Episode 4: William Marston Pt2 - Wonder Woman and kink?

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:29,920 This is part two of our William Marston series. 2 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:39,920 If you recall last time we just kind of covered William and Sadie Holloway's kind of backstory, them kind of growing up as young children. 3 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:47,920 And we left off in the college times. We also kind of just painted like what America looked like back then. 4 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:56,920 So we're just going to jump right into William's experience in college and then kind of go into Sadie Holloway's experience in college. 5 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:05,920 This is really, if you think about a traditional kind of college story, that's when you, the world has opened up to you, right? 6 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:14,920 So we're going to see a lot of the ideas kind of form from their college experience. 7 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:21,920 We're about to see, this is essentially the origins of what would later become Wonder Woman. 8 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,920 The origin story of Wonder Woman's author. 9 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,920 So not her origin story. 10 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:29,920 No. 11 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:30,920 Origin story. 12 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:31,920 Sort of. 13 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:32,920 Sort of. 14 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:33,920 But not really. 15 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:41,920 No, it's more like the origin story of the origin story. 16 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:42,920 Whoa. 17 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:43,920 Whoa. 18 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,920 Mind blowing. 19 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,920 So, yeah, let's dive into it. 20 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,920 All right, let's get going. 21 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:58,920 So where we left off, William was thinking about killing himself. 22 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,920 Some pretty heavy shit. 23 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,920 Yeah, we're just jumping right into it. Just, there we go. 24 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:14,920 Right into it. Yeah, I think you're talking about how he used some kind of chemical acid, not the drug, of course, to try to end his life. 25 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:18,920 And it sounds like he was inspired by a book he was reading. 26 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:22,920 Yeah, one of his favorite books, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. 27 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:25,920 We know that he had that book. 28 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:34,920 I want to say, if my memory serves me correctly, that his mother either gave him the book or would read it to him when he was a child. 29 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:37,920 Fun little fact in the future. 30 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:53,920 His blood pressure cuff, which would later become the lie detector, was actually used in the original movie for Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde to gauge audience reaction. 31 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:55,920 But we'll get into that later. 32 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:58,920 But it's interesting. 33 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:09,920 So we left off kind of William Arston, I kind of mentioned he could do anything he set his mind to. However, he got to college and then he realized life is hard. 34 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:19,920 Yeah, and he decided that if he didn't do anything noteworthy in his life, that it just was no, there was no point in living. 35 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:20,920 Right. Okay. 36 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:27,920 Now, one class, however, that he really took a liking to was philosophy. 37 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:28,920 Oh, that's a good class. 38 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:36,920 So, yes, which is kind of interesting because he was going to Harvard for law, but he falls in love with philosophy. 39 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:49,920 So this class was taught by George Herbert Palmer, his wife, Alice Freeman Palmer passed away in 1902, and he never stopped mourning her death. 40 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:55,920 It is actually believed that Herbert Palmer saved William Marsden's life. 41 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:14,920 So the thing to the thing to note here is that George Palmer was the teacher sponsor of Harvard's men's League of Women's Suffrage founded in 1910, the year before William accepted got accepted into Harvard. 42 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:15,920 Oh, wow. 43 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:29,920 So the class that he falls in love with is philosophy. The teacher is the teacher sponsor for pretty much the largest student organization fighting for women's rights. 44 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:41,920 And this is evidently what changed Williams kind of view on ending his life, taught by a teacher who was desperately longing for his wife. 45 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,920 That was no longer with him. 46 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,920 Harvard is not a good. 47 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,920 If Harvard was like a comic book character, they would be the villain in the story. 48 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,920 Really? Yeah, I, I hate to kind of paint it like that. 49 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:01,920 But Harvard would not allow women to get Harvard degrees. 50 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,920 Oh, yeah, I actually heard about that. 51 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,920 So that that's been a thing for a very long time. 52 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:23,920 Yes, they there was an annex college where Harvard professors would go and teach the same exact class to women, but they would not receive a Harvard degree. 53 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:46,920 Wow. And then also, George Palmer and his wife were fighting for equal education for every male for female students in particular, when Harvard finally said like, OK, if you raise if you fundraise two hundred and fifty thousand dollars as an endowment, we will allow it. 54 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,920 How much money? Two hundred and fifty thousand back then, like 1910. 55 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,920 That's a lot now. 56 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,920 Well, nineteen hundreds or something. Yeah, it's that's an insane amount. 57 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,920 And years, years, the crazy part. 58 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:04,920 That's like a castle like a mill. 59 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,920 Right. Yes. 60 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,920 They fundraise the money. 61 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,920 Wow. They fundraised it. 62 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,920 They went to Harvard. 63 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,920 And Harvard told them, sorry, we changed our minds. 64 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,920 They took the money, though. 65 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,920 Hello, I like money. 66 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,920 Harvard said, OK, you raise this money. 67 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,920 Well, well, we'll take your idea and we'll run with it. 68 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:30,920 Yep. 69 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,920 And Harvard was like, ooh, money. 70 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,920 What was that other thing we wanted to do? 71 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,920 I don't remember. It has nothing to do with women. 72 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:40,920 Oh, but this money, though. 73 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,920 Yeah, right. 74 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,920 Yeah. OK. 75 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,920 So anyways, this became Williams favorite teacher, George Palmer. 76 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,920 In 1911, the League announced its intent to host a lecture series. 77 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,920 The first speaker was to be Florence Kelly, who fought for minimum wage 78 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,920 and eight hour workday and to end child labor. 79 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,920 And now she was advocating for women's suffrage. 80 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,920 However, there was an issue. 81 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,920 Harvard did not allow women speakers on campus. 82 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,920 Now, it's an issue. 83 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:18,920 Huge bullshit, which is like very interesting for like an academic environment. 84 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,920 Where you should be talking on campus. 85 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,920 Imagine a college saying that today. 86 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,920 Oh, yeah. No. Yeah. 87 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,920 All women, you can't talk in classes. 88 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,920 Or on come on school property at all. 89 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,920 Right. That's nuts. 90 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,920 If three or more people are listening to you talk. Stop. 91 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,920 But yeah, the the president of Harvard at the time went on record 92 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:49,920 and stated they did not want a quote a mob of women trooping around the yard. 93 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,920 Trooping. Yeah, I just very vague. 94 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,920 Yeah, it almost seems like they were more concerned about like the lawn 95 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,920 getting messed up versus, you know, because they didn't specifically say like, 96 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,920 oh, we don't want like an angry protest. 97 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,920 That just makes it sound like there are women everywhere. 98 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,920 And that made them uncomfortable. Yeah. 99 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,920 Anyway, so Harvard eventually agrees under the condition 100 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,920 that after Florence Kelly, they would the next speaker would be someone 101 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,920 that's against women's rights. 102 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,920 Giving both sides like an ability to speak their side. 103 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,920 Yeah, which even though, yeah, it's shitty. 104 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,920 It's shitty, but it's it's the way like, I mean, 105 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,920 that's how it's handled in court and stuff like you got to hear out both sides, 106 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:43,920 even though at the time one side was clearly wrong. Yeah. 107 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:45,920 So the college club agreed. 108 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,920 They said, OK, you know, we will do Florence Kelly and then we will pick a speaker 109 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,920 that's against women's rights like, OK. 110 00:08:53,920 --> 00:09:00,920 And then they rebelled, which I like loved because I picture Harvard 111 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,920 like college kids being like in their Harvard blazer and they're like shirt ties 112 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,920 and they, you know, they try not to break the rules. 113 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,920 That's like the very I know stereotypical Harvard view I have in my mind. 114 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,920 And then they like when it gets against the system or like you actually 115 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,920 we're going to try to do the next speaker, 116 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:31,920 another pro women's rights speaker, which is Miss Emeline Prankhurst. 117 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,920 And I'm so sorry again, I need to figure this out. 118 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,920 Like the main woman for women's suffrage. Yes. 119 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,920 Not just anybody. The head honcho. Yeah. Head honcho. 120 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:51,920 This is this is like the again, if you recall from episode one, you know, 121 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,920 she was like action, not words. 122 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,920 She is the number one radical. 123 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,920 If you want to call it radical at the time, probably she would. 124 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,920 She would. Her and her followers would like chain themselves to gates and fences, 125 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,920 for instance. Oh, yeah. 126 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,920 They have like plenty of images from like women's protests 127 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:16,920 and like the early 1900s to mid 1900s of them like doing radical things like that. 128 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,920 And I don't feel like it should be called radical. 129 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,920 I feel like it's it was needed. Yeah. 130 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:27,920 So at the time it was very radical. I mean, it's for its time for its radical. 131 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,920 It's crazy to consider that radical now. Yeah. Yeah. 132 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,920 Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. So anyways, Harvard gets really upset. 133 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:44,920 They they banned her from the campus saying, quote, the college halls should not be open to lectures of women. 134 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:56,920 That's a quote that's that's a they should be ashamed for having that be one of their, you know, quotes for their, you know, part of their history. 135 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,920 Yeah. Are there exactly. 136 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:09,920 This is this is where obviously Harvard is on the wrong side of history and it's it looks really bad. 137 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,920 Yeah. And supposedly because the author of the book, they actually went and looked at Harvard's records. 138 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:21,920 You supposedly can go through Harvard's records and you can pull these documents out of their official response. 139 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:35,920 And it's it's very sad. And what's even more sad is the fact that the decision that Harvard made was supported by newspaper companies. 140 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:42,920 Well, when they printed this, they were on the side of Harvard agreeing with them. 141 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:48,920 So even back then, news, news, any news was very opinionated. 142 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:54,920 Yeah. Well, very heavily influenced by politics. We can't let women talk at our school. 143 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,920 It's crazy. Like, what are they going to talk about? 144 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,920 I remember saying something episode one. Humans are humans. 145 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,920 Humans are humans. Yeah, we we all need the same rights. 146 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:11,920 Like, I don't understand why we are always fighting. 147 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,920 We're still fighting for women's rights. 148 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:21,920 It is so it's just it's it's a long topic to talk about. 149 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:30,920 But yeah, equality. I feel like it's a fight that's getting more in women's favor slowly. 150 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,920 But it should be it should have been that way a long time ago. Oh, yeah, definitely. 151 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:40,920 So what transpires from that? 152 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:54,920 So even though she was barred from campus, she did end up speaking on December the sixth, sixth, one block away from Harvard in a room that was designed to hold 500 people. 153 00:12:54,920 --> 00:13:00,920 How convenient. Over 1500 people came to hear her speak. 154 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:07,920 Wow. And this like this fascinated William. At the time, 155 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,920 William decided to take his finals before killing himself. 156 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:16,920 And after making it a and philosophy, he decided a different path on his life. 157 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:22,920 Wow. Yeah, like just just from getting a good grade. 158 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:28,920 Was this like some stuff that he wrote in his journal? And that's why we know this today. Yeah. Or is OK. 159 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,920 So this is him. This is his story. Correct. 160 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:39,920 And like you said, this might be a little exaggerated, but at this, I don't think someone would exaggerate this kind of moment in their life. 161 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:54,920 I mean, sometimes when you do have like thoughts of self harm, when you write it down in a journal for me, when someone else reads it, because they don't understand what I'm going through because I never show it. 162 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,920 They would be like, oh, this is this is ridiculous. 163 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:03,920 Writing that down in a journal means that that's that's a reality he accepted at a point in life. 164 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,920 Like that was something that would have happened. Yeah. Yeah. 165 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:18,920 But I think like what's like very important to note here is that if you have a good college professor, right, they're going to inspire you. 166 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:28,920 For instance, when I was going through college for engineering, there was actually a person on campus, the mental health counselor that actually very much inspired me. 167 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:47,920 And even though I was an engineering student and even though like the majority engineering students did not super care or were into psychology, it very much inspired me to kind of get into psychology and to at least learn enough to try to help like other college students through like mental health crisis. 168 00:14:47,920 --> 00:15:01,920 So yeah, I think it's just like to the to the teachers out there. Sometimes you don't even know what you're doing could like inspire somebody and have like profound impacts for the rest of their life. 169 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:19,920 I think a lot of teachers do consider that whenever they're teaching older, like all ages of people, kids, you know, that their teaching could really like be like impactful on them later on in life. 170 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:28,920 They'll be like, hey, thanks for teaching me how to two plus two. That really came in handy. 171 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:37,920 Is that the actual term for that? Yeah, adding two plus two. 172 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:58,920 So we did mention, for instance, the the $250,000 right that his teacher George Palmer and his wife fundraised to try to get tried to write, and this was the this was the annex college where college professors would go and teach the same classes. 173 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,920 But you just wouldn't earn a Harvard degree. 174 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:12,920 And that college. Fun fact, would later become rad Radcliffe College. 175 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:22,920 I haven't heard of it, which is still a college today. And so, going back to the idea that Sadie Holloway is kind of wonder woman. 176 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:36,920 It is key to note that she went to Mount Holyoke in Massachusetts, which is a women's college founded in 1837 and actually the first college for women in the United States. 177 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:43,920 Now, what I want to kind of talk about is when we speak about Wonder Woman. 178 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:49,920 Why is Wonder Woman from the Amazon. 179 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:56,920 Hmm. That's a good question. I don't really actually, because they're so thick there. 180 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,920 So you think it's like because they're strong. Sure. 181 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:10,920 Maybe I like most times when I think about like the Amazon like the Amazon forest I think of is like a really rough place to live like you have to be. 182 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:20,920 You have to have a strong personality. You have to be like a strong survivor to live there. So maybe that's why. 183 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:26,920 I mean, that's this is just, you know, in one of the last times, one of the last homes of Mother Nature. 184 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:36,920 Yeah, the epicenter of Mother Nature. Yeah, it is a place where like if you wanted to separate a whole entire group of people, you could. 185 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:45,920 You could secretly live in a, I guess, a kind of like secret woman society like unexplored territory like a Wonder Woman does. 186 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,920 You know. Okay. Well, I don't know. What was the real reason? 187 00:17:49,920 --> 00:18:04,920 No, so these are all probably very valid reasons. However, what most people don't probably realize, because this was before our time, was that the women's suffrage movement and also the feminist movement. 188 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:10,920 Often. 189 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:18,920 They use the Amazonian image of like anyone that was going against like the society norm. 190 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:27,920 So it became a very pro feminist icon was like the Amazonian. Oh, okay. 191 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:41,920 Interesting. So for instance, like Homer, the Amazonians had a very mystic essence about them living in harsh environments, like you said, stated from the rest, separated from the rest of the world, which you also mentioned. 192 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:50,920 When you say Homer, you mean like the ancient author Homer? Homer. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we're covering like a wide range of things here. Okay. 193 00:18:50,920 --> 00:19:04,920 So Homer is a not not something. What a subject. So many suffragists from Williams time is said to have believed in an ancient land ruled by women. 194 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:14,920 Although there is no evidence to support this, keep in mind that in 1910, only 4% of Americans from the age of 18 to 21 actually attended college. 195 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:24,920 And in the 1920s, this number rose to 8%. The primary reason for this is that 40% of that 8% were women. 196 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:34,920 Wow. So really the number increased mostly because they're like, yeah, women can go to school now. 197 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,920 Yeah. How women get more smarter. 198 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:53,920 How do they end? In 1911, the image of an Amazonian was any woman who rebelled against society, which meant anyone that thought women and men were equal or went to college. 199 00:19:53,920 --> 00:20:04,920 That is who Sadie was. She was a rebel. She attended a college, one of only seven for women in the United States at the time. 200 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:13,920 And while she attended college, she was in the debating society, philosophy club, a bait club, the choir. 201 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:19,920 She worked for the college magazine and she played field hockey. 202 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:25,920 Field hockey. Field hockey. That's impressive. Like all over the place. Yeah. 203 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:36,920 Like that's high school, college years. That was her adult life. Yeah. Wow. Busy, busy woman. Busy. 204 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:44,920 And Wonder Woman on the side. Yeah. Don't give away our secret identity. 205 00:20:44,920 --> 00:21:01,920 So learning a little bit about Sadie, Sadie loved Greek above all of her other classes. Her favorite book was supposedly Sappho Memoir, text selected rendering and a literal translation, which she would continue to read. 206 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,920 It said up until her her death. 207 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,920 And why is that important? 208 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:19,920 Sappho lived on a Greek island called Lesbos in 600 B.C. The word lesbian literally meant a resident of Lesbos. 209 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,920 Oh, so fun little history back there. Yeah. 210 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:33,920 So just just in case you're wondering when you're calling someone a lesbian, you're saying they're from Lesbos. 211 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:40,920 Right. Which I don't even know that place exists anymore. Yeah, that's what they meant. 212 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:47,920 Yeah, we are from Lesbos. 213 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,920 Anyway, what? OK. 214 00:21:50,920 --> 00:22:02,920 She's done, I think. So what's what's really interesting is in 1912 when Sadie was a sophomore, the students put on an original play called The Thirteenth Amendment, 215 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,920 a musical comedy about a world without men. 216 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,920 Characters were Helen of Troy, Phinelepie, Electra and so on. 217 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,920 And Sadie, of course, was Sappho and she read all of her lines in Greek. 218 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,920 And I think that is like the foundation of Wonder Woman right there. 219 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:36,920 So you have these Greek characters, you have a world without men. Obviously, Wonder Woman came from an island without men, heavily rooted in like Greek mythology. 220 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,920 Yeah, there's inspiration there. 221 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:53,920 I could see where an author would meet this person, this highly influential person and honestly gears start turning, you know, like, that's a great idea. 222 00:22:53,920 --> 00:23:00,920 Honestly, but like, how could William Marsden not fall in love with this woman? 223 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:11,920 Keep in mind, knowing how William Marsden is at this point. Yeah. And keep in mind, they met when he was in the eighth grade, like he met her in the eighth grade. 224 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:17,920 So he fell in love with her like long before this time. 225 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,920 But yeah, complete badass. Yeah. 226 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,920 But going back to Harvard. 227 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,920 I thought we don't want to go back to Harvard. No, we don't. Oh, we don't. But we're going to. 228 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,920 But we're going to. 229 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:50,920 All right. So in 1905, Harvard opened its state of the art psychology research lab in Emerson Hall, designed by a German psychologist named Hugo Mostenberg. 230 00:23:50,920 --> 00:24:03,920 Hugo, who had been brought in to help build the lab, ended up taking on a full time position at Harvard and was elected the president of the American Psychology Association. 231 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:09,920 His research was said to be centered around perception, emotion, reaction and sensation. 232 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:23,920 Among from having rabbits, guinea pigs and mice in cages for experiments, he also liked to experiment on female students. Oh, wow. 233 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:36,920 Now, what the fuck? Now, since we are painting a comic book villain here, he was highly against women's rights to education and against the women's suffrage movement. 234 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:43,920 He actually believed the only reason a woman should be educated was to make a better housewife. 235 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,920 This is a comic book villain. No, this is a real person. 236 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:53,920 So it's a real person. But Marston writes him later into a comic book villain. 237 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:59,920 I mean, like I like I couldn't tell the difference. Oh, yeah. No, that was my point. Yeah. 238 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:07,920 Like I'm listening to him like, is this a comic film villain or like an actual like person that's like not a good person, obviously. 239 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,920 And of course, he's against women being educated. 240 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:19,920 How else is he going to continue his experiments on women if they're smart? That's nuts. Yeah, that's very that's a very like how could you justify that? 241 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,920 Oh, I experiment on other humans. So it is key to note. 242 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:30,920 For instance, I do not know the level of experiments that he did on women. 243 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:37,920 William Marston, for instance, did experiments on female students when he becomes a college professor. 244 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:44,920 However, it was simply like monitoring like their blood pressure. Very ethical experiments. 245 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:55,920 I know. So we actually don't know. However, this is very interesting because we know what William Marston, like what experiments he does. 246 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:10,920 And it is kind of based off of Hugo's experiments. So keep in mind, he was he was interested in, for instance, perception, emotion, reaction and sensations. 247 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:20,920 So I don't think when we say like experiments, I don't think he was like, you know, like trying these radical chemicals on female students or anything. 248 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:29,920 OK. OK. But still, like, you know, why not? 249 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:50,920 So there's actually a San Francisco Chronicle article about Professor Hugo, where he states that women are not fit for jury duty as they are unwilling to listen to argument and cannot be brought to change their opinion on any subject. 250 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:58,920 That is a direct quote. Well, someone said that about women. That's what shocks me. 251 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,920 Geez, like what? 252 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,920 Hilarious. 253 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,920 I irony. 254 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,920 Right. Right. 255 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:23,920 It also. He also goes on or through my research, I also found out that he fought against women to have the right to vote, saying they had too much to do at home to understand politics 256 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:31,920 and express that they would easily be corrupted with their feeble minds. 257 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:39,920 This that typical uneducated male opinion like arrogance. Can we get away from that arrogance? 258 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,920 It just comes from arrogance. 259 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:50,920 It kind of comes down to just the men at this time just wanted to keep women in the household like as housewives. 260 00:27:50,920 --> 00:28:01,920 Imagine being a woman and reading that back then and understanding politics and being just wow. 261 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:09,920 Well, that's so that's kind of the sad part here is that keep in mind during this time. 262 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:16,920 Only 4% of Americans went to college and like a very small percentage of that were women. 263 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,920 Oh, you mean the women that they weren't allowing an education. 264 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:29,920 Yeah. So I kind of feel like it was very rare to have a very educated woman, almost like it was on purpose. 265 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,920 I mean, yeah. 266 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:38,920 Prevent them from getting education and then they can't fight for their rights because they don't understand, which is bullshit. 267 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,920 Yeah. 268 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,920 In a way, it was back then like modern day slavery, right? 269 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:56,920 Because you don't let them become educated. You kind of brainwash them from a very early age that you're supposed to just go home and be a wife. 270 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,920 Yeah. Go raise the next generation of America, please. 271 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,920 And we still it's crazy because there's still people I think that today. 272 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:21,920 Oh, yeah, which I mean, it just it just goes to show that like no matter how much progression there is, there's still people that will not seem like they refuse to progress. 273 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,920 They refuse to become educated. 274 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,920 Yeah, they'll die eventually. 275 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:31,920 Those people will become extinct. 276 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,920 Hopefully their children will decide to not be ignorant. 277 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,920 That's all we can help or that they just don't procreate. 278 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,920 Oh, that's always an option. 279 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:46,920 So getting back to William. 280 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:52,920 At this point in his sophomore year, William becomes very impressive at college. 281 00:29:52,920 --> 00:30:08,920 He's getting A's in classes that typically doesn't hand out A's and he actually gets hired to be an assistant to Hugo to do experiments on women at Radcliffe College. 282 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:18,920 And now when William Marston was hired, his experiments were designed to detect deception, which Hugo had been working on for years now. 283 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:36,920 What's really kind of interesting, again, painting this like kind of classic comic book villain around this time, Hugo starts getting into a lot of trouble, if you will. 284 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:43,920 So Hugo coming from Germany, believe that Germany was superior than America. 285 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,920 I see where this is going. 286 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:52,920 Notions of equal rights for women was an example to him of America being weak and starting to crumble. 287 00:30:52,920 --> 00:31:00,920 His military views of Germany were so bad that eventually people started calling for his deportation in 1907. 288 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:07,920 So and also it's key to note in 1910 and through 1911, he spent his time in Berlin. 289 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,920 And when he when he returned, people were convinced he was a spy. 290 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:22,920 By the time he was by the time he hired William Marston as an assistant in 1912, Hugo's professional career was almost over. 291 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,920 Makes sense. 292 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:32,920 Now, during William Marston's second year at college, his father's business started to fail. 293 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:38,920 So he decided decided to pay his way through college by writing scenarios, which at the time were movie scripts. 294 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:45,920 So at this time, picture shows or movies were just kind of emerging. 295 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,920 So this was very new, kind of like technology. 296 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,920 People would pay, I believe, twenty five cents to go see a movie. 297 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,920 No, I'm sorry. They would pay five cents to go see a movie. 298 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,920 Twenty five cents. That's ridiculous. 299 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,920 Way too expensive. Full take a gas. What are you talking about? 300 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:14,920 And also they paid twenty five dollars per movie script wrote. 301 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:22,920 So during his sophomore year, he actually became a, if you will, a movie script writer. 302 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:32,920 So during this time, with his help from Sadie, he actually runs experiments monitoring blood pressure as students read from sealed envelopes 303 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,920 where some are told truths and some are told lies. 304 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:42,920 Another set of students acting as a jury tried to tell which one was telling the truth. 305 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:52,920 The results were that he was able to tell if someone was lying 90 percent of the time, whereas the jury was only correct about 50 percent of the time. 306 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,920 Thus, the lie detector was born. 307 00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:02,920 It was a little baby lie detector, a little baby cute little lie detector. 308 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:14,920 Yeah, but that was like the primitive stuff that built like blood pressure and stuff like not baby baby. 309 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,920 Baby blood detector. 310 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:28,920 Now, William would go on to be the charter president of Phi Beta Kappa and graduate on June 24th, 1915 as Magna Colata. 311 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,920 Impressive. He would be accepted into grad school. 312 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,920 Sadie graduated just before him on June 16th that same year for her 22nd birthday. 313 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:48,920 He actually got her a book of poems and underlined this little poem. 314 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:57,920 Quote, I saw a cat was but a dream who scorned the slave that brought her cream. 315 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,920 What? Cream cat. 316 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:04,920 So what's kind of funny here is William Marston actually wrote in the margin. 317 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,920 It sounds a little filthy. 318 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,920 Ha ha ha. That's what I was like. Oh, is that what I heard it was? 319 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,920 Yeah, it was kind of just kind of like a fun little tidbit I found when doing some research. 320 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,920 I would throw that in there. 321 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,920 Cute. So in September, they both got married. 322 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:32,920 And even though Sadie liked her name, William convinced her to change her name to Betty Marston. 323 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,920 Oh, I like Sadie so much. 324 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,920 We're going to continue to use Sadie because I just don't like that. 325 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,920 Yeah, I like Sadie. Sadie is such a prettier name. 326 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:51,920 Yeah. And I thought this was like really interesting because we're going to get into it a little bit later. 327 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:58,920 But William Marston, he is a submissive male in his relationship. 328 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,920 He believes that women are superior. 329 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:09,920 But there are examples where he kind of contradicts that. 330 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,920 So, like, for instance, like making her change her name. Yeah. 331 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,920 And there's a few other examples. I just kind of don't like it. 332 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,920 Well, what was the purpose for her changing her name? So it does not state. 333 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:29,920 So we don't know the purpose of that. There may be a fundamental reason that we just don't know because time. 334 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:35,920 Correct. Yeah. So I just thought it was like a little odd. 335 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,920 Yeah. Well, there might be more to that. It might not be that he pushed for that. 336 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:45,920 Or maybe he did. Maybe. I don't know. A lot of people do weird things for weird reasons. 337 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:53,920 I am interested in your opinion once we learn how Olive gets introduced into the relationship. 338 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,920 So we're going to revisit that because that's that's like the hard part for me 339 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:06,920 is that like doing all the research when I go back and I look at like these small little tidbits on my in comparison to the movie. 340 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:15,920 There we go. Well, just like it like as I guess, like knowing the ending of the story already, it's like these little ways that a clue. 341 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:21,920 What is that? Is that a clue? I think I found a clue. 342 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:30,920 So in September, they both got married. He went on to Harvard Law School. She went on to Boston Law School. 343 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:41,920 She did really well in her studies, whereas Williams seemed to be more focused on proving his lie detector, never earning higher than a C in any class. 344 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:49,920 She would go later on to say that when. OK. So here we go. 345 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:57,920 She would go on to say that she was stuck when asked about changing her name. 346 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:07,920 So there's like that one little tidbit, but I also still want to revisit it once we choose on the fence about it, once we like kind of is that what I'm hearing? 347 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:14,920 Well, for me, when I say when when I read that she was stuck, I feel like she didn't have a choice. 348 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:25,920 Like she was married to William or she was going to marry William and she was kind of an ultimatum, like change your name or we're not doing this. 349 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,920 I don't know if it was that intense. 350 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,920 But it was something she felt that she had to do for some reason. And we just can't really explore that any further. 351 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:48,920 And keep in mind, like in this society where, you know, men were the controlling force of a marriage or a household. 352 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,920 It was kind of more like whatever the male decided that was it. 353 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,920 Like that was the end of discussion. That was the way. 354 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,920 You know, this is the way. 355 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:09,920 So kind of like keep that in mind as well. So back then, if your husband said to like do something, you really didn't have a choice. 356 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,920 Like you kind of had to do it. It's kind of how I view it. 357 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:27,920 Yeah, it is that time period of of history where men were in control of their wives and women as a whole, which is sad. 358 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:35,920 So on April 6th, 1917, America declared war on Germany. 359 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,920 What was supposed to also happen that day? That same day? 360 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,920 I forgot to turn off my straightener. 361 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:53,920 What? So that same day, a bill was supposed to be presented into Congress to give women the right to vote. 362 00:38:53,920 --> 00:39:05,920 Oh, OK. So Congress declares war on the same day that women's rights were supposed to pass. 363 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,920 Well, it was supposed to be introduced to Congress. 364 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,920 To be fair, we don't know if it was going to pass or not. You know how politics is. 365 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:17,920 OK, so we declare war on the same day that we were supposed to look into women getting rights. 366 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,920 Yes. Just by chance. 367 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:26,920 Yeah. I wonder if it's a coincidence. 368 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,920 OK, so we're going to change speeds a little bit. 369 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,920 If you watch the movie, you know about Olive. Yes. 370 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,920 So let's bring her into the picture. Let's bring Olive into the picture. 371 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:51,920 That's a great olive. Oh. So Olive Byrne was born 1904 in Corning, New York. 372 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,920 I'm from New York. You are. Do you know where Corning is? 373 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,920 No, she doesn't. I have no idea. 374 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,920 And a lot of New York people would probably be like, you don't know where Corning is? 375 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,920 Yeah, but all people from New York feel that they need to tell people they're from. It's important. 376 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,920 Who do you think I am? I lived in New York. 377 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,920 So. Maybe back on to all. Yeah, she's from New York. 378 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,920 She's from New York. It is said that her aunt. 379 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,920 So I all of his backstory is very interesting to me. 380 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,920 It said that her aunt, who was a nurse, delivered olive at their house. 381 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:35,920 However, when all his father came home drunk and all his mother could not stop her from crying. 382 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:41,920 And then she went to the bank. Her father threw the baby out the door into a snow bank. 383 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:50,920 Oh, my goodness. Her aunt ran out, grabbed the baby, and her father went back to the bar and didn't return for a few days. 384 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:58,920 What the fuck? His his daughter is born and he just throws her out the door. 385 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:06,920 So history is from the perspective of the victor. So this could be extremely exaggerated. 386 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:12,920 We are relying on other people's like testimony, journals, diaries. 387 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,920 Yeah, we don't have footage of her being thrown out into the snow. 388 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:23,920 Yeah, that's true. But because usually the exaggerations and the exaggeration of the truth. 389 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,920 So there was some truth there. I do believe there's some truth. 390 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:38,920 Which any kind of motion of like even if it's like putting a baby outside in the snow, that itself is terrible because it's a newborn that you're putting out in the cold. 391 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,920 What's wrong with you? It's a baby. It's a baby. 392 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:48,920 It's not only a baby, a newborn. It's a baby. It's a baby. 393 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,920 So let's let's continue on with all of childhood, shall we? 394 00:41:53,920 --> 00:42:09,920 Her mother, Ethel, trying to keep her to keep all of from crying one time gave all of so much medicine containing morphine that she slept for two days and a doctor had to be called to wake her back up. 395 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:15,920 As a child as a child. Yes. What the fuck is wrong with her parents? 396 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:23,920 However, I mean, what do they know of morphine back then? Right. Other than it just it stops. It makes pain stop. 397 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:32,920 And also you're like, keep in mind, I'm not sure exactly when like Coca-Cola came out, but when Coca-Cola first came out, it had cocaine in it. 398 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,920 Yeah, I forgot what time we're talking. We didn't understand drugs back then. 399 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:42,920 We used lead paint for everything. Like this is not a good time. Yeah. 400 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,920 I keep forgetting the time period. 401 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:53,920 However, when Olive was three and her brother is five, their mother took her to her husband's parents house and disappeared. 402 00:42:53,920 --> 00:43:01,920 All of his grandparents adopted them and told them both that their parents had died. 403 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,920 Yes, I don't know if that was the lie to tell. 404 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,920 Well, the lie detector test wasn't developed yet. 405 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,920 However, in 1913, when Olive was nine, her father did actually pass away. 406 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:23,920 And when she was 10, both her grandparents passed away, putting Olive in a Catholic orphanage. 407 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,920 She had a really rough childhood. 408 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,920 Now, it is key to know who her aunt is. 409 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:37,920 Her aunt is Margaret Sanger. Another really important name in women's suffrage. 410 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,920 Yes. Yes. Very important. 411 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:48,920 So that is who delivered her. She believed in free love, socialism and feminism. 412 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:59,920 You know, her delivering her niece Olive was probably one of the easiest things she's done in her life compared to like the movements she's fought for. 413 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,920 Yes. In women's suffrage. 414 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:12,920 And to me, it's a little sad because she was a very profound figure. 415 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:18,920 However, it was at a cost. 416 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,920 Which we're about to learn about. 417 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:37,920 So in 1912, Margaret Sanger wrote a 12 part series in New York called What Every Girl Should Know. It covered sexual attraction, masturbation, intercourse, venereal disease, pregnancy and childbirth. 418 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:52,920 Part 12 was called Some Consequences of Ignorance and Silence, which was banned and replaced with quote what every girl should know, comma all caps, nothing. 419 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,920 End quote. 420 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,920 What? 421 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,920 That's. 422 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,920 Nothing. 423 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:10,920 In 1914, Margaret Sanger Sanger and Ethel Byrne started publishing a woman rebel. 424 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:20,920 Sorry, started publishing the women rebel a monthly feminism magazine where they coined the term birth control. 425 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:26,920 Six out of seven of the magazines were seized and declared obscene. 426 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:33,920 Sanger fled the country going to England where she gathered research on birth control. 427 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:48,920 There she met Havelick Ellis, a doctor and psychologist who wrote many banned works, some include including sexual inversion studies in the psychology of the sex. 428 00:45:48,920 --> 00:46:09,920 He wrote actually all six volumes of that. Some of his ideas were empathy towards homosexuality, evolution of marriage has resulted in women without sexual pleasure, which was cruel and erotic rights of women were just as important as political rights. 429 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,920 The fact that she had to flee the country. 430 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,920 I mean, that's it was what year. 431 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,920 So we're looking at, I want to say about 1915. 432 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:21,920 Yeah, 1914. 433 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,920 Yeah, flood the country. 434 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:24,920 Yeah. 435 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:25,920 Yeah, that that checked out. 436 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,920 Now, Sanger and Ellis became lovers. 437 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:47,920 Sanger wrote a 15 page pamphlet on what she learned in Europe called Family Limitation. Now, getting into some of the costs, her husband and 1915 was arrested for handing out that pamphlet. 438 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:57,920 Judge told him quote, Your crime is not only in violation of the laws of man, but the laws of God as well. 439 00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,920 Hugh Dyrall. 440 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:00,920 Yeah. 441 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,920 Yeah. 442 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:18,920 So, Margaret Sanger actually returned to the United States to be with her daughter, Peggy, who had contracted pneumonia, and unfortunately later passed away. 443 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:36,920 Sanger was devastated to hear her daughter. When she was holding her. Evidently one of the last things her daughter told her was, I want an Ethel to hold me not you. 444 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:50,920 And this is in regards to probably her daughter viewed her like just kind of like picking the feminist movement over her and like kind of fleeing the country running off. 445 00:47:50,920 --> 00:48:00,920 So that when she did return, she, her daughter wanted nothing to do with her, and then she didn't pass away because she cared about her cause too much right over her own blood. 446 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,920 Yes. 447 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:11,920 But how many times have we had to cut family off for what we believe in. 448 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,920 It just sucks when it comes from a child. Yeah. 449 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:29,920 I know some of our listeners are probably going to say that she was very selfish that she ran to Europe, got a European lover and was having the time of her life and while her husband was being arrested. 450 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,920 And she left her children. 451 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:41,920 However, keep in mind this was also it was illegal for birth control. So, you know, mothers are having children that they do not want. 452 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:42,920 Yes. 453 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,920 What people they do not want to have them with. 454 00:48:44,920 --> 00:49:00,920 And, you know, Sanger did express like free love, and I, I'm hoping there was some sort of like communication between her and her husband, some sort of understanding with that that they were able to kind of come to terms with. 455 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,920 They simply do not know it happened. Yeah, who knows. 456 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:11,920 It happened over 100 years ago. While she was in the United States she was arrested, she was supposed to be put on trial. 457 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:23,920 She refused a lawyer, she wanted to represent herself. However, the court dropped the trial in fear of a greed grieving mother would help her cause. 458 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:31,920 They essentially they did not want press, and it is stated that Sanger was furious to not get her day in court. 459 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:37,920 Her and Ethel actually opened up a clinic to show how condoms were used. 460 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:47,920 However, nine days after the clinic and undercover policewoman pretending to be a mother of two attended the clinic, and they were both later arrested. 461 00:49:47,920 --> 00:50:04,920 Their crime was distributing any recipe drug or medicine for the person prevention of conception, which is like in I know we've stated this so many times now but that's like insane to be arrested for. 462 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:16,920 Yeah, like seriously. Hey, I'm arresting you for practicing safe sex. Right. You're under arrest. You need to make babies, you need to make babies and you need HIV. 463 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,920 I need more babies. I need all of the babies. 464 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,920 You will get chlamydia and die. Geez. It's insane. 465 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,920 Cool, because we need more soldiers. 466 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:28,920 Yeah. 467 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:37,920 We're just a giant farm for our military. 468 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,920 What a concept. 469 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:51,920 All right. I mean, to a degree right like you have to have a population, willing to go into the military to have a very large, strong military. 470 00:50:51,920 --> 00:51:01,920 Yeah, and then we send the soldiers to the high schools to pick more up soon as they're fresh, you know. 471 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,920 But I almost, I almost got pulled into that. 472 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:16,920 I almost got wait. Yeah, I did. There man was 18. And we graduated, I scheduled an appointment with a Marine recruiter. 473 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:29,920 I think in like the high school time right you're trying to figure yourself out you want to escape like out from underneath your parents you want to rebel in the military is there and I was like hey you want to go like travel the world. 474 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,920 I want to like do something cool. 475 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,920 Play like Call of Duty right. 476 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:42,920 All right, so back to the story. 477 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:48,920 Ethel was sentenced to 30 days in jail, where she went on a hunger strike. 478 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:56,920 The story made the New York Times front page, four days in a row. Fuck yeah, good on her. 479 00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,920 This caused picketing outside the White House. Good. 480 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:09,920 Ethel went a week without eating or drinking before the prison started force feeding her milk and raw eggs while she was passed out. 481 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,920 Holy shit what the. 482 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:20,920 This is really bad like, did you say raw eggs raw eggs yeah it's it's a good source of protein. 483 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:31,920 Yeah, but they're force feeding it to her while she is passed out against her like that. Yeah, that is against human rights like, well, well, this was before women have human rights. 484 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:40,920 Yeah, you forget it's just devastating to hear this right now, coming from force feeding eggs. 485 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:51,920 You did not know you were signing up for this when you're like I'm going to tune in for a podcast about William Marston and kink and polyamory probably. 486 00:52:51,920 --> 00:53:01,920 Right. Right. Yes. That's, that's why, for instance, like, I'm not sure if you guys know, but there's like a. 487 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:07,920 It's very common to do like a raw egg shake in the morning. Yeah. 488 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:13,920 It's not pure protein but it provides a lot of protein. Yeah. 489 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,920 Of course, milk and eggs. 490 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:24,920 Fun fact, she became the first female in us in the US prison system to be force fed. 491 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:41,920 Now what's very interesting about this is that her sister, Sanger actually went to the governor's office and pleaded for her sister to be released from prison stating that she was not going to survive, because she knew her sister would continue to go on hunger 492 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:42,920 strikes. 493 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:48,920 And she was really worried that she was going to die in prison. 494 00:53:48,920 --> 00:54:04,920 So, Sanger actually proposed that her sister would have nothing to do with the birth control movement, if she was released from prison, and then that she would take kind of full responsibility. 495 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,920 If anything did happen. 496 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:12,920 Now at the time, Ethel was passed out unconscious. 497 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,920 She couldn't speak on her for herself. 498 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:28,920 So the government governor did pardon her, she was released from prison. However, Ethel never forgave her sister for taking her out of the birth control fight. 499 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:44,920 She had all the pieces on her side, like she was ready to put, put people in checkmate. She's making some big moves there. Yeah, and then to be pulled out of the fight when you're, you're, you're like, she said she was in the headlines for four days in a row. 500 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:55,920 I could see why she was upset. Let's be honest, though, her sister probably didn't understand as much, unless there's directly explained to her like, hey, leave me alone. 501 00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:13,920 Let me handle this. I am basically, if anything happens to me, I'm a martyr for the cause, like this literally enforces our cause more. If they let me die, like, like essentially what that's her move was that she's going to starve herself if they 502 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:24,920 force feed her. It's bad. If they let her die. It's bad on them. If like anything they do at that point, it's looks bad on them. It's clearly unethical. Yeah. 503 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:33,920 And I can see why she would be so upset for her sister to pull her out. But you can also see it from the other side like it's family, like you don't like you're going to care. 504 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:45,920 And her sister probably saw it as I'm going to protect her from herself in this situation. I don't want my I don't want to lose my sister over this. The day after her sister was released from prison. 505 00:55:45,920 --> 00:56:03,920 She was sentenced to 30 days in prison as well. She served the entire 30 days. She did not go on a hunger strike. She just evidently very peacefully served her time and then got out. So I bet you that didn't go over well with her sister. 506 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:12,920 I think I think it was more so she was mad again about like being kind of taken out of the movement. 507 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:23,920 She was kind of like a spirit alert. Yeah, but it just it goes show like how different they handle the situation and how differently they feel about the situation. 508 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,920 What's danger do next. 509 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:46,920 So when all of when all of it was 16, she went and visited her, her mother for the first time in 10 years. Sanger went on to fight for birth control divorcing her husband and starting a long affair with famous author HG Wells. 510 00:56:46,920 --> 00:57:00,920 What? Yeah, no shit. Holy shit. Everyone knows HG Wells. Yeah, this is this. The story is insane with like the name drops that just like kind of casually happened throughout like this world is getting smaller and smaller. 511 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:26,920 Yeah. In his 1922 book, the secret places of my heart. Sanger is the inspiration of the hero's lover between 1920 and 1926. Sanger's two books, Woman and the New Race and Pivot of Civilization, sold a combined total of over one million copies. 512 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:34,920 However, in 1920, the 19th Amendment was signed and women were granted the right to vote. 513 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,920 Finally, finally. 514 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:57,920 One book specifically caught attention. Woman of the New Race was picked up by both Mr. and Mrs. Marston, who in 1920 were both studying for grad degrees in psychology, which would later be used in the creation of Wonder Woman. 515 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:18,920 In fact, when later on, once Wonder Woman is already established and William Marston actually hires a writer to kind of write some of the Wonder Woman stories, this book is actually given to the writer and says like, here's everything you need to know about Wonder Woman. 516 00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:29,920 So this is like this is insane. Keep in mind William Marston does not know who all of this, but they have a copy of her aunt's book. 517 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,920 That's wild. This is insane. 518 00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,920 Like the world is so small, like you. 519 00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:35,920 Wow. 520 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,920 Like, I can't I can't believe it. 521 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:50,920 All right, so we covered a lot in today's episode. Next time we're going to pick up all of going to college. 522 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:59,920 Spicy. Yeah, her life is so spicy so far the spiciness and falling in love with one of her college professors. 523 00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:03,920 Oh, I wonder who it could be. 524 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:22,920 And then also the, I guess the evolution of William Marston and Sadie Holloway's kind of marriage and the kind of formation into the poly relationship that they had a love triangle love triangle. 525 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:38,920 Yeah. So and if you saw the movie already and then you know this is kind of where things are going to kind of get picked up. So a lot of what we've kind of stated already hasn't really been in the movie so far. 526 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:44,920 Yeah, now the next episode is going to kind of like kick into what the movie covered. 527 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:52,920 Yeah, and hopefully we will do our best to un Hollywood, what the movie did. Yes. 528 00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,920 Yes, yes definitely. I think. 529 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:04,920 Think we will be able to draw out some comparisons between the movie and actuality, real life. 530 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:15,920 I'm excited. But hopefully you are still listening and you're not too too bored about this subject I find it fascinating. It's, it's insane. 531 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,920 Learning about this. 532 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:33,920 Like I said I did not know the majority about like the women's rights movement. I knew like the basic very broad like, and all of the names, all of the, all of the, like, I feel like we'd have Charlie somewhere like, take a look at this. 533 01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:47,920 Oh my god, right there is the mail now let's talk about the mail. When we talk about the mail please Mac I'm dying to talk about the mail for you all day and someone that's coming up in the next episode is Jay Edgar Hoover gets introduced into that's right. 534 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,920 I do remember that part. Okay, yeah, that's exciting. 535 01:00:50,920 --> 01:01:03,920 That's unnatural to some we've been talking about William Marsden a little bit more this is part two of many parts series, stay tuned for more will be coming at you with part three soon. Until next time, stay kinky. 536 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:21,920 Sign out.