was holding her. Evidently one of the last things her daughter told her was, I want an Ethel to hold me not you.44400:47:36,920 --> 00:47:50,920And this is in regards to probably her daughter viewed her like just kind of like picking the feminist movement over her and like kind of fleeing the country running off.44500:47:50,920 --> 00:48:00,920So that when she did return, she, her daughter wanted nothing to do with her, and then she didn't pass away because she cared about her cause too much right over her own blood.44600:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,920Yes.44700:48:04,920 --> 00:48:11,920But how many times have we had to cut family off for what we believe in.44800:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,920It just sucks when it comes from a child. Yeah.44900:48:16,920 --> 00:48:29,920I know some of our listeners are probably going to say that she was very selfish that she ran to Europe, got a European lover and was having the time of her life and while her husband was being arrested.45000:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,920And she left her children.45100:48:31,920 --> 00:48:41,920However, keep in mind this was also it was illegal for birth control. So, you know, mothers are having children that they do not want.45200:48:41,920 --> 00:48:42,920Yes.45300:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,920What people they do not want to have them with.45400:48:44,920 --> 00:49:00,920And, you know, Sanger did express like free love, and I, I'm hoping there was some sort of like communication between her and her husband, some sort of understanding with that that they were able to kind of come to terms with.45500:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,920They simply do not know it happened. Yeah, who knows.45600:49:03,920 --> 00:49:11,920It happened over 100 years ago. While she was in the United States she was arrested, she was supposed to be put on trial.45700:49:11,920 --> 00:49:23,920She refused a lawyer, she wanted to represent herself. However, the court dropped the trial in fear of a greed grieving mother would help her cause.45800:49:23,920 --> 00:49:31,920They essentially they did not want press, and it is stated that Sanger was furious to not get her day in court.45900:49:31,920 --> 00:49:37,920Her and Ethel actually opened up a clinic to show how condoms were used.46000:49:37,920 --> 00:49:47,920However, nine days after the clinic and undercover policewoman pretending to be a mother of two attended the clinic, and they were both later arrested.46100:49:47,920 --> 00:50:04,920Their crime was distributing any recipe drug or medicine for the person prevention of conception, which is like in I know we've stated this so many times now but that's like insane to be arrested for.46200:50:04,920 --> 00:50:16,920Yeah, like seriously. Hey, I'm arresting you for practicing safe sex. Right. You're under arrest. You need to make babies, you need to make babies and you need HIV.46300:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,920I need more babies. I need all of the babies.46400:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,920You will get chlamydia and die. Geez. It's insane.46500:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,920Cool, because we need more soldiers.46600:50:27,920 --> 00:50:28,920Yeah.46700:50:28,920 --> 00:50:37,920We're just a giant farm for our military.46800:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,920What a concept.46900:50:40,920 --> 00:50:51,920All right. I mean, to a degree right like you have to have a population, willing to go into the military to have a very large, strong military.47000:50:51,920 --> 00:51:01,920Yeah, and then we send the soldiers to the high schools to pick more up soon as they're fresh, you know.47100:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,920But I almost, I almost got pulled into that.47200:51:06,920 --> 00:51:16,920I almost got wait. Yeah, I did. There man was 18. And we graduated, I scheduled an appointment with a Marine recruiter.47300:51:16,920 --> 00:51:29,920I think in like the high school time right you're trying to figure yourself out you want to escape like out from underneath your parents you want to rebel in the military is there and I was like hey you want to go like travel the world.47400:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,920I want to like do something cool.47500:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,920Play like Call of Duty right.47600:51:36,920 --> 00:51:42,920All right, so back to the story.47700:51:42,920 --> 00:51:48,920Ethel was sentenced to 30 days in jail, where she went on a hunger strike.47800:51:48,920 --> 00:51:56,920The story made the New York Times front page, four days in a row. Fuck yeah, good on her.47900:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,920This caused picketing outside the White House. Good.48000:52:00,920 --> 00:52:09,920Ethel went a week without eating or drinking before the prison started force feeding her milk and raw eggs while she was passed out.48100:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,920Holy shit what the.48200:52:12,920 --> 00:52:20,920This is really bad like, did you say raw eggs raw eggs yeah it's it's a good source of protein.48300:52:20,920 --> 00:52:31,920Yeah, but they're force feeding it to her while she is passed out against her like that. Yeah, that is against human rights like, well, well, this was before women have human rights.48400:52:31,920 --> 00:52:40,920Yeah, you forget it's just devastating to hear this right now, coming from force feeding eggs.48500:52:40,920 --> 00:52:51,920You did not know you were signing up for this when you're like I'm going to tune in for a podcast about William Marston and kink and polyamory probably.48600:52:51,920 --> 00:53:01,920Right. Right. Yes. That's, that's why, for instance, like, I'm not sure if you guys know, but there's like a.48700:53:01,920 --> 00:53:07,920It's very common to do like a raw egg shake in the morning. Yeah.48800:53:07,920 --> 00:53:13,920It's not pure protein but it provides a lot of protein. Yeah.48900:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,920Of course, milk and eggs.49000:53:16,920 --> 00:53:24,920Fun fact, she became the first female in us in the US prison system to be force fed.49100:53:24,920 --> 00:53:41,920Now what's very interesting about this is that her sister, Sanger actually went to the governor's office and pleaded for her sister to be released from prison stating that she was not going to survive, because she knew her sister would continue to go on hunger49200:53:41,920 --> 00:53:42,920strikes.49300:53:42,920 --> 00:53:48,920And she was really worried that she was going to die in prison.49400:53:48,920 --> 00:54:04,920So, Sanger actually proposed that her sister would have nothing to do with the birth control movement, if she was released from prison, and then that she would take kind of full responsibility.49500:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,920If anything did happen.49600:54:06,920 --> 00:54:12,920Now at the time, Ethel was passed out unconscious.49700:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,920She couldn't speak on her for herself.49800:54:16,920 --> 00:54:28,920So the government governor did pardon her, she was released from prison. However, Ethel never forgave her sister for taking her out of the birth control fight.49900:54:28,920 --> 00:54:44,920She had all the pieces on her side, like she was ready to put, put people in checkmate. She's making some big moves there. Yeah, and then to be pulled out of the fight when you're, you're, you're like, she said she was in the headlines for four days in a row.50000:54:44,920 --> 00:54:55,920I could see why she was upset. Let's be honest, though, her sister probably didn't understand as much, unless there's directly explained to her like, hey, leave me alone.50100:54:55,920 --> 00:55:13,920Let me handle this. I am basically, if anything happens to me, I'm a martyr for the cause, like this literally enforces our cause more. If they let me die, like, like essentially what that's her move was that she's going to starve herself if they50200:55:13,920 --> 00:55:24,920force feed her. It's bad. If they let her die. It's bad on them. If like anything they do at that point, it's looks bad on them. It's clearly unethical. Yeah.50300:55:24,920 --> 00:55:33,920And I can see why she would be so upset for her sister to pull her out. But you can also see it from the other side like it's family, like you don't like you're going to care.50400:55:33,920 --> 00:55:45,920And her sister probably saw it as I'm going to protect her from herself in this situation. I don't want my I don't want to lose my sister over this. The day after her sister was released from prison.50500:55:45,920 --> 00:56:03,920She was sentenced to 30 days in prison as well. She served the entire 30 days. She did not go on a hunger strike. She just evidently very peacefully served her time and then got out. So I bet you that didn't go over well with her sister.50600:56:03,920 --> 00:56:12,920I think I think it was more so she was mad again about like being kind of taken out of the movement.50700:56:12,920 --> 00:56:23,920She was kind of like a spirit alert. Yeah, but it just it goes show like how different they handle the situation and how differently they feel about the situation.50800:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,920What's danger do next.50900:56:25,920 --> 00:56:46,920So when all of when all of it was 16, she went and visited her, her mother for the first time in 10 years. Sanger went on to fight for birth control divorcing her husband and starting a long affair with famous author HG Wells.51000:56:46,920 --> 00:57:00,920What? Yeah, no shit. Holy shit. Everyone knows HG Wells. Yeah, this is this. The story is insane with like the name drops that just like kind of casually happened throughout like this world is getting smaller and smaller.51100:57:00,920 --> 00:57:26,920Yeah. In his 1922 book, the secret places of my heart. Sanger is the inspiration of the hero's lover between 1920 and 1926. Sanger's two books, Woman and the New Race and Pivot of Civilization, sold a combined total of over one million copies.51200:57:26,920 --> 00:57:34,920However, in 1920, the 19th Amendment was signed and women were granted the right to vote.51300:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,920Finally, finally.51400:57:37,920 --> 00:57:57,920One book specifically caught attention. Woman of the New Race was picked up by both Mr. and Mrs. Marston, who in 1920 were both studying for grad degrees in psychology, which would later be used in the creation of Wonder Woman.51500:57:57,920 --> 00:58:18,920In fact, when later on, once Wonder Woman is already established and William Marston actually hires a writer to kind of write some of the Wonder Woman stories, this book is actually given to the writer and says like, here's everything you need to know about Wonder Woman.51600:58:18,920 --> 00:58:29,920So this is like this is insane. Keep in mind William Marston does not know who all of this, but they have a copy of her aunt's book.51700:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,920That's wild. This is insane.51800:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,920Like the world is so small, like you.51900:58:34,920 --> 00:58:35,920Wow.52000:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,920Like, I can't I can't believe it.52100:58:39,920 --> 00:58:50,920All right, so we covered a lot in today's episode. Next time we're going to pick up all of going to college.52200:58:50,920 --> 00:58:59,920Spicy. Yeah, her life is so spicy so far the spiciness and falling in love with one of her college professors.52300:58:59,920 --> 00:59:03,920Oh, I wonder who it could be.52400:59:03,920 --> 00:59:22,920And then also the, I guess the evolution of William Marston and Sadie Holloway's kind of marriage and the kind of formation into the poly relationship that they had a love triangle love triangle.52500:59:22,920 --> 00:59:38,920Yeah. So and if you saw the movie already and then you know this is kind of where things are going to kind of get picked up. So a lot of what we've kind of stated already hasn't really been in the movie so far.52600:59:38,920 --> 00:59:44,920Yeah, now the next episode is going to kind of like kick into what the movie covered.52700:59:44,920 --> 00:59:52,920Yeah, and hopefully we will do our best to un Hollywood, what the movie did. Yes.52800:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,920Yes, yes definitely. I think.52900:59:57,920 --> 01:00:04,920Think we will be able to draw out some comparisons between the movie and actuality, real life.53001:00:04,920 --> 01:00:15,920I'm excited. But hopefully you are still listening and you're not too too bored about this subject I find it fascinating. It's, it's insane.53101:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,920Learning about this.53201:00:17,920 --> 01:00:33,920Like I said I did not know the majority about like the women's rights movement. I knew like the basic very broad like, and all of the names, all of the, all of the, like, I feel like we'd have Charlie somewhere like, take a look at this.53301:00:33,920 --> 01:00:47,920Oh my god, right there is the mail now let's talk about the mail. When we talk about the mail please Mac I'm dying to talk about the mail for you all day and someone that's coming up in the next episode is Jay Edgar Hoover gets introduced into that's right.53401:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,920I do remember that part. Okay, yeah, that's exciting.53501:00:50,920 --> 01:01:03,920That's unnatural to some we've been talking about William Marsden a little bit more this is part two of many parts series, stay tuned for more will be coming at you with part three soon. Until next time, stay kinky.53601:01:03,920 --> 01:01:21,920Sign out.