Episode 4: William Marston Pt3 - Dom or Sub?

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,320 Disclaimer. This podcast features explicit language and discussions sexual in nature. 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:08,160 It may contain subjects uncomfortable to some. Please understand that the opinions shared on 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:13,120 this podcast are not a representation of any organization or employer the host may be a part of. 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:29,680 How much money do you want the podcast to make before you call the podcast successful? 5 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,840 How much money can a podcast make if a podcast can make money? 6 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:41,200 How much pods can a podcast cast if a podcast can cast pods? 7 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:41,520 Three. 8 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,200 What is successful? 9 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,760 That's my question to you is how would you measure success? When would you be like, 10 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,520 yeah, this is successful? 11 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:56,560 I think it wouldn't be really the money that we're making. It would be more of engagement. 12 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,280 How many people are listening to what we're saying? 13 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,120 As long as I'm surviving, I don't really care too much about money. 14 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,720 Money can come and go? 15 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:06,960 Yeah. 16 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:09,760 But bitches are forever? 17 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:10,880 But bitches are forever. 18 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:17,520 So one thing I do have a question for you. I was watching this like Viking show. 19 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:19,360 Is it called Vikings? 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:25,200 I think it's Viking Vahala. No, no, Last Kingdom. Sorry, Last Kingdom. 21 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:31,840 Season one, there's an episode where the Vikings kill like a king's son or something, 22 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,680 and they actually like ride his bloody horse. 23 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,160 It's a white horse, but there's blood all over it, 24 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:43,120 rides it up to the front gates of the castle, pulls out the son's head, 25 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,400 and then throws it like at the gate. 26 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,440 Isn't that like a baptism of some sort? 27 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:56,800 I don't know, but I was wondering, do you think Vikings sat down and thought things like this 28 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,840 through? Do you think they were like, hey, do you think this would be like middle as fuck if we 29 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:07,520 chop the dude's head off? We come riding in on his bloody horse, throw the head at the gate, 30 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,280 we're like, fuck yeah, man. 31 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,160 And then like, I don't know about that. 32 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,800 And they're like, oh, well, if anything else fails, we'll bite the head off of the bat, 33 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,400 maybe and throw that at them. 34 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,320 Or do you think they just did it? 35 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,840 They're like, why don't we just do it? 36 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:28,480 That's hard to tell because like I can imagine both scenarios where they're like all around a 37 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,040 sand table and they're like, all right, so this is what we're going to do. 38 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,640 I'm like, he's got a white horse, right? 39 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:34,400 Oh, this is going to be badass. 40 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:35,360 Yeah, we're going to get so many followers. 41 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:41,440 But at the same time, in the spirit of who they were as people, I can see them just fucking doing that. 42 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,720 Yeah, like because they're Viking, it's a story about Vikings, I almost feel like it was written 43 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,120 in history as like as that, you know, like it's just our heritage. 44 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,640 This is just the way we live. 45 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:55,360 Yeah, I think you're I think your son lost this. 46 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,560 I think he's I think he lost this. 47 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,480 He didn't have it screwed on tight enough. 48 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,160 We thought we would return it. 49 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:03,280 Welcome back, everybody. 50 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:04,800 We're unnatural to some. 51 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,200 Today, we're going to be talking about William Marston again. 52 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:18,000 We're going to get back into part three of our series covering the life and sexual adventures 53 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,080 of William Marston, right? 54 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,880 Yeah, like the war. 55 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,120 We're going to be covering the lore of this guy, the lore of William Marston. 56 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,400 And I know I know what everybody's wondering about. 57 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,960 And, Jay, I really want to know what your opinion is on all of this. 58 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,120 Was William a bottom? Right. 59 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,320 He was a bottom, right? 60 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,560 I mean, or like was he looking at the sub? 61 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,640 I think he was a sub, so maybe he was the bottom. 62 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:52,240 Like he created Wonder Woman, this very clearly dumb. 63 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,000 She's a dumb. 64 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,480 So, first of all, I will say Williams, a bottom. 65 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,880 You you have to roll a tenor higher for me to answer your question. 66 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:09,440 Oh, shit. Oh, I don't know. 67 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,200 It doesn't count to answer your question. 68 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,440 We actually get into it. 69 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,480 We might get into it on this episode. 70 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,400 Oh, really? 71 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:18,880 I don't know. 72 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,400 Should I give like spoilers? 73 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:21,680 I don't know. 74 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:22,880 He was a go getter. 75 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,680 He set out like anything he went out to do. 76 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:26,480 He did. 77 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,960 So he was a take charge kind of guy. 78 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,160 So he was a take charge kind of guy. 79 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,400 He didn't, you know, create Wonder Woman. 80 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:35,440 Total sub bottom. 81 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:37,360 Total sub. 82 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,040 I don't need to hear anymore. 83 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:44,800 So what what is it with sub bottoms? 84 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:45,920 Like, what is the. 85 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:48,320 Why? 86 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:49,360 Why does it matter? 87 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:50,480 Huh? 88 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:50,720 Why? 89 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,560 Why does it matter if there's a difference? 90 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,720 There's a difference between a sub top and a sub bottle. 91 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:57,220 Yeah. 92 00:04:57,220 --> 00:04:59,700 So why does it matter? 93 00:04:59,700 --> 00:05:02,260 Oh, I mean, why does what matter? 94 00:05:02,260 --> 00:05:02,980 Why does it matter? 95 00:05:03,700 --> 00:05:04,500 Who he was? 96 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:05,700 Nobody's how he was. 97 00:05:06,340 --> 00:05:08,420 Oh, I just want to. 98 00:05:08,420 --> 00:05:09,380 Yeah, I'm just curious. 99 00:05:09,380 --> 00:05:12,020 Are you like shaming bottoms? 100 00:05:12,020 --> 00:05:15,780 Oh, no, I'm only into shaming if that's what they're into. 101 00:05:15,780 --> 00:05:19,140 I just want to put a creative imagination in my head of William 102 00:05:19,140 --> 00:05:21,540 Marsden instead of just being a regular old guy. 103 00:05:21,540 --> 00:05:24,660 I kind of want to see him as this kinky guy that like, 104 00:05:24,660 --> 00:05:26,580 you know, gets down in private. 105 00:05:26,580 --> 00:05:29,060 Like, you know, he's he's submissive. 106 00:05:29,060 --> 00:05:29,560 He. 107 00:05:32,020 --> 00:05:33,380 Like Stomnet woman. 108 00:05:33,380 --> 00:05:38,180 Yeah, all everything that I've taken from him, everything that I've learned about him. 109 00:05:38,180 --> 00:05:40,900 I'm like, yeah, he totally likes being tied up. 110 00:05:41,860 --> 00:05:42,340 Yeah. 111 00:05:42,340 --> 00:05:44,580 What did we leave off with William Marsden? 112 00:05:44,580 --> 00:05:51,460 I remember we brought up the third member of their poly amorous relationship, actually, 113 00:05:51,460 --> 00:05:52,260 which was. 114 00:05:52,260 --> 00:05:53,060 Yeah, I think we were. 115 00:05:53,060 --> 00:05:58,180 We were in getting into his college life, right? 116 00:05:58,180 --> 00:06:00,260 Or we already talked to we talked about his college. 117 00:06:00,260 --> 00:06:02,900 We were getting into his life as a professor. 118 00:06:03,700 --> 00:06:08,660 I believe his love life and his life as a professor is more complex side of his love life. 119 00:06:08,660 --> 00:06:11,220 Probably where the movie, I think, picks up. 120 00:06:11,220 --> 00:06:11,780 Yep. Right. 121 00:06:13,060 --> 00:06:17,700 Yes. I do also believe that we were talking about Olive. 122 00:06:17,700 --> 00:06:22,500 Yeah, more specifically about all of them were getting more into detail about her as a person. 123 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:23,000 Yeah. 124 00:06:24,100 --> 00:06:26,580 So it's let's dive back into it. 125 00:06:26,580 --> 00:06:26,900 Yeah. 126 00:06:26,900 --> 00:06:28,100 Yes, yes, yes, yes. 127 00:06:28,740 --> 00:06:29,620 More, more, more. 128 00:06:30,660 --> 00:06:37,220 So in 1922, Olive actually spent the summer with her mother and Cape Cod. 129 00:06:39,860 --> 00:06:44,180 Which is actually it was a safe haven for, quote, homosexuals. 130 00:06:46,180 --> 00:06:48,500 I wonder if it's still a safe haven today. 131 00:06:48,500 --> 00:06:52,580 I don't hear much about things from Cape Cod. 132 00:06:52,580 --> 00:06:53,220 Yeah. 133 00:06:53,220 --> 00:06:54,580 Do things still happen there? 134 00:06:54,580 --> 00:06:57,140 Well, it's all the way in the East Coast where we are on the West Coast. 135 00:06:57,140 --> 00:06:58,100 Oh, yeah, that's right. 136 00:06:58,100 --> 00:06:59,940 It's not like we're going to hear a lot of East Coast. 137 00:06:59,940 --> 00:07:01,860 They're already asleep by the time we wake up. 138 00:07:01,860 --> 00:07:02,420 It makes sense. 139 00:07:03,940 --> 00:07:05,060 No, what's going on there? 140 00:07:05,060 --> 00:07:06,820 What time do you guys wake up? 141 00:07:07,940 --> 00:07:08,820 I'm pretty early. 142 00:07:10,580 --> 00:07:11,540 We're early risers. 143 00:07:12,100 --> 00:07:13,380 Something that's really interesting. 144 00:07:14,020 --> 00:07:17,060 I feel like I say that way too often. 145 00:07:17,060 --> 00:07:18,340 Something that's really interesting. 146 00:07:19,460 --> 00:07:19,860 I don't know. 147 00:07:21,060 --> 00:07:21,860 Is it interesting? 148 00:07:22,660 --> 00:07:26,900 I think it's just that we talk about a lot of topics that are interesting. 149 00:07:26,900 --> 00:07:31,060 It's also hard because I take notes on the things that I find interesting. 150 00:07:31,860 --> 00:07:35,060 So it's everything is like something that's interesting. 151 00:07:35,060 --> 00:07:36,020 It's pretty interesting. 152 00:07:36,020 --> 00:07:38,980 We can find the other words. 153 00:07:38,980 --> 00:07:39,220 Yeah. 154 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:46,020 Since, since, siminins, cinnamon, cinnamons. 155 00:07:46,020 --> 00:07:47,540 Anteans. 156 00:07:47,540 --> 00:07:48,660 So getting back into it. 157 00:07:50,020 --> 00:07:56,900 So something to note here is that her mother and her aunt, 158 00:07:58,340 --> 00:08:09,620 Ethel and Margaret Sanger, Sanger, sorry, history, is they believed in sex outside of marriage. 159 00:08:10,180 --> 00:08:13,460 They actually believe that marriage was a form of oppression. 160 00:08:13,460 --> 00:08:15,300 Specifically sexual oppression. 161 00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:16,580 How so? 162 00:08:17,300 --> 00:08:25,140 So basically, you know, kind of people would get married very young and then you're supposed 163 00:08:25,140 --> 00:08:26,420 to be loyal to that person. 164 00:08:26,420 --> 00:08:28,340 You're supposed to be tied down to that person. 165 00:08:28,820 --> 00:08:30,980 That's the only person you're supposed to have sex with. 166 00:08:31,780 --> 00:08:38,900 Also keep in mind at the time, sex for pleasure was not a thing. 167 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:43,700 You were supposed to specifically like have sex to reproduce. 168 00:08:44,420 --> 00:08:44,580 So. 169 00:08:45,300 --> 00:08:45,940 What a time. 170 00:08:47,460 --> 00:08:47,700 Yeah. 171 00:08:47,700 --> 00:08:54,340 So in a way, like marriage was oppression, like sexual oppression. 172 00:08:55,220 --> 00:08:57,460 Because you were expected to do that. 173 00:08:58,020 --> 00:08:58,500 Yeah. 174 00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:04,180 Society wise, you were considered an unsuccessful woman if you were over a certain age and not 175 00:09:04,180 --> 00:09:06,020 married and having children yet. 176 00:09:06,020 --> 00:09:06,260 Right. 177 00:09:06,260 --> 00:09:10,660 Right, which is actually very interesting because we see that today. 178 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:12,340 There's a lot. 179 00:09:12,340 --> 00:09:12,580 Yes. 180 00:09:12,580 --> 00:09:20,020 There's a huge movement of, you know, people not having children that are our age, that 181 00:09:20,020 --> 00:09:20,980 are married. 182 00:09:20,980 --> 00:09:22,580 They do not want to have children. 183 00:09:22,580 --> 00:09:27,220 However, them getting like pressured by their family, like when are you going to have kids? 184 00:09:27,220 --> 00:09:28,180 Why don't you have kids? 185 00:09:30,180 --> 00:09:31,540 When am I getting grandchildren? 186 00:09:31,540 --> 00:09:36,980 When you're going to make me grandchildren, it's like, maybe I don't want to make kids. 187 00:09:36,980 --> 00:09:40,500 Like, maybe I don't want to bring them into a world like this. 188 00:09:41,300 --> 00:09:41,860 Yeah. 189 00:09:41,860 --> 00:09:44,100 World's resources are only so limited. 190 00:09:44,100 --> 00:09:45,460 Like, we can't. 191 00:09:46,580 --> 00:09:49,300 We can't draw out oil out of the earth forever. 192 00:09:49,300 --> 00:09:50,100 You know, we can't. 193 00:09:51,140 --> 00:09:52,260 Unless you need plastic. 194 00:09:52,260 --> 00:09:53,700 Chop down trees forever. 195 00:09:53,700 --> 00:09:54,500 Tons of plastic. 196 00:09:55,460 --> 00:09:58,980 I think Jenny was about to like go on like a Thanos rant. 197 00:09:58,980 --> 00:10:00,420 Thanos rant. 198 00:10:00,420 --> 00:10:02,500 We might as well just repurge the planet. 199 00:10:02,500 --> 00:10:03,700 Just purge the planet. 200 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:04,260 Just half. 201 00:10:04,260 --> 00:10:04,900 Only half. 202 00:10:04,900 --> 00:10:05,540 Only half. 203 00:10:05,540 --> 00:10:06,260 Only half. 204 00:10:06,260 --> 00:10:07,140 Well, half the planet. 205 00:10:08,340 --> 00:10:10,420 But no, we see this today. 206 00:10:10,420 --> 00:10:12,100 You're supposed to go to high school. 207 00:10:12,100 --> 00:10:14,980 When you get out of high school, school, you're supposed to go to college. 208 00:10:14,980 --> 00:10:16,260 You're supposed to get married. 209 00:10:16,260 --> 00:10:17,780 You're supposed to buy a house. 210 00:10:17,780 --> 00:10:19,380 You're supposed to have children. 211 00:10:20,340 --> 00:10:21,140 And then when you. 212 00:10:21,140 --> 00:10:22,420 And then repeat the cycle. 213 00:10:22,420 --> 00:10:25,380 When you don't do that, you know, there's a lot of questions typically. 214 00:10:25,380 --> 00:10:26,420 Why aren't you doing that? 215 00:10:26,420 --> 00:10:26,900 So. 216 00:10:26,900 --> 00:10:29,300 Yeah. 217 00:10:29,300 --> 00:10:29,860 Yeah. 218 00:10:31,220 --> 00:10:32,180 William Marston. 219 00:10:35,540 --> 00:10:37,060 Definitely a bottom. 220 00:10:39,620 --> 00:10:43,300 What is up with the bottom questions today? 221 00:10:45,620 --> 00:10:46,980 We talk a lot about bottoms. 222 00:10:49,540 --> 00:10:50,740 Soapy bottoms. 223 00:10:54,100 --> 00:10:55,300 There's nothing more to say. 224 00:10:55,300 --> 00:10:58,500 There's nothing better than a soapy bottom. 225 00:10:58,500 --> 00:11:00,180 I like a soapy bottom. 226 00:11:00,180 --> 00:11:00,660 What? 227 00:11:00,660 --> 00:11:04,500 A soft core, soaped up butts like from a PG-13 camp movie. 228 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:05,780 I can't get enough of it. 229 00:11:05,780 --> 00:11:07,060 Drives me wild. 230 00:11:07,060 --> 00:11:08,580 OK, let's talk about something else. 231 00:11:08,580 --> 00:11:12,020 OK, so back to Margaret and Ethel. 232 00:11:12,900 --> 00:11:13,220 Yes. 233 00:11:13,220 --> 00:11:19,620 So even though her aunt would remarry a millionaire in 1922. 234 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:21,060 Oh, how convenient. 235 00:11:21,060 --> 00:11:23,620 Like a billionaire nowadays or a trillionaire. 236 00:11:23,620 --> 00:11:25,940 So someone was born in a castle. 237 00:11:26,900 --> 00:11:28,740 And someone else is married to a billionaire. 238 00:11:29,700 --> 00:11:31,860 There seems to be a pattern in the story. 239 00:11:34,020 --> 00:11:34,520 However. 240 00:11:36,100 --> 00:11:38,740 She would keep it a secret for over a year. 241 00:11:39,540 --> 00:11:40,500 Oh, wow. 242 00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:41,000 Why? 243 00:11:41,460 --> 00:11:47,700 So based on my research, it was most likely to help fund her birth control movement. 244 00:11:49,140 --> 00:11:50,660 And I say that in regards of. 245 00:11:50,660 --> 00:11:56,900 If you're married to a millionaire, why would you need funds? 246 00:11:57,700 --> 00:11:59,460 Like, why would you need donations? 247 00:11:59,460 --> 00:12:01,700 Like, why not just like have your husband pay for it? 248 00:12:02,980 --> 00:12:03,460 Sure. 249 00:12:03,460 --> 00:12:04,020 Right. 250 00:12:04,020 --> 00:12:07,620 So I think it also kind of paints like a different picture. 251 00:12:08,340 --> 00:12:08,820 Right. 252 00:12:08,820 --> 00:12:16,980 Like someone from high society, you know, kind of like fighting for a cause versus someone 253 00:12:16,980 --> 00:12:25,300 that's like trying to very much be the average, everyday person fighting for women's rights. 254 00:12:25,300 --> 00:12:27,300 It I think it hits differently. 255 00:12:28,180 --> 00:12:33,220 Oh, so she was afraid of having a public image of being married into money. 256 00:12:35,300 --> 00:12:35,800 Right. 257 00:12:36,340 --> 00:12:38,100 Like, so imagine this. 258 00:12:39,380 --> 00:12:41,620 Two, two different politicians. 259 00:12:41,620 --> 00:12:42,120 Yeah. 260 00:12:42,900 --> 00:12:44,180 One politician. 261 00:12:44,180 --> 00:12:49,460 So something that's a very hot topic today, affordable housing. 262 00:12:50,580 --> 00:12:57,220 So if what, if one, one politicians yelling about affordable housing, trying to get. 263 00:12:58,100 --> 00:13:04,180 More options on the market, trying to fundraise, get money for programs, get grants for programs. 264 00:13:05,300 --> 00:13:08,100 So let's say, sorry, let's say both of them are doing that. 265 00:13:08,660 --> 00:13:09,700 One politician. 266 00:13:11,140 --> 00:13:12,340 You find a lot of money. 267 00:13:12,340 --> 00:13:17,300 One you find out came from a very. 268 00:13:18,900 --> 00:13:23,780 Poor background was homeless, struggled to find affordable housing. 269 00:13:23,780 --> 00:13:25,220 Now he's in Congress. 270 00:13:25,220 --> 00:13:26,020 He's fighting. 271 00:13:26,020 --> 00:13:33,940 He's yelling for affordable housing versus someone who is a millionaire. 272 00:13:35,060 --> 00:13:40,340 Screaming about affordable housing, which one I think hits harder. 273 00:13:40,340 --> 00:13:44,500 I mean, it sounds like, you know, obviously the person with that background 274 00:13:44,500 --> 00:13:49,540 cares more about that cause because they, they got to where they're at now. 275 00:13:51,300 --> 00:13:52,180 From the beginning. 276 00:13:52,180 --> 00:13:52,680 Yeah. 277 00:13:53,060 --> 00:13:54,660 Of dealing with that problem versus. 278 00:13:55,700 --> 00:14:01,060 You know, someone who's lived a life of luxury being like, yeah, I care about poor people. 279 00:14:02,180 --> 00:14:03,860 Yeah, it becomes very political. 280 00:14:03,860 --> 00:14:08,340 Like, oh, you're just choosing a hot topic because you know, people you're trying to get reelected. 281 00:14:08,340 --> 00:14:17,860 And this is my like personal opinion from the research that I did, but I do feel like maybe she 282 00:14:17,860 --> 00:14:24,100 did think that it was going to help her public image if everyone all of a sudden knew that she was 283 00:14:24,900 --> 00:14:26,900 this very wealthy, like millionaire. 284 00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:30,100 That's just personally my opinion. 285 00:14:30,980 --> 00:14:32,500 So she kept it hidden. 286 00:14:33,140 --> 00:14:33,640 Right. 287 00:14:34,020 --> 00:14:38,260 However, her new husband is the president. 288 00:14:38,260 --> 00:14:44,500 The person that paid for all of his college tuition at Tufts university. 289 00:14:47,460 --> 00:14:47,960 Nice. 290 00:14:48,580 --> 00:14:49,080 Very nice. 291 00:14:49,620 --> 00:14:50,500 So pay pig. 292 00:14:55,380 --> 00:14:56,020 Oh gosh. 293 00:14:56,900 --> 00:14:59,780 I don't think they had the term pay pig back then. 294 00:15:01,060 --> 00:15:02,340 Maybe I don't know. 295 00:15:04,340 --> 00:15:05,380 He's a pay pig. 296 00:15:05,380 --> 00:15:13,220 Anyways, so in her freshman year of college, by the way, she was an English major. 297 00:15:14,660 --> 00:15:15,620 She started school. 298 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:19,940 She was already two months behind in her semester. 299 00:15:19,940 --> 00:15:23,860 So it was kind of, she was struggling right from the gate. 300 00:15:25,060 --> 00:15:30,340 She didn't really do that well grade wise in college. 301 00:15:30,980 --> 00:15:33,140 She was in the glee club. 302 00:15:33,140 --> 00:15:37,060 She was on the newspaper staff for the college. 303 00:15:38,100 --> 00:15:40,500 She was chairman of the social committee. 304 00:15:41,140 --> 00:15:42,420 She played basketball. 305 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:47,220 She landed a leading role in the opera. 306 00:15:48,900 --> 00:15:55,060 And she was a member of Alpha Omega cron phi sorority. 307 00:15:56,100 --> 00:15:56,660 So hold up. 308 00:15:56,660 --> 00:15:57,620 She sang opera. 309 00:15:58,340 --> 00:15:58,840 Yes. 310 00:15:59,300 --> 00:16:00,020 She has a very. 311 00:16:00,020 --> 00:16:04,340 And she created the Tufts liberal club. 312 00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:09,780 So she did a lot of extra activities. 313 00:16:09,780 --> 00:16:10,900 Extra curriculars. 314 00:16:10,900 --> 00:16:11,400 Yes. 315 00:16:12,020 --> 00:16:15,300 She did a lot of extracurricular activities. 316 00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:16,260 Correct. 317 00:16:16,260 --> 00:16:20,100 Now keep in mind though, this was a different time. 318 00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:20,600 Yeah. 319 00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:23,860 You know, 1920s, you're not watching TV. 320 00:16:23,860 --> 00:16:27,620 Yeah, you're expected to be pretty well rounded and busy. 321 00:16:27,620 --> 00:16:28,120 Yeah. 322 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,300 What else are you going to do? 323 00:16:30,300 --> 00:16:31,100 Listen to the radio. 324 00:16:31,100 --> 00:16:35,900 Yeah, you couldn't play the new Zelda game. 325 00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:39,100 You had to go outside. 326 00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:42,460 No, I know what you did. 327 00:16:42,460 --> 00:16:44,060 Read Wonder Woman comics. 328 00:16:44,060 --> 00:16:45,100 Wasn't out yet. 329 00:16:45,100 --> 00:16:46,700 Oh, read comics. 330 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:48,140 Wasn't out yet. 331 00:16:48,140 --> 00:16:48,780 Paper mache. 332 00:16:50,460 --> 00:16:51,420 Maybe crocheting. 333 00:16:52,540 --> 00:16:53,040 Knitting. 334 00:16:53,540 --> 00:16:54,040 Yeah. 335 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,040 And just getting kinky. 336 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,560 No, I'm kidding. 337 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:01,960 Getting plain old kinky. 338 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:09,800 So needless to say, she ended her freshman year on academic probation. 339 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,040 Her grades would come up. 340 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,160 She would do better. 341 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:19,000 Something to note here, her sophomore year, she actually invited her aunt to come and 342 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,360 speak as a guest for the liberal club. 343 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:25,000 However, the college refused to let her on campus. 344 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,160 We talked about this, I believe, in the very first episode 345 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:35,800 about how college campuses were trying to keep women from talking and fighting, 346 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,720 basically trying to silence them. 347 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:38,200 Yeah. 348 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,920 Yeah, they weren't allowed to talk on campus or something, like speak publicly on campus. 349 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:47,480 And it seemed like a lot of students, men included, males included, were against that. 350 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:48,280 They were like, fuck that. 351 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,120 We're going to talk. 352 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:51,400 We're going to protest. 353 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,400 And we're going to have whatever speakers we want. 354 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,320 No, we're not going to take it. 355 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:08,760 We're not going to take it anymore. 356 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:17,160 She was voted the wittiest, cleverest, and most distinctive student of class of 1926. 357 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:18,860 Wow. 358 00:18:18,860 --> 00:18:22,060 She's very prestigious in her own right. 359 00:18:23,980 --> 00:18:24,480 Yeah. 360 00:18:25,100 --> 00:18:28,620 As far as like academic background, she sang opera. 361 00:18:29,180 --> 00:18:30,060 Yeah, that's pretty cool. 362 00:18:30,940 --> 00:18:37,340 I mean, like, how many people do you know today that was depicted in the movie to name 363 00:18:37,340 --> 00:18:41,500 a person that you've met that says like, yeah, I sing opera. 364 00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:42,800 Yeah. 365 00:18:43,580 --> 00:18:44,620 No, very funny. 366 00:18:45,260 --> 00:18:46,780 Really? You know somebody. 367 00:18:46,780 --> 00:18:55,180 So the first day of the Seattle Erotic Art Festival that we recently covered. 368 00:18:56,860 --> 00:18:58,220 That was last week. 369 00:18:58,220 --> 00:18:59,900 Yes, last week's episode. 370 00:19:02,940 --> 00:19:08,940 The Seattle Opera was right next door to the Seattle Erotic Art Festival. 371 00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:12,300 No, it was a little confusing. 372 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:17,020 It was actually the opera was in the same building that the GSBA Impact Awards were in 373 00:19:17,020 --> 00:19:17,900 that we went to. 374 00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:19,420 Oh, yeah, that was really nice. 375 00:19:19,420 --> 00:19:24,140 And I actually went there first and they're like, oh, no, this is the opera. 376 00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:28,700 Imagine if you wear like a GIMP suit. 377 00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:29,820 Fancy like that. 378 00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:30,300 Kind of. 379 00:19:30,300 --> 00:19:32,860 And then they were like, that is over there. 380 00:19:32,860 --> 00:19:36,940 They poured into like the building right next door. 381 00:19:36,940 --> 00:19:39,740 Go enjoy your garbage show over there. 382 00:19:39,740 --> 00:19:40,780 And I was like, OK, I will. 383 00:19:40,780 --> 00:19:41,500 I will. 384 00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:43,500 Go enjoy your garbage. 385 00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:44,940 I'm going to enjoy it so much. 386 00:19:44,940 --> 00:19:47,420 As he like snarfed down a snail. 387 00:19:48,140 --> 00:19:50,380 Now, they were really cool. 388 00:19:51,340 --> 00:19:53,420 They were kind of confused of what I was talking about. 389 00:19:53,420 --> 00:19:55,580 But then when I showed them, they're like, oh, that's over there. 390 00:19:55,580 --> 00:19:56,860 They're doing what over there? 391 00:19:58,460 --> 00:20:00,140 They're doing what kind of stuff over there? 392 00:20:00,140 --> 00:20:00,620 I did. 393 00:20:00,620 --> 00:20:05,580 I was like at first I was a little intimidated because I was like, wow, I am way underdressed here. 394 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:08,940 Everyone's wearing like suits and ties. 395 00:20:08,940 --> 00:20:10,140 I was not picturing this. 396 00:20:10,140 --> 00:20:12,700 So you were kind of relieved to find out that that wasn't the event. 397 00:20:12,700 --> 00:20:14,300 Yeah, I was like, OK, cool. 398 00:20:15,420 --> 00:20:16,220 I like that. 399 00:20:16,220 --> 00:20:17,020 This is better. 400 00:20:17,020 --> 00:20:18,060 This is a lot better. 401 00:20:18,060 --> 00:20:18,460 OK. 402 00:20:18,460 --> 00:20:19,020 I love that. 403 00:20:19,020 --> 00:20:19,580 That's funny. 404 00:20:20,620 --> 00:20:21,120 All right. 405 00:20:22,380 --> 00:20:27,980 So in the fall of 1925, what happens? 406 00:20:28,620 --> 00:20:32,300 William Marston arrives at Tufts University. 407 00:20:32,300 --> 00:20:34,780 And we talked about this in a previous episode. 408 00:20:34,780 --> 00:20:37,420 He always has like the right timing for everything. 409 00:20:37,420 --> 00:20:38,220 Yes. 410 00:20:38,220 --> 00:20:38,620 Really? 411 00:20:38,620 --> 00:20:39,340 Seriously? 412 00:20:39,340 --> 00:20:45,100 Now, what's very interesting is he arrives as a assistant professor. 413 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:45,900 And I want to. 414 00:20:48,540 --> 00:20:49,180 Assistant. 415 00:20:50,780 --> 00:20:53,340 He's an assistant professor. 416 00:20:54,220 --> 00:20:55,020 William is? 417 00:20:55,020 --> 00:20:56,060 He went from. 418 00:20:56,060 --> 00:21:03,580 Yes, he went from Harvard to teaching at American University. 419 00:21:03,580 --> 00:21:08,380 And then and also being on the psychology board. 420 00:21:10,380 --> 00:21:18,060 So he went from all that to teaching at Tufts University as an assistant professor. 421 00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:20,300 Why? 422 00:21:21,740 --> 00:21:23,740 So this is a this is a huge. 423 00:21:23,740 --> 00:21:24,860 Yeah, he sounds. 424 00:21:24,860 --> 00:21:28,620 Yeah, because he had like a really good job and really good career. 425 00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:32,540 And I think that part was actually present represented in the movie. 426 00:21:32,540 --> 00:21:33,740 It was. 427 00:21:33,740 --> 00:21:34,140 It was. 428 00:21:34,140 --> 00:21:35,740 We know something happened. 429 00:21:36,620 --> 00:21:38,780 We don't specifically know. 430 00:21:38,780 --> 00:21:44,140 So, for instance, we know he was fired from American University after he was arrested 431 00:21:44,140 --> 00:21:45,820 in charge with fraud. 432 00:21:45,820 --> 00:21:47,580 However, all charges were dropped. 433 00:21:48,860 --> 00:21:55,100 We do know, for instance, Sadie did not follow him to Massachusetts. 434 00:21:55,100 --> 00:21:58,940 She took a job in New York instead for a psychology journal. 435 00:21:58,940 --> 00:22:02,620 So you're talking about kind of a newlywed company or. 436 00:22:03,660 --> 00:22:07,740 They're freshly together and they go on separate paths. 437 00:22:07,740 --> 00:22:13,260 He was doing very well academically in his career and then takes a huge demotion. 438 00:22:13,260 --> 00:22:16,460 And then she also changes careers. 439 00:22:17,580 --> 00:22:25,180 She she takes a I think this might be her first job out of college. 440 00:22:25,180 --> 00:22:26,460 I'm not entirely sure. 441 00:22:26,460 --> 00:22:30,140 But the fact is, you know, and Sadie. 442 00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:33,660 Sadie is not your typical woman at all. 443 00:22:33,660 --> 00:22:40,060 Keep in mind, it's very much rumored that Wonder Woman is kind of based off of Sadie. 444 00:22:40,060 --> 00:22:43,500 So she is a very strong, independent woman. 445 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:48,060 And we'll kind of get into that a little bit later, but she wanted to focus on her career. 446 00:22:48,780 --> 00:22:51,820 She didn't want anything to hinder her career at all. 447 00:22:51,820 --> 00:22:59,820 However, it is a little odd that you're going to take a job in a different state from your husband. 448 00:22:59,820 --> 00:23:00,620 All together. 449 00:23:00,620 --> 00:23:03,260 Yes, newly husband. 450 00:23:04,060 --> 00:23:10,140 And also at the same time, your husband got arrested for fraud, but all charges were dropped, 451 00:23:10,140 --> 00:23:19,260 got fired from a university and is no longer on a psychology board and also is now an assistant professor. 452 00:23:19,260 --> 00:23:21,340 I mean, the major happened there. 453 00:23:21,340 --> 00:23:30,380 Well, that and I believe a lot of a lot of women's success at the time was also framed around how successful their husband was. 454 00:23:31,260 --> 00:23:32,060 Correct. 455 00:23:33,180 --> 00:23:33,660 Yes. 456 00:23:34,940 --> 00:23:39,580 Now, something that I can't say for sure. 457 00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:41,340 This is what happened. 458 00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:47,260 But looking at like timeline of events, keep in mind, this is 1925. 459 00:23:47,260 --> 00:23:54,860 Yes, 1925 and 1923, he published a book. 460 00:23:57,180 --> 00:24:01,180 OK, so this is always that the book on this theory? 461 00:24:01,180 --> 00:24:02,620 No, not yet. 462 00:24:02,620 --> 00:24:03,420 Oh, yeah. 463 00:24:03,420 --> 00:24:07,660 But he published a book on or sorry, not a book. 464 00:24:08,220 --> 00:24:10,780 He published an article about sex. 465 00:24:11,340 --> 00:24:11,900 Oh, boy. 466 00:24:12,940 --> 00:24:16,620 Oh, I probably said this may have been the catalyst. 467 00:24:16,620 --> 00:24:17,020 Yeah. 468 00:24:17,020 --> 00:24:21,180 Now, keep in mind, you know, psychology there. 469 00:24:22,540 --> 00:24:22,860 You know. 470 00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:29,100 A lot of psychologists in this time period are obsessed with talking about sex. 471 00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:33,420 I mean, you had Sigmund Freud. 472 00:24:33,420 --> 00:24:37,180 Yeah, that guy who everything was sex to him. 473 00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:42,140 Every every, you know, sex could be explained for every single thing. 474 00:24:42,140 --> 00:24:43,180 In a suddenly. 475 00:24:43,180 --> 00:24:46,220 Yeah, he talked about sex with how many different family members? 476 00:24:46,220 --> 00:24:48,140 Oh, like all of them. 477 00:24:48,140 --> 00:24:48,380 Yeah. 478 00:24:48,380 --> 00:24:48,780 Yeah. 479 00:24:48,780 --> 00:24:49,500 Oh, my God. 480 00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:50,140 Yeah, that guy. 481 00:24:51,420 --> 00:24:53,340 So that that one. 482 00:24:53,340 --> 00:24:58,540 But I kind of I kind of feel like maybe his article didn't go so well 483 00:24:58,540 --> 00:25:02,540 and he started kind of getting maybe knocked down a little bit 484 00:25:03,180 --> 00:25:06,540 on his kind of academic ladder. 485 00:25:06,540 --> 00:25:09,820 Also, getting arrested doesn't help, even though the charges were dropped. 486 00:25:09,820 --> 00:25:12,780 But it looks bad. 487 00:25:12,780 --> 00:25:13,740 It looks bad. 488 00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:13,980 Yeah. 489 00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:15,180 Professional career does. 490 00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:18,380 And I could see people back then being hyper judgmental of, 491 00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:20,380 you were accused of that. 492 00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:23,020 Yeah, but all the drops, all charges were dropped. 493 00:25:23,020 --> 00:25:24,940 Yeah, but you were accused of that. 494 00:25:24,940 --> 00:25:25,180 Yeah. 495 00:25:26,860 --> 00:25:28,300 You know, now. 496 00:25:30,460 --> 00:25:32,060 We don't specifically know. 497 00:25:32,060 --> 00:25:35,660 I kind of feel like maybe it was a it was a few different things. 498 00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:40,540 So we don't specifically know, but I feel like maybe it was a few different things 499 00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:47,100 of, you know, the article, maybe some other things. What we do know is what happens 500 00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:50,220 at Tufts. And I think maybe that can kind of be a clue. 501 00:25:50,940 --> 00:25:59,820 So at Tufts University, Olive took experimental psychology with William Marston in 1925. 502 00:26:00,380 --> 00:26:04,540 And besides gym class, it was her only a. 503 00:26:06,140 --> 00:26:06,640 Interesting. 504 00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:09,420 Oh, that's very interesting. 505 00:26:09,420 --> 00:26:09,920 Interesting. 506 00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:17,740 In fact, she also took applied psychology, abnormal psychology and a research seminar 507 00:26:17,740 --> 00:26:22,540 meant for grad level students. And she got all A's in them as well. 508 00:26:23,180 --> 00:26:25,900 So she's taking classes that she's not supposed to take, 509 00:26:26,540 --> 00:26:30,780 but she's getting her professor's approval to take them. 510 00:26:30,780 --> 00:26:33,500 She's making A's on all of these classes. 511 00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:35,180 She's an English major. 512 00:26:35,180 --> 00:26:40,140 She's not making A's in like English classes. I don't know. 513 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:43,500 Sounds like kind of like a little bit of favoritism. 514 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:44,780 Something's happening here. 515 00:26:45,340 --> 00:26:52,140 Adding to the level of some sort of unprofessional level here. 516 00:26:52,940 --> 00:26:55,820 William Marston hires her as a research assistant. 517 00:26:58,860 --> 00:27:00,540 Kind of questionable move to do. 518 00:27:00,540 --> 00:27:05,580 But what was he researching? 519 00:27:07,340 --> 00:27:10,940 Well, that's a good question. 520 00:27:10,940 --> 00:27:12,140 What was he researching? 521 00:27:12,140 --> 00:27:14,460 How the human body responds to lying. 522 00:27:16,060 --> 00:27:23,500 So that would be actually a very appropriate guess. 523 00:27:25,180 --> 00:27:28,380 And I could see why you would why you would guess that. 524 00:27:28,380 --> 00:27:30,780 I'm wrong. 525 00:27:32,380 --> 00:27:33,020 Yes. 526 00:27:33,020 --> 00:27:33,340 Damn. 527 00:27:35,260 --> 00:27:36,300 What was he researching? 528 00:27:37,180 --> 00:27:38,060 Studying. 529 00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:38,540 Drum roll. 530 00:27:40,860 --> 00:27:45,660 How girls named Olive fall for their college professors. 531 00:27:45,660 --> 00:27:46,220 No, I'm kidding. 532 00:27:48,540 --> 00:27:49,340 She's like, how? 533 00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:51,500 Tell me. 534 00:27:51,500 --> 00:28:01,100 No, so he was researching how women felt tying up and beating other women. 535 00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:04,460 Was that for a college credit? 536 00:28:05,420 --> 00:28:08,940 Did they represent that in the movie very accurately? 537 00:28:08,940 --> 00:28:12,940 Because I know that they were at a certain point, you see that that 538 00:28:14,380 --> 00:28:17,100 the one scene where all of this doing her 539 00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:23,260 initiation, her sorority initiation, it's very like it looks very kinky. 540 00:28:23,260 --> 00:28:24,780 So that's what we're getting into. 541 00:28:24,780 --> 00:28:24,940 Yeah. 542 00:28:24,940 --> 00:28:26,220 Was that him studying? 543 00:28:26,940 --> 00:28:29,420 Because it doesn't really clarify that in the movie. 544 00:28:29,420 --> 00:28:32,940 So very key difference here. 545 00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:37,180 If you recall in the movie, William Marston was with his wife 546 00:28:37,180 --> 00:28:38,380 and he like sticks his wife. 547 00:28:38,380 --> 00:28:40,620 Yeah, that totally did not happen in real life. 548 00:28:40,620 --> 00:28:42,620 His wife was in New York. 549 00:28:42,620 --> 00:28:43,120 Yeah. 550 00:28:43,660 --> 00:28:44,860 Oh, yeah. 551 00:28:44,860 --> 00:28:50,460 Wow, so this goes way off course of what I remember from the movie. 552 00:28:50,460 --> 00:28:50,940 Well, yeah. 553 00:28:51,660 --> 00:28:52,300 Yeah. 554 00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:55,580 OK. It's like a new experience. 555 00:28:55,580 --> 00:28:59,980 So, yeah. So previously, William Marston, he was focused on the lie detector, 556 00:28:59,980 --> 00:29:03,420 but now he's shifting to sex. 557 00:29:04,220 --> 00:29:05,260 Sexual things. 558 00:29:05,260 --> 00:29:08,460 So it's like deep dive into bondage. 559 00:29:09,580 --> 00:29:09,980 Wow. 560 00:29:09,980 --> 00:29:10,700 And spanking. 561 00:29:11,660 --> 00:29:12,700 And this was at Harvard. 562 00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:14,220 This was at Tufts University. 563 00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:16,380 This is the new place where he moved to. 564 00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:16,860 Yeah. 565 00:29:16,860 --> 00:29:18,460 He's just an assistant. 566 00:29:19,180 --> 00:29:20,700 He is just an assistant. 567 00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:24,860 I mean, he is teaching eight classes a semester. 568 00:29:24,860 --> 00:29:25,660 Oh, my God. 569 00:29:25,660 --> 00:29:27,660 Like they're assistant professor. 570 00:29:27,660 --> 00:29:34,300 Yeah. Well, I mean, so keep in mind, like your tenured professors. 571 00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:39,260 Yeah, they might teach a couple of classes, but they mainly want to do research. 572 00:29:40,060 --> 00:29:41,260 They want to do research. 573 00:29:41,260 --> 00:29:45,260 They want to hire research assistants for almost nothing. 574 00:29:45,980 --> 00:29:51,500 And yeah, they're using the college to get funding for their research. 575 00:29:52,780 --> 00:29:56,940 And sounds like some fun research is also experimenting on students, apparently. 576 00:29:56,940 --> 00:30:01,580 And your assistant professors are the ones that are doing all the grunt work of teaching 577 00:30:01,580 --> 00:30:03,020 all these other classes. 578 00:30:04,220 --> 00:30:06,140 So well, tell me more. 579 00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:07,260 Tell me more about this. 580 00:30:07,260 --> 00:30:08,300 Tell me more. 581 00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:09,180 Unraveling. 582 00:30:09,180 --> 00:30:16,940 So he was getting classmates to spank Olive and he was like, I need this woman in my life. 583 00:30:16,940 --> 00:30:19,260 Only female classmates. 584 00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:23,100 So women spanking other women and tying them up. 585 00:30:24,380 --> 00:30:25,900 That's just a normal Wednesday here. 586 00:30:26,620 --> 00:30:27,100 Yeah. 587 00:30:29,260 --> 00:30:30,140 Ain't nothing wrong. 588 00:30:30,140 --> 00:30:31,740 Ain't nothing weird about that here. 589 00:30:31,740 --> 00:30:39,900 So during this time, he was developing the theory of human emotions, which he would later 590 00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:46,460 cover in his book Emotions of Normal People, which established disk theory, 591 00:30:46,460 --> 00:30:49,660 which is still actually used today. 592 00:30:51,020 --> 00:30:59,420 For instance, I know the parent company that I work for uses disk theory very heavily. 593 00:30:59,420 --> 00:31:02,700 Oh, really? 594 00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:03,100 Yes. 595 00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:03,980 Oh, that's amazing. 596 00:31:03,980 --> 00:31:09,660 So it's I'm sure it's evolved over time or maybe like changed a little bit, 597 00:31:09,660 --> 00:31:11,980 but it's still it's still used today. 598 00:31:11,980 --> 00:31:16,780 When you type in a Google disk theory images, like there's a whole there's a whole. 599 00:31:17,980 --> 00:31:18,700 Oh, my God. 600 00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:23,580 There's just a butt ton of images of different like layouts of the disk theory. 601 00:31:23,580 --> 00:31:24,380 Ton of butt. 602 00:31:24,380 --> 00:31:26,460 How many how many is a butt ton? 603 00:31:26,460 --> 00:31:30,460 It's just not a metric ton of butt. 604 00:31:30,460 --> 00:31:32,300 It's just a ton of butt. 605 00:31:33,260 --> 00:31:33,980 A ton. 606 00:31:33,980 --> 00:31:34,220 OK. 607 00:31:35,180 --> 00:31:35,740 OK. 608 00:31:35,740 --> 00:31:36,620 A booty. 609 00:31:39,580 --> 00:31:46,220 Now, William Marston's disk theory is a behavioral model that explains how individuals 610 00:31:46,220 --> 00:31:50,380 tend to respond to their environment and interact with with others. 611 00:31:50,380 --> 00:31:56,620 So basically, disk puts people into four different personality traits. 612 00:31:57,180 --> 00:32:01,340 So the D, the I, the S and the C all stand for something. 613 00:32:01,340 --> 00:32:03,180 Can you guess what they stand for? 614 00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:07,340 D is obviously for dominance. 615 00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:08,460 Yes. 616 00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:11,660 I is for influence because, you know, I'm an influencer. 617 00:32:12,220 --> 00:32:12,780 Oh, my gosh. 618 00:32:12,780 --> 00:32:13,020 Yes. 619 00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:20,620 S is for subs steadiness. 620 00:32:20,620 --> 00:32:21,180 Right. 621 00:32:21,180 --> 00:32:21,820 Right. 622 00:32:21,820 --> 00:32:24,300 And C is for conscientiousness. 623 00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:24,940 Correct. 624 00:32:24,940 --> 00:32:25,340 Wow. 625 00:32:25,340 --> 00:32:25,980 OK. 626 00:32:25,980 --> 00:32:28,620 I thought I was so as was submissive. 627 00:32:28,620 --> 00:32:31,660 One would think one would think. 628 00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:33,340 Well, there's dominance. 629 00:32:33,340 --> 00:32:33,660 I forget. 630 00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:34,460 I forget. 631 00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:35,820 It's not BDSM yet. 632 00:32:35,820 --> 00:32:36,780 This is before. 633 00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:39,420 This is the pre to be dominance. 634 00:32:39,420 --> 00:32:41,580 This is the pre to be dominance. 635 00:32:41,580 --> 00:32:43,420 I thought it would be dominance and then this. 636 00:32:44,940 --> 00:32:47,100 BDSM isn't a thing yet. 637 00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:47,900 OK. 638 00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:50,860 So I got this early 1900 still. 639 00:32:50,860 --> 00:32:51,420 All right. 640 00:32:51,420 --> 00:32:52,060 Yes. 641 00:32:52,060 --> 00:32:53,020 Yeah, definitely. 642 00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:53,900 BDSM is like. 643 00:32:55,580 --> 00:32:56,300 Not around yet. 644 00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:58,300 I mean, I would say it's around. 645 00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:00,780 It's around, but it's not called that term, isn't there? 646 00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:06,780 So kind of going into a little bit deeper, D dominance, 647 00:33:06,780 --> 00:33:11,500 people with dominant personalities are assertive goal oriented. 648 00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:12,700 Decisive. 649 00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:16,940 They're typically very confident and enjoy taking charge of all situations. 650 00:33:17,980 --> 00:33:18,940 Makes sense. 651 00:33:18,940 --> 00:33:19,440 Yes. 652 00:33:19,980 --> 00:33:26,620 The I individuals with influential personalities are outgoing, optimistic, and sociable. 653 00:33:27,340 --> 00:33:31,420 They enjoy building relationships and are good at persuading others. 654 00:33:32,780 --> 00:33:33,420 That makes sense. 655 00:33:34,940 --> 00:33:36,780 S steadiness. 656 00:33:36,780 --> 00:33:43,500 People are steady people with a steady personality are patient, supportive, and reliable. 657 00:33:44,060 --> 00:33:48,060 They are typically team players who value harmony and stability. 658 00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:50,940 OK. 659 00:33:50,940 --> 00:34:01,340 So see conscientiousness are individuals that are analytical, detail oriented and systematic. 660 00:34:01,340 --> 00:34:05,740 They value being very accurate and driving for perfection. 661 00:34:06,460 --> 00:34:07,020 OK. 662 00:34:07,020 --> 00:34:08,700 So it's like, yeah. 663 00:34:09,260 --> 00:34:12,940 Which you would need in order to even pronounce your letter. 664 00:34:13,660 --> 00:34:20,540 It's almost like the dis theory back then was used a lot like was that one personality test that we do nowadays. 665 00:34:22,220 --> 00:34:23,260 Oh, the Myers-Briggs. 666 00:34:23,260 --> 00:34:26,780 Yeah, it's like a very basic Myers-Briggs personality test. 667 00:34:26,780 --> 00:34:27,580 It seems like. 668 00:34:27,580 --> 00:34:28,940 Have you guys done that, by the way? 669 00:34:28,940 --> 00:34:29,420 No. 670 00:34:29,420 --> 00:34:31,420 What are you? 671 00:34:31,420 --> 00:34:33,420 Oh, gosh, what am I? 672 00:34:33,420 --> 00:34:34,700 I was like, Ian. 673 00:34:34,700 --> 00:34:35,500 We're the same. 674 00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:36,700 FJ or ENFP. 675 00:34:36,700 --> 00:34:38,700 No, we're ENFP. 676 00:34:38,700 --> 00:34:39,260 ENFP. 677 00:34:39,260 --> 00:34:40,220 Both of us. 678 00:34:40,220 --> 00:34:40,700 Yeah. 679 00:34:43,740 --> 00:34:44,860 Does that scare you? 680 00:34:46,220 --> 00:34:47,740 I'm just going to leave the podcast now. 681 00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:48,540 Why? 682 00:34:48,540 --> 00:34:49,340 Hang on. 683 00:34:50,140 --> 00:34:50,620 Why? 684 00:34:50,620 --> 00:34:51,580 Does it? 685 00:34:51,580 --> 00:34:52,540 Is that bad? 686 00:34:52,540 --> 00:34:53,580 I think. 687 00:34:53,580 --> 00:34:54,780 Let me like. 688 00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:55,820 They're like, yeah. 689 00:34:55,820 --> 00:34:57,340 I think that's the. 690 00:34:57,340 --> 00:34:59,500 Most toxic one. 691 00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:03,500 Extrovert. 692 00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:04,940 Yeah. 693 00:35:05,660 --> 00:35:07,580 So that's very interesting. 694 00:35:07,580 --> 00:35:09,580 I'm an INFP. 695 00:35:10,620 --> 00:35:13,420 You guys are ENFPs. 696 00:35:13,420 --> 00:35:14,460 Mm hmm. 697 00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:21,500 So we are very similar personalities, except for I'm introverted and you both are extroverted. 698 00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:22,060 Yeah. 699 00:35:22,940 --> 00:35:23,820 Wow. 700 00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:33,420 It would make sense because like back in the day when we used to go party and stuff, you were very you would you would you would come out of your own shell eventually. 701 00:35:33,420 --> 00:35:36,380 But it was mostly like I was instantly out of my own shell. 702 00:35:36,380 --> 00:35:39,020 I was just like, oh, I was I was always out of my shell. 703 00:35:39,020 --> 00:35:41,020 Yeah, whatever. 704 00:35:41,020 --> 00:35:49,580 So yeah, it does seem like it's a very basic version of the Myers-Briggs test. 705 00:35:49,580 --> 00:35:51,980 But specifically. 706 00:35:51,980 --> 00:35:56,540 When it comes to like dominance and submission, right? 707 00:35:56,540 --> 00:36:11,180 Well, so the whole idea is that by better understanding the four personality types, one can improve communication, build stronger relationships and enhance teamwork in personal and professional settings. 708 00:36:11,180 --> 00:36:14,220 So I think the other one is mainly. 709 00:36:14,220 --> 00:36:16,220 A lot like broader. 710 00:36:16,220 --> 00:36:21,820 On like, hey, this is kind of who you are in life. 711 00:36:21,820 --> 00:36:24,140 This is more so I kind of feel like in a. 712 00:36:26,140 --> 00:36:28,140 Professional like. 713 00:36:30,140 --> 00:36:33,980 Again, teamwork, working together, how to get what you want. 714 00:36:33,980 --> 00:36:34,780 Mm hmm. 715 00:36:34,780 --> 00:36:39,580 So which would make sense why, you know, it's still used in kind of like a business atmosphere. 716 00:36:39,580 --> 00:36:42,060 So it's the Myers-Briggs test for business professionals. 717 00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:42,780 I guess. 718 00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:47,180 For your business personality, everyone does have like a different personality when it comes to business. 719 00:36:47,180 --> 00:36:48,540 That is very true. 720 00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:49,580 I am. 721 00:36:49,580 --> 00:36:53,100 Let's be honest, like you're a different person when you're when it comes down to. 722 00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:57,420 Well, yeah, like you like even like when you're at work, you like you put your work smile on. 723 00:36:57,420 --> 00:36:59,740 It's a different kind of smile than your authentic one. 724 00:37:01,020 --> 00:37:01,740 Right. 725 00:37:01,740 --> 00:37:03,740 Yeah, I definitely agree with that. 726 00:37:03,740 --> 00:37:04,940 Yeah, our kind of work. 727 00:37:04,940 --> 00:37:05,500 Yes. 728 00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:08,380 Except for us, these are our real smiles, by the way. 729 00:37:08,380 --> 00:37:28,940 Right. Yeah. So Olive actually took her professor to show him how new pledges and her sorority were hazed, which involved dressing them up as babies, blindfolding them, tying their hands behind their backs and hitting them with sticks or paddles. 730 00:37:28,940 --> 00:37:30,540 Hold on a second. 731 00:37:30,540 --> 00:37:33,020 Someone that was in charge of that. 732 00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:35,020 Yeah, I think that's a good one. 733 00:37:35,020 --> 00:37:42,700 Someone that was in charge of that had that was playing to like their fantasy of some sort. 734 00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:46,140 I do believe so. 735 00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:50,220 I mean, part of it is going to be just kind of tradition. 736 00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:56,460 I mean, we still see fraternities doing stuff like that, even though they're not really supposed to, I don't think anymore. 737 00:37:56,460 --> 00:37:59,740 But you still see fraternities doing this today. 738 00:37:59,740 --> 00:38:07,500 So I think some of it is probably just tradition, like, oh, hey, every year we do this. 739 00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:17,500 However, at least somewhere down the line, there's there's people that maybe they don't even know it, but they this is a kinky side to them. 740 00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:19,260 Yeah. Interesting. 741 00:38:19,260 --> 00:38:22,060 On both sides, the people that are in charge and the people that are. 742 00:38:22,060 --> 00:38:27,020 Yeah, it's like from the dominant perspective, they're like, yes, yes. 743 00:38:27,020 --> 00:38:31,500 Do this humiliating thing for me. Pledge your loyalty to me. 744 00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:37,100 Yeah. And then on the Somerset side, it's like, I'm just happy to be here. 745 00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:41,940 So all of invited William to the. 746 00:38:41,940 --> 00:38:45,180 Her sorority initiation for hazing. 747 00:38:45,180 --> 00:38:47,100 I mean, it was hazing. 748 00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:51,900 Oh, OK. Was it her being initiated or is it just other sorority members? 749 00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:59,580 Based on my research, I believe it was just witnessing other people's initiation. 750 00:38:59,580 --> 00:39:05,420 I think she was already actually in to the sorority. 751 00:39:05,420 --> 00:39:13,580 And again, the movie depicts William Marston sneaking in and like not it's not known that he's in there. 752 00:39:13,580 --> 00:39:17,180 Right. Like the sorority doesn't know that he's watching. 753 00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:24,060 However, we do know that afterwards, all of them, William conducted interviews on the upper class women 754 00:39:24,060 --> 00:39:32,700 who were hazing and the research that they kind of came up with was that in most cases, 755 00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:38,540 the women that were involved enjoyed what was happening. 756 00:39:38,540 --> 00:39:42,460 Interesting. Yeah, the movie definitely did not. 757 00:39:42,460 --> 00:39:46,300 It definitely looked like, oh, we're sneaking into doing something naughty. 758 00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:49,340 Right. Yeah. And it was like something all of was here. 759 00:39:49,340 --> 00:39:51,740 You should come watch this. Right. 760 00:39:51,740 --> 00:39:53,820 Yeah, it's like all of knew it was going on. 761 00:39:53,820 --> 00:39:59,420 But that does kind of sound like isn't that how that type of research would even come to be known to begin with? 762 00:39:59,420 --> 00:40:06,340 I could totally understand the professors learning that these sororities and fraternities are doing stuff like that. 763 00:40:06,340 --> 00:40:10,020 And they're like, oh, I wonder why they're doing that. 764 00:40:10,020 --> 00:40:11,900 Yeah. And they just started studying it. 765 00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:13,620 So that's a that's a really good point. 766 00:40:13,620 --> 00:40:19,100 I mean, he's a psychology assistant professor. 767 00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:26,900 So, you know. Yeah, it could be, hey, we're let's kind of try to figure out why this is happening. 768 00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:32,100 He's establishing disk theory. He's coming up like, hey, like this is consensual. 769 00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:35,220 Hey, they are enjoying it. 770 00:40:35,220 --> 00:40:36,980 That's interesting to me. 771 00:40:36,980 --> 00:40:42,980 I wonder what all of intentions of inviting him were besides for just research purposes. 772 00:40:42,980 --> 00:40:50,260 It's hard to say, because obviously we don't have like all the facts here, but maybe all of. 773 00:40:50,260 --> 00:40:54,380 Did go to William and say, like, hey. 774 00:40:54,380 --> 00:40:56,940 You know, I've taken like. 775 00:40:56,940 --> 00:41:06,340 Four of your classes, something that's kind of interesting is, you know, my sorority does hazing every semester or whatever. 776 00:41:06,340 --> 00:41:08,420 So maybe she pitched it to. 777 00:41:08,420 --> 00:41:14,860 But what we do know is what happens the next year in 1926. 778 00:41:14,860 --> 00:41:19,860 Olive actually graduates from college. 779 00:41:19,860 --> 00:41:22,660 Yay. Yay. Congratulations. 780 00:41:22,660 --> 00:41:32,140 Nice. And also at that college graduation, William invited his wife, Sadie, to the graduation ceremony to, quote, 781 00:41:32,140 --> 00:41:39,180 meet someone special and there is a photograph of William. 782 00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:44,180 Olive, Olive's mother and Sadie. 783 00:41:44,180 --> 00:41:53,260 Oh, wow. So kind of a group photo of all of Sadie, William and then all of his mother. 784 00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:56,980 So that was their first meeting. Yeah. 785 00:41:56,980 --> 00:42:01,780 As far as we know, I wonder what was going on in Sadie's mind. 786 00:42:01,780 --> 00:42:07,780 Like. How much information do you think that he? 787 00:42:07,780 --> 00:42:11,700 Gave Sadie about all of my wonder. 788 00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:21,580 Like, did she walk into this just thinking, oh, this is just one of his favorite students or like, is this someone that my husband's interested in? 789 00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:26,900 My opinion is based on. 790 00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:31,860 Details that are about to come up in the story. 791 00:42:31,860 --> 00:42:43,260 To me, I think it was Sadie did not know a whole lot, and it was very much like, hey, come be my favorite or like maybe someone that's like. 792 00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:52,700 Very kind of. Because keep in mind, Sadie and William both got degrees in psychology. 793 00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:59,620 So it very much could have been a hey, this person, this young person just graduated from college. 794 00:42:59,620 --> 00:43:04,700 They're very smart, very bright. I think you should come out here and meet her. 795 00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:07,540 She's like killing it in all my classes. 796 00:43:07,540 --> 00:43:14,140 You know, she's like the smartest person. Yeah, she's getting A's and all of these other unimportant classes. 797 00:43:14,140 --> 00:43:19,940 And, babe, you know me, I don't hand out A's. 798 00:43:19,940 --> 00:43:21,980 Yeah, I don't want to hand out A's like that. 799 00:43:21,980 --> 00:43:28,740 Yeah. So I I'm going to ask you the same question here in a little bit. 800 00:43:28,740 --> 00:43:31,500 How about that? OK. OK. All right. 801 00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:39,140 So all have decided not to pursue a graduate degree in nursing, how she originally kind of planned. 802 00:43:39,140 --> 00:43:47,540 And even though her aunt was willing to pay for it, but decided that she wanted to go on for psychology. 803 00:43:47,540 --> 00:43:56,380 Interesting. She wanted to not only work with William Marston, but also live with him. 804 00:43:56,380 --> 00:44:04,140 Her mother did not approve of this. This was kind of if I remember correctly from my research, 805 00:44:04,140 --> 00:44:09,740 this was kind of pitched as a hey, like I could save money. I could stay with him. 806 00:44:09,740 --> 00:44:15,500 It makes sense because like we would be doing research together and I would learn so much 807 00:44:15,500 --> 00:44:21,700 from this expert in psychology. And we'll save so much more water if we shower together. 808 00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:24,420 Yeah. Yeah. It makes sense. 809 00:44:24,420 --> 00:44:28,540 You don't have to buy me an extra bed. I'll just share his bed. Right. 810 00:44:28,540 --> 00:44:30,540 It makes total sense. 811 00:44:32,540 --> 00:44:38,140 William Marston ended up leaving Tufts University after Olive graduated. 812 00:44:38,140 --> 00:44:40,820 He was there for less than a year. 813 00:44:40,820 --> 00:44:49,460 Most likely he was asked to leave due to the relationship with Olive and also his experiments on young women. 814 00:44:49,460 --> 00:44:53,740 Probably did not go over well. 815 00:44:53,740 --> 00:44:55,860 No. The spankings. 816 00:44:55,860 --> 00:44:56,860 No. 817 00:44:58,060 --> 00:45:01,900 Yeah, the internet doesn't like being spanked. 818 00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:08,300 Olive moved in for the summer with Sadie and William in Connecticut. 819 00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:14,300 One version of the family story is that William gave Sadie a choice. 820 00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:19,220 Either Olive moved in or he would leave. 821 00:45:19,220 --> 00:45:24,060 Which the story goes, this is a family story, keep in mind. 822 00:45:24,060 --> 00:45:28,500 The family story goes that this devastated Sadie. 823 00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:37,940 So first of all, there's like a little bit about your kind of like what you just asked about, 824 00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:42,220 you know, how much does Sadie know based on that family story. 825 00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:45,580 I would say probably very little at the time. 826 00:45:45,580 --> 00:45:54,220 But also, I wanted to kind of bring up a very good topic point of, you know, Nikki, 827 00:45:54,220 --> 00:46:06,500 how do you two decide who joins your relationship since you both are in a poly relationship and have been for a while now? 828 00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:17,460 So if painting a picture, if like, say, for example, one of us pulled a William Marsden and was like, 829 00:46:17,460 --> 00:46:24,060 oh, hey, by the way, kind of been dating this girl for like almost a year, 830 00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:31,500 that we probably wouldn't be very excited to be learning that so late. 831 00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:35,220 By the way, they're moving in, you know, 832 00:46:35,220 --> 00:46:43,380 me and Jenny have pretty open communication as far as like, hey, I met this person. 833 00:46:43,380 --> 00:46:50,340 Hey, I think I might be interested in this person or hey, I think I might be interested in this person. 834 00:46:50,340 --> 00:46:52,380 I'm still trying to figure this out. 835 00:46:52,380 --> 00:47:03,620 And I want her feedback, you know, we don't really do anything without discussing everything. 836 00:47:03,620 --> 00:47:06,700 Open and honest about everything. 837 00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:13,020 Like you're mean, if you're married in a monogamous relationship, 838 00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:17,180 you're going to tell your spouse, like, hey, I'm going to hang out with my friends. 839 00:47:17,180 --> 00:47:18,660 You know? Yeah. 840 00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:21,780 So, of course, with a polyamorous relationship, it's going to be the same. 841 00:47:21,780 --> 00:47:23,180 I'm going to go hang out with my friends. 842 00:47:23,180 --> 00:47:27,980 Well, maybe one of those friends eventually develops into something more. 843 00:47:27,980 --> 00:47:33,140 During that process, you're always open with your partner or partners if you have multiple. 844 00:47:33,140 --> 00:47:36,700 And you just let them know, hey, I'm actually developing feelings for this person. 845 00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:38,460 I would like you to meet them. 846 00:47:38,460 --> 00:47:42,820 Or at that point, I mean, if they've been your friends for a while, they probably should have met them already. 847 00:47:42,820 --> 00:47:44,500 You know? 848 00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:51,820 And before you get into like real serious with that that person you want to add into your relationship, 849 00:47:51,820 --> 00:47:55,140 you need to discuss that with your partners, the partners that you have currently, 850 00:47:55,140 --> 00:47:57,900 because that's the relationship that you have that you're building. 851 00:47:57,900 --> 00:48:01,700 Yeah. And in order for them to trust you entirely, 852 00:48:01,700 --> 00:48:04,620 they expect you to be open about that. 853 00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:10,500 And I feel like with polyamory, it's like an unspoken rule just to be open and honest, 854 00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:13,300 because there's a lot of jealousy that can happen. 855 00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:17,060 There's a lot of miscommunication that can happen if you're not communicating. 856 00:48:17,060 --> 00:48:26,780 So assumptions that can be made that can be poor, poor assumptions and can can get you and yourself hurt or you and others hurt emotionally. 857 00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:29,460 Yeah. Sometimes we feel insecure. 858 00:48:29,460 --> 00:48:33,780 And we we talk about that with one another. 859 00:48:33,780 --> 00:48:41,140 Yeah. You know, we we try to have open line of communication about our feelings, 860 00:48:41,140 --> 00:48:43,940 what feeling it is and when we feel it. 861 00:48:43,940 --> 00:48:48,500 You know, yeah, well, with our with our partner that we have, our third partner, 862 00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:55,740 Nikki met him through work and then and then mentioned him to me because they were away for work, 863 00:48:55,740 --> 00:48:58,700 like they're on their traveling for work. 864 00:48:58,700 --> 00:49:02,700 So I I remember talking to her on the phone. 865 00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:05,100 She was like, hey, I met I met someone and we've been hanging out. 866 00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:07,260 They've been really cool. 867 00:49:07,260 --> 00:49:10,740 I would like for us to hang out when I get back. 868 00:49:10,740 --> 00:49:12,100 I want you to meet them. 869 00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:13,580 And I eventually got to meet him. 870 00:49:13,580 --> 00:49:20,460 And, you know, we started doing like dates, more formal dates and like one thing led to another. 871 00:49:20,460 --> 00:49:25,180 And, you know, eventually I was calling on my boyfriend and he was moving in. 872 00:49:25,180 --> 00:49:32,580 And they're just like, if you can be open and honest and communicate properly with your partner, 873 00:49:32,580 --> 00:49:35,180 the craziest, amazing things can happen. 874 00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:42,980 Yeah. Especially if you're willing to explore polyamory is I feel like a lot of couples 875 00:49:42,980 --> 00:49:48,180 could be better as throuples or whatever you want to call it. 876 00:49:48,180 --> 00:49:53,060 So, Nikki. Jay. 877 00:49:53,060 --> 00:49:58,020 Has there ever been a kind of. 878 00:49:58,020 --> 00:50:04,780 Someone maybe someone got feelings for somebody and the other person didn't agree. 879 00:50:04,780 --> 00:50:07,260 Yeah, that's happened. That's happened a few times. 880 00:50:07,260 --> 00:50:09,860 All right. So how did that go? 881 00:50:09,860 --> 00:50:13,420 Oh, so. 882 00:50:13,420 --> 00:50:19,820 It more starts out with like Jenny, Jenny's like very overprotective, I think, sometimes. 883 00:50:19,820 --> 00:50:21,740 So she's like, I don't know about this person yet. 884 00:50:21,740 --> 00:50:23,820 I don't know what their intentions are. 885 00:50:23,820 --> 00:50:28,180 And then I'm just kind of like, oh, but, you know, but they're so nice or they're so cute. 886 00:50:28,180 --> 00:50:35,740 And, you know, we kind of play that out. 887 00:50:35,740 --> 00:50:43,060 And I accept her caution and I try to be more cautious and. 888 00:50:43,060 --> 00:50:50,700 You know. We try to get the approval from one another like, hey, yeah, let's 889 00:50:50,700 --> 00:50:53,340 let's let's move this forward a little bit. 890 00:50:53,340 --> 00:50:58,220 If I don't approve of someone, usually I'm like, hey, let me get you to know them. 891 00:50:58,220 --> 00:51:00,860 Is I have high walls. 892 00:51:00,860 --> 00:51:04,820 I don't trust people very easily because people tend to betray that trust. 893 00:51:04,820 --> 00:51:08,060 Oh, she looked at somebody. 894 00:51:08,060 --> 00:51:10,940 Are they watching? I don't know. 895 00:51:10,940 --> 00:51:15,980 Are you watching? But yeah, some people tend to betray that trust. 896 00:51:15,980 --> 00:51:22,020 And I just don't want to give people my my all right away if I don't know them. 897 00:51:22,020 --> 00:51:26,820 So if she knows if she knows of someone that I'm very like about, 898 00:51:26,820 --> 00:51:30,020 I give them the chance to prove me wrong. 899 00:51:30,020 --> 00:51:34,140 Basically, I give that person the chance to. 900 00:51:34,140 --> 00:51:41,740 Mess up and, you know, prove to me that they're not worth my time kind of, you know. 901 00:51:41,740 --> 00:51:44,060 Yeah, because you don't win in our relationship. 902 00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:47,580 You don't always in our way we have it formed. 903 00:51:47,580 --> 00:51:53,060 You don't always have to agree on each other's partners, but it would be better. 904 00:51:53,060 --> 00:52:00,420 You know. So approval is is better than disapproval. 905 00:52:00,420 --> 00:52:03,180 Jay looks like he has more questions. Yeah, I mean, yeah. 906 00:52:03,180 --> 00:52:09,820 And I'm sure I'm sure our viewers have questions, too. So. 907 00:52:09,820 --> 00:52:16,940 So if, for instance, Nikki did start started getting feelings for somebody, 908 00:52:16,940 --> 00:52:20,580 let's just call them, I don't know. 909 00:52:20,580 --> 00:52:23,820 William. OK. 910 00:52:23,820 --> 00:52:28,180 Oh, wait, real William or sexy Hollywood, William Hollywood. 911 00:52:28,180 --> 00:52:30,540 Oh, OK. OK. OK. 912 00:52:30,540 --> 00:52:33,540 So William comes into the picture. 913 00:52:33,540 --> 00:52:35,420 Start mingling. 914 00:52:35,420 --> 00:52:37,820 You start hanging out with them. 915 00:52:37,820 --> 00:52:41,020 You start developing feelings. 916 00:52:41,020 --> 00:52:44,300 You go to Jenny or Jenny, Jenny, I'm starting to get feelings. 917 00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:47,540 Jenny's like, well, hold up high walls here. 918 00:52:47,540 --> 00:52:50,300 Let's get to know this guy a little bit better. 919 00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:52,340 Jenny, you get to know him a little better. 920 00:52:52,340 --> 00:52:58,660 And Jenny, you're just absolutely like, no, he's going to gain like 200 pounds. 921 00:52:58,660 --> 00:53:01,140 He's not going to be attractive. 922 00:53:01,140 --> 00:53:05,060 No. Well, but you were very strong. 923 00:53:05,060 --> 00:53:08,940 You're very strong and you're like, but I I want to move in with him 924 00:53:08,940 --> 00:53:11,700 and I want to study psychology with him. 925 00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:15,020 And he's just he's really in the comics. 926 00:53:15,020 --> 00:53:18,340 And I don't know, I think he could really go somewhere with this. 927 00:53:18,340 --> 00:53:20,780 Yeah. You know, 928 00:53:21,460 --> 00:53:24,100 I don't know, Jenny, how how how would you handle that? 929 00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:26,820 I don't like someone. I don't like someone. 930 00:53:26,820 --> 00:53:28,100 But it's my heart. 931 00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:31,180 And I think I might be into this person. 932 00:53:31,180 --> 00:53:35,540 But I guess like a direct question is if you are 100 percent against somebody. 933 00:53:35,740 --> 00:53:37,500 Oh, yeah, she can veto. Yeah. 934 00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:39,180 So that's it. She's a little veto. 935 00:53:39,180 --> 00:53:42,980 If she's like 100 percent dead set, like, no, this person had to do. 936 00:53:43,260 --> 00:53:45,780 I I trust Jenny. You have to. 937 00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:47,980 You know, for me, I have to have. 938 00:53:47,980 --> 00:53:50,260 It's funny because I'm going to lay this out like it's court. 939 00:53:50,420 --> 00:53:54,340 I have to have incriminating evidence on this person 940 00:53:54,660 --> 00:53:58,220 to dignify that they cannot be a part of a relationship. 941 00:53:58,220 --> 00:54:02,460 Because like if I'm like, for instance, I'm like, I don't like that person 942 00:54:02,460 --> 00:54:06,980 because they talk a certain way, that's not an excuse enough to not like person 943 00:54:07,220 --> 00:54:09,260 or not to involve them in the relationship. 944 00:54:09,260 --> 00:54:11,820 But if I'm like, that person is a liar. 945 00:54:13,020 --> 00:54:16,780 I will. And I feel passionate that they're a liar. 946 00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:20,780 That's the time where it's like, this is an example of when they're lying. 947 00:54:20,780 --> 00:54:23,540 This is an example of when they're doing something that I don't like. 948 00:54:24,180 --> 00:54:27,940 And that's when it's like when if she doesn't like 949 00:54:27,940 --> 00:54:30,580 doesn't accept that, then it's like then becomes a problem. 950 00:54:30,580 --> 00:54:34,260 But it's usually at that point, if I can prove like, hey, this person 951 00:54:34,260 --> 00:54:37,660 is really not that good of a person and she can see it. 952 00:54:37,980 --> 00:54:41,980 It's we're both in agreement, like, OK, maybe we shouldn't be talking to this person. 953 00:54:42,420 --> 00:54:45,940 But now that we have three, we're we're a throuple. 954 00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:48,420 It's a veto system with three people. 955 00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:55,060 So we never come into the situation where one of us approves, another one doesn't. 956 00:54:55,420 --> 00:54:57,780 And like one person's infatuated with a new person. 957 00:54:57,780 --> 00:55:00,380 You know, we haven't come and encountered that situation yet. 958 00:55:00,540 --> 00:55:03,300 But I'll let you know when when happens and how we handle it. 959 00:55:03,660 --> 00:55:07,780 It's just anything, any problem, any situation, any relationship 960 00:55:08,260 --> 00:55:13,660 in a when it comes to polyamory, specifically requires communication. 961 00:55:13,860 --> 00:55:16,820 Yeah. Yeah. And we've dated outside of our throuple. 962 00:55:17,140 --> 00:55:21,780 Yeah. And we've had disagreements on people that we've dated outside of our throuple. 963 00:55:22,340 --> 00:55:24,540 You know, and. 964 00:55:24,540 --> 00:55:26,940 I don't know, I think it's been going OK so far. 965 00:55:26,940 --> 00:55:30,900 It's it's only made me and Jenny's relationship stronger 966 00:55:31,740 --> 00:55:33,300 throughout this process. Yeah. 967 00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:36,100 To be honest, like. 968 00:55:37,140 --> 00:55:42,740 And I so I imagine with the line of work that you two do, 969 00:55:43,380 --> 00:55:50,820 obviously, it's probably very easy to meet maybe potential new additions to the group. 970 00:55:50,820 --> 00:55:53,740 Yeah, occasionally we come across somebody that we really like. 971 00:55:53,740 --> 00:55:54,740 You know, and. 972 00:55:55,820 --> 00:55:59,900 Because we obviously we have if we have similar personalities, 973 00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:03,060 we already care about similar work. 974 00:56:03,540 --> 00:56:06,140 You know, we live similar lifestyles. 975 00:56:06,140 --> 00:56:11,100 Yeah. With our line of work, yeah, we do need a lot of people that are potential candidates. 976 00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:16,740 But like, I feel like the further on we get in our relationship, 977 00:56:16,740 --> 00:56:22,740 in our relationship with our boyfriend, that it's like it's 978 00:56:22,740 --> 00:56:25,940 we're not as searching, searching as much. 979 00:56:25,940 --> 00:56:30,220 I feel like when it was just us two, we were definitely actor. 980 00:56:30,220 --> 00:56:34,020 Please. We both kind of wanted to share a boyfriend kind of thing. 981 00:56:34,380 --> 00:56:40,580 And yeah, and even when we had him in our life, we we still were looking, 982 00:56:40,580 --> 00:56:43,020 you know, you know, like we're still open to it. 983 00:56:43,460 --> 00:56:46,420 But I feel like the older we get, the more 984 00:56:47,820 --> 00:56:50,340 it feels like they find us rather than finding them. 985 00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:54,460 Yeah, it's not like it's very much people find us and they fall in love with us 986 00:56:54,460 --> 00:56:57,540 instead of us being like, oh, I found this new person. 987 00:56:58,140 --> 00:57:04,700 So for the the fans, because you two both have a very large fan base. 988 00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:06,980 OK. Mm hmm. For the fans at home. 989 00:57:07,940 --> 00:57:11,860 Would either one of you or both of you consider. 990 00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:15,300 Dating a fan. 991 00:57:16,660 --> 00:57:17,900 Would we date a fan? 992 00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:20,820 It really depends on it, because like, 993 00:57:20,820 --> 00:57:23,660 I think I would have to not know they're a fan first. 994 00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:27,460 As well, that's funny. 995 00:57:27,460 --> 00:57:28,460 You bring that up. 996 00:57:28,460 --> 00:57:31,500 And so our boyfriend 997 00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:36,700 has said that they used to, you know, they used to watch Reddit, 998 00:57:37,220 --> 00:57:39,100 you know, or they fan of us. 999 00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:42,100 Well, so he wasn't aware 1000 00:57:42,820 --> 00:57:45,900 that of who I was, because, you know, we were dating. 1001 00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:50,020 That of who I was, because, you know, I wore my hair differently at work. 1002 00:57:50,820 --> 00:57:55,660 You know, had a hair tied back and I always had a stupid hat on. 1003 00:57:56,780 --> 00:58:01,500 So. He it took him a while. 1004 00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:04,580 And like, once I confided in him, like, yeah, I do. 1005 00:58:04,860 --> 00:58:07,820 I do can work on the side and he's like. 1006 00:58:07,820 --> 00:58:10,260 Wait a second. Oh, my God. 1007 00:58:10,980 --> 00:58:13,340 He was a fan, wasn't he? 1008 00:58:13,340 --> 00:58:16,420 I mean, he wasn't like a subscribed fan or anything. 1009 00:58:16,420 --> 00:58:20,460 It's more of like, I know, he's seen some of my posts and upvoted them. 1010 00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:24,260 It's OK. So I guess as an example, it didn't really matter. 1011 00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:25,860 This doesn't really matter. 1012 00:58:25,860 --> 00:58:28,540 Like, I guess I would because. 1013 00:58:28,900 --> 00:58:31,860 But if they were like a huge like if they were like a super fan, 1014 00:58:31,860 --> 00:58:36,380 they're like, oh, my God, you know, like I've seen you and I love your stuff. 1015 00:58:36,660 --> 00:58:39,140 Like and I just I just watch it every single day. 1016 00:58:39,140 --> 00:58:40,340 How do they say it again? 1017 00:58:40,340 --> 00:58:42,620 I love your stuff. 1018 00:58:42,620 --> 00:58:46,460 And they're like liking all my Twitter pictures, 1019 00:58:46,460 --> 00:58:50,940 liking all my Instagram pictures, subscribe to like all my subscription sites. 1020 00:58:50,980 --> 00:58:52,820 It would depend on the level of fan. 1021 00:58:52,820 --> 00:58:55,180 Yeah. If it's like an obsessive fan, 1022 00:58:55,180 --> 00:58:58,180 you know, maybe kind of turned off a little bit by that. Yeah. 1023 00:58:58,420 --> 00:59:00,420 But if it's someone that's a normal person, that's like, hey, 1024 00:59:00,420 --> 00:59:02,580 I'm also a fan of your work. Like I support. 1025 00:59:02,580 --> 00:59:04,500 I support the things you do. I think you all are hot. 1026 00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:06,260 I like your personalities. 1027 00:59:06,260 --> 00:59:08,340 Yeah, I'd talk to this person. 1028 00:59:08,340 --> 00:59:10,340 I'd have a drink with this person. OK. 1029 00:59:10,340 --> 00:59:14,180 I think that's like very common also when we see like famous 1030 00:59:14,180 --> 00:59:16,620 like actors or actresses. Yeah. 1031 00:59:16,620 --> 00:59:18,820 They kind of say the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. 1032 00:59:18,820 --> 00:59:24,500 So no one wants like the fanatic there, like obsessing over them. 1033 00:59:24,540 --> 00:59:26,540 Oh, I'm now dating my stalker. 1034 00:59:26,540 --> 00:59:28,980 I mean, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 1035 00:59:28,980 --> 00:59:30,500 Oh, my God. That'd be scary. 1036 00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:33,380 What do you find attractive in other people? 1037 00:59:33,620 --> 00:59:39,580 I don't know. Honestly, what do I find attractive in other people? 1038 00:59:39,580 --> 00:59:41,660 Yeah. But there's buts. 1039 00:59:41,660 --> 00:59:46,780 I'm trying to think important things for me. 1040 00:59:46,780 --> 00:59:49,940 But we said, but yeah, for me, it's. 1041 00:59:52,060 --> 00:59:54,620 Buts. OK, all right. 1042 00:59:54,620 --> 00:59:56,820 I'll be serious and but picks. 1043 00:59:56,820 --> 01:00:00,580 So all seriousness, probably, but. 1044 01:00:01,580 --> 01:00:07,820 All right. So those of you at home, do not send dick pics, send butt pics. 1045 01:00:07,820 --> 01:00:10,660 No, stop. Don't don't tell them that. 1046 01:00:10,660 --> 01:00:13,100 Send butt pics. Don't. Where can they send them? 1047 01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:18,380 On Twitter, follow them on Twitter, send them butt pics. 1048 01:00:18,380 --> 01:00:21,580 Oh, wait. What do I what do I look for in a partner? 1049 01:00:23,900 --> 01:00:26,380 I value I value. 1050 01:00:27,340 --> 01:00:29,980 Humor. I really like I like humor. 1051 01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:32,780 I like kindness, generosity. 1052 01:00:32,780 --> 01:00:35,540 I like intelligence. 1053 01:00:35,540 --> 01:00:39,140 Someone that will smother her with attention 24 7. 1054 01:00:39,420 --> 01:00:42,660 Yes, yes. Yeah. 1055 01:00:43,620 --> 01:00:46,820 That's nice. But not too much. 1056 01:00:49,260 --> 01:00:51,620 I just like butts. 1057 01:00:51,620 --> 01:00:52,740 There you have it. 1058 01:00:52,740 --> 01:00:55,100 Well, I really do. I agree with her, though. 1059 01:00:55,100 --> 01:00:57,340 Personality is everything for me. 1060 01:00:57,820 --> 01:00:59,900 And you have to be quite intelligent. 1061 01:00:59,900 --> 01:01:02,620 Like you have to actually hold a conversation with me. 1062 01:01:02,620 --> 01:01:05,460 Yeah. And be engaging in the conversation. 1063 01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:10,660 Because like looks are important, of course, like pretty eyes, 1064 01:01:10,660 --> 01:01:12,740 pretty smile, things like that. 1065 01:01:12,740 --> 01:01:18,500 But after you get over that, oh, you're so pretty part. 1066 01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:22,540 There's the very important part is the personality, the person behind the smile. 1067 01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:27,020 Yeah. And for me, that's a that's it'll kill it or keep it going for me. 1068 01:01:27,020 --> 01:01:30,060 Like I could be super attractive to attracted to you. 1069 01:01:30,060 --> 01:01:34,540 Like you could be like Brad Pitt, hot, you know, or like frickin. 1070 01:01:35,540 --> 01:01:37,060 What's her name? 1071 01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:40,780 You could be like Brad Pitt, hot or. 1072 01:01:40,780 --> 01:01:43,220 I think you just you can't stop thinking about Brad Pitt. 1073 01:01:43,220 --> 01:01:47,180 I can't. You could be you could be like, OK, let me say that again. 1074 01:01:47,340 --> 01:01:49,700 You could be like Brad Pitt, hot. 1075 01:01:49,700 --> 01:01:54,580 But if you don't have a good personality and you're, you know, as dull as like. 1076 01:01:56,540 --> 01:01:59,580 Can be. Yeah, I'm not going to like 1077 01:01:59,580 --> 01:02:02,980 I'm a look past that physical attractiveness because 1078 01:02:03,780 --> 01:02:07,740 when when I look for a partner, specifically, I'm looking for like a match, 1079 01:02:08,140 --> 01:02:10,260 like a personality match. 1080 01:02:10,260 --> 01:02:13,500 Thanks. It's like it's like looks are kind of like a secondary thing. 1081 01:02:14,060 --> 01:02:17,780 And we like nerdy, funny. 1082 01:02:18,860 --> 01:02:20,900 Sweet, sweet people. 1083 01:02:20,900 --> 01:02:23,900 I think it's like mostly our demographic. 1084 01:02:25,060 --> 01:02:26,300 Nerdy and funny. 1085 01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:27,580 Mm hmm. Nice. 1086 01:02:27,580 --> 01:02:30,980 If you can't make me laugh, go home. 1087 01:02:30,980 --> 01:02:32,380 Yeah. All right. 1088 01:02:32,380 --> 01:02:35,140 Well, I know we got like off topic a little bit, 1089 01:02:35,140 --> 01:02:39,180 but since we are talking about polyamory, since. 1090 01:02:39,580 --> 01:02:41,180 Yeah. Yeah, no, it's relevant. 1091 01:02:41,180 --> 01:02:42,820 It's definitely relevant. 1092 01:02:42,820 --> 01:02:46,980 The movie tried to paint a more ethical looking polyamory story. 1093 01:02:46,980 --> 01:02:51,500 They did. If they if they told the real William Marston story, 1094 01:02:51,780 --> 01:02:55,860 people would probably be more turned off of his personality, 1095 01:02:55,860 --> 01:02:58,100 his personality and polyamory in general. 1096 01:02:58,580 --> 01:03:01,620 It like it puts a negative mark on it. 1097 01:03:01,620 --> 01:03:05,540 If you make it look like a polyamorous relationship 1098 01:03:05,660 --> 01:03:07,940 started off in a negative way. Yeah. 1099 01:03:08,140 --> 01:03:10,980 Even in a movie, because like everyone's saying that 1100 01:03:11,580 --> 01:03:14,060 people that don't know what polyamory even means, 1101 01:03:14,420 --> 01:03:17,140 people that don't don't even know that 1102 01:03:17,140 --> 01:03:20,980 dating in in throuples is a thing are going to see that. 1103 01:03:21,220 --> 01:03:23,580 Whereas in the movie. 1104 01:03:23,580 --> 01:03:28,900 Sadie was there for a long like along for the ride the whole time, it seemed like 1105 01:03:28,900 --> 01:03:33,420 and even he got her to admit that she was into all of. 1106 01:03:34,460 --> 01:03:37,860 Yeah. While testing the lie detector, you know, 1107 01:03:38,220 --> 01:03:41,180 they definitely went a different route with the movie. 1108 01:03:41,380 --> 01:03:45,220 Yeah, there's probably there's probably a hidden reason beyond that. 1109 01:03:45,220 --> 01:03:47,660 Hopefully, what I'm thinking is the reason. 1110 01:03:47,820 --> 01:03:51,860 Well, I mean, for for me, paint him in a better light. 1111 01:03:51,860 --> 01:03:55,620 Yeah, it's. If you look at the true story, 1112 01:03:56,260 --> 01:03:59,300 which take that with maybe a grain of salt, 1113 01:03:59,300 --> 01:04:04,500 because we're dependent on so much of like family stories or diaries. 1114 01:04:04,900 --> 01:04:09,220 So but from what we know to be the true story. 1115 01:04:10,820 --> 01:04:14,260 Versus what was actually made into a movie. 1116 01:04:15,020 --> 01:04:18,140 I mean, at the end of the day, it's a movie and they need to sell tickets 1117 01:04:18,140 --> 01:04:23,580 and it needs to be attractive and sexy and oh, yeah, they them being separated 1118 01:04:23,580 --> 01:04:27,660 would have made the movie harder to get to the point. 1119 01:04:28,300 --> 01:04:31,580 It kind of you kind of needed all characters to be there to quickly 1120 01:04:31,580 --> 01:04:35,740 tell that story in the however many minutes that it is. 1121 01:04:35,740 --> 01:04:37,820 I think it's like, what, two hours? 1122 01:04:37,820 --> 01:04:41,980 Yeah. So it makes sense that they changed some. 1123 01:04:43,340 --> 01:04:45,700 Things. Yeah. 1124 01:04:45,700 --> 01:04:48,620 Yeah. Talked about a little bit of William Marsden. 1125 01:04:48,620 --> 01:04:49,900 And that's cool. 1126 01:04:49,900 --> 01:04:51,380 I mean, that's it, guys. 1127 01:04:51,380 --> 01:04:53,820 I did. I think it's fucking. 1128 01:04:53,820 --> 01:04:54,740 Sound to close it out. 1129 01:04:54,740 --> 01:04:56,460 Yeah, I think we got enough content. 1130 01:04:56,460 --> 01:04:58,860 Yeah, we kind of talked about a lot there. 1131 01:05:00,300 --> 01:05:03,980 Yeah. Went over his. 1132 01:05:06,380 --> 01:05:10,980 Very strange introduction to his relationship with all of. 1133 01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:14,860 That was not what I was expecting. 1134 01:05:14,860 --> 01:05:18,220 Yeah, I again, I 1135 01:05:18,820 --> 01:05:23,500 in the beginning of the story, you know, coming from the movie to the to the book 1136 01:05:24,100 --> 01:05:28,900 and doing the research, I very much was like, oh, he's a he's a hero of mine. 1137 01:05:29,500 --> 01:05:32,020 This guy's this guy sounds great. He's a go getter. 1138 01:05:33,740 --> 01:05:35,780 He is submissive. 1139 01:05:35,900 --> 01:05:38,660 This shows that like submissive men like aren't weak. 1140 01:05:39,140 --> 01:05:41,300 We're not simps necessarily. 1141 01:05:41,300 --> 01:05:45,460 Like we can be like out there business leaders going and getting stuff done. 1142 01:05:45,460 --> 01:05:49,380 And this is just who we are on a different level. 1143 01:05:49,980 --> 01:05:51,260 And then like. 1144 01:05:51,740 --> 01:05:55,660 There is key points in this story such as that right there. 1145 01:05:55,660 --> 01:05:59,900 And then we just dropped where I'm just like, oh, yeah. 1146 01:05:59,900 --> 01:06:01,900 So he also did this. 1147 01:06:01,900 --> 01:06:02,900 Yeah. 1148 01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:09,780 Well, but that's also it's I think it's easy for us to try to put people 1149 01:06:09,780 --> 01:06:13,700 like in this hero status of like, oh, they could do no bad. 1150 01:06:13,700 --> 01:06:15,700 Like they could do no wrong. They're perfect. 1151 01:06:15,700 --> 01:06:18,140 He was human. He was very much human. 1152 01:06:19,260 --> 01:06:23,300 Yeah, just like the rest of us. So, you know, that's funny. 1153 01:06:23,580 --> 01:06:28,620 We started off the story and it started very like historical informational. 1154 01:06:28,940 --> 01:06:32,740 And now it's really starting to get like kinky and sexual. 1155 01:06:33,500 --> 01:06:38,740 We're just like really getting into the part of like finally Wonder Woman. 1156 01:06:38,740 --> 01:06:41,860 Wonder Woman, like the really good parts of Wonder Woman. 1157 01:06:42,380 --> 01:06:44,580 And we just kind of cut it off, right? 1158 01:06:44,900 --> 01:06:48,540 We're leaving you guys off on a spicy part. 1159 01:06:49,140 --> 01:06:55,220 Yeah. Next episode, we might actually get to see the birth of Wonder Woman. 1160 01:06:56,220 --> 01:06:57,620 Oh, the next William R. 1161 01:06:57,620 --> 01:07:00,700 Snip. So you all have to stay tuned for that because it's going to be good. 1162 01:07:00,860 --> 01:07:04,260 Yeah. So also don't forget to check out our discord. 1163 01:07:04,300 --> 01:07:06,180 And we also have a Patreon. 1164 01:07:06,180 --> 01:07:09,940 And don't forget that you can always buy us a coffee on Ko-fi 1165 01:07:10,420 --> 01:07:15,940 or also listen to the audio only version on Spotify, Google. 1166 01:07:17,300 --> 01:07:21,620 And all of your other favorite podcast streaming services everywhere. 1167 01:07:22,380 --> 01:07:26,460 If there's a place where the podcast is not, let us know. 1168 01:07:26,500 --> 01:07:28,340 Yeah, let us know, please. 1169 01:07:28,340 --> 01:07:30,260 Yeah, anyways, it was fun. 1170 01:07:30,260 --> 01:07:32,660 It was real until next time. 1171 01:07:32,660 --> 01:07:36,180 Nikki Sapphire, it's your girl, Jenny Banks, signing out. 1172 01:07:36,180 --> 01:07:38,580 Stay kinky. That's an order. 1173 01:07:38,580 --> 01:07:42,660 But make sure that you actually have communication in your relationships. 1174 01:07:42,660 --> 01:07:47,380 Don't force anyone into a poly relationship or a kinky relationship. 1175 01:07:48,180 --> 01:07:49,700 But in general, stay kinky. 1176 01:07:49,700 --> 01:07:52,100 Just keep it kinky. 1177 01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:54,420 We fucking keep doing this every week. 1178 01:07:54,420 --> 01:07:56,900 We are a natural to some and. 1179 01:07:56,900 --> 01:07:57,940 Look at this shirt. 1180 01:07:57,940 --> 01:08:00,500 Look at this shirt. 1181 01:08:00,500 --> 01:08:03,540 Look at the shirt that probably shouldn't be on YouTube. 1182 01:08:04,340 --> 01:08:09,300 Look at this shirt that this is going to be in part of the outro, probably. 1183 01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:11,780 But yeah, thanks for listening. 1184 01:08:11,780 --> 01:08:13,700 We are a natural to some. 1185 01:08:13,700 --> 01:08:31,620 Take care.