Episode 4: William Marston Pt3 - Dom or Sub?

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,320Disclaimer. This podcast features explicit language and discussions sexual in nature.200:00:04,320 --> 00:00:08,160It may contain subjects uncomfortable to some. Please understand that the opinions shared on300:00:08,160 --> 00:00:13,120this podcast are not a representation of any organization or employer the host may be a part of.400:00:23,600 --> 00:00:29,680How much money do you want the podcast to make before you call the podcast successful?500:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,840How much money can a podcast make if a podcast can make money?600:00:36,240 --> 00:00:41,200How much pods can a podcast cast if a podcast can cast pods?700:00:41,200 --> 00:00:41,520Three.800:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,200What is successful?900:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,760That's my question to you is how would you measure success? When would you be like,1000:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,520yeah, this is successful?1100:00:50,400 --> 00:00:56,560I think it wouldn't be really the money that we're making. It would be more of engagement.1200:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,280How many people are listening to what we're saying?1300:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,120As long as I'm surviving, I don't really care too much about money.1400:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,720Money can come and go?1500:01:06,720 --> 00:01:06,960Yeah.1600:01:08,240 --> 00:01:09,760But bitches are forever?1700:01:09,760 --> 00:01:10,880But bitches are forever.1800:01:12,320 --> 00:01:17,520So one thing I do have a question for you. I was watching this like Viking show.1900:01:18,160 --> 00:01:19,360Is it called Vikings?2000:01:20,000 --> 00:01:25,200I think it's Viking Vahala. No, no, Last Kingdom. Sorry, Last Kingdom.2100:01:25,200 --> 00:01:31,840Season one, there's an episode where the Vikings kill like a king's son or something,2200:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,680and they actually like ride his bloody horse.2300:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,160It's a white horse, but there's blood all over it,2400:01:38,160 --> 00:01:43,120rides it up to the front gates of the castle, pulls out the son's head,2500:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,400and then throws it like at the gate.2600:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,440Isn't that like a baptism of some sort?2700:01:49,440 --> 00:01:56,800I don't know, but I was wondering, do you think Vikings sat down and thought things like this2800:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,840through? Do you think they were like, hey, do you think this would be like middle as fuck if we2900:02:01,840 --> 00:02:07,520chop the dude's head off? We come riding in on his bloody horse, throw the head at the gate,3000:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,280we're like, fuck yeah, man.3100:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,160And then like, I don't know about that.3200:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,800And they're like, oh, well, if anything else fails, we'll bite the head off of the bat,3300:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,400maybe and throw that at them.3400:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,320Or do you think they just did it?3500:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,840They're like, why don't we just do it?3600:02:21,840 --> 00:02:28,480That's hard to tell because like I can imagine both scenarios where they're like all around a3700:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,040sand table and they're like, all right, so this is what we're going to do.3800:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,640I'm like, he's got a white horse, right?3900:02:32,640 --> 00:02:34,400Oh, this is going to be badass.4000:02:34,400 --> 00:02:35,360Yeah, we're going to get so many followers.4100:02:35,360 --> 00:02:41,440But at the same time, in the spirit of who they were as people, I can see them just fucking doing that.4200:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,720Yeah, like because they're Viking, it's a story about Vikings, I almost feel like it was written4300:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,120in history as like as that, you know, like it's just our heritage.4400:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,640This is just the way we live.4500:02:52,640 --> 00:02:55,360Yeah, I think you're I think your son lost this.4600:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,560I think he's I think he lost this.4700:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,480He didn't have it screwed on tight enough.4800:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,160We thought we would return it.4900:03:02,160 --> 00:03:03,280Welcome back, everybody.5000:03:03,280 --> 00:03:04,800We're unnatural to some.5100:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,200Today, we're going to be talking about William Marston again.5200:03:09,200 --> 00:03:18,000We're going to get back into part three of our series covering the life and sexual adventures5300:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,080of William Marston, right?5400:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,880Yeah, like the war.5500:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,120We're going to be covering the lore of this guy, the lore of William Marston.5600:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,400And I know I know what everybody's wondering about.5700:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,960And, Jay, I really want to know what your opinion is on all of this.5800:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,120Was William a bottom? Right.5900:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,320He was a bottom, right?6000:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,560I mean, or like was he looking at the sub?6100:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,640I think he was a sub, so maybe he was the bottom.6200:03:46,640 --> 00:03:52,240Like he created Wonder Woman, this very clearly dumb.6300:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,000She's a dumb.6400:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,480So, first of all, I will say Williams, a bottom.6500:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,880You you have to roll a tenor higher for me to answer your question.6600:04:02,880 --> 00:04:09,440Oh, shit. Oh, I don't know.6700:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,200It doesn't count to answer your question.6800:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,440We actually get into it.6900:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,480We might get into it on this episode.7000:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,400Oh, really?7100:04:18,400 --> 00:04:18,880I don't know.7200:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,400Should I give like spoilers?7300:04:20,400 --> 00:04:21,680I don't know.7400:04:21,680 --> 00:04:22,880He was a go getter.7500:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,680He set out like anything he went out to do.7600:04:25,680 --> 00:04:26,480He did.7700:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,960So he was a take charge kind of guy.7800:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,160So he was a take charge kind of guy.7900:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,400He didn't, you know, create Wonder Woman.8000:04:34,400 --> 00:04:35,440Total sub bottom.8100:04:36,560 --> 00:04:37,360Total sub.8200:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,040I don't need to hear anymore.8300:04:39,040 --> 00:04:44,800So what what is it with sub bottoms?8400:04:44,800 --> 00:04:45,920Like, what is the.8500:04:47,680 --> 00:04:48,320Why?8600:04:48,320 --> 00:04:49,360Why does it matter?8700:04:50,080 --> 00:04:50,480Huh?8800:04:50,480 --> 00:04:50,720Why?8900:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,560Why does it matter if there's a difference?9000:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,720There's a difference between a sub top and a sub bottle.9100:04:56,720 --> 00:04:57,220Yeah.9200:04:57,220 --> 00:04:59,700So why does it matter?9300:04:59,700 --> 00:05:02,260Oh, I mean, why does what matter?9400:05:02,260 --> 00:05:02,980Why does it matter?9500:05:03,700 --> 00:05:04,500Who he was?9600:05:04,500 --> 00:05:05,700Nobody's how he was.9700:05:06,340 --> 00:05:08,420Oh, I just want to.9800:05:08,420 --> 00:05:09,380Yeah, I'm just curious.9900:05:09,380 --> 00:05:12,020Are you like shaming bottoms?10000:05:12,020 --> 00:05:15,780Oh, no, I'm only into shaming if that's what they're into.10100:05:15,780 --> 00:05:19,140I just want to put a creative imagination in my head of William10200:05:19,140 --> 00:05:21,540Marsden instead of just being a regular old guy.10300:05:21,540 --> 00:05:24,660I kind of want to see him as this kinky guy that like,10400:05:24,660 --> 00:05:26,580you know, gets down in private.10500:05:26,580 --> 00:05:29,060Like, you know, he's he's submissive.10600:05:29,060 --> 00:05:29,560He.10700:05:32,020 --> 00:05:33,380Like Stomnet woman.10800:05:33,380 --> 00:05:38,180Yeah, all everything that I've taken from him, everything that I've learned about him.10900:05:38,180 --> 00:05:40,900I'm like, yeah, he totally likes being tied up.11000:05:41,860 --> 00:05:42,340Yeah.11100:05:42,340 --> 00:05:44,580What did we leave off with William Marsden?11200:05:44,580 --> 00:05:51,460I remember we brought up the third member of their poly amorous relationship, actually,11300:05:51,460 --> 00:05:52,260which was.11400:05:52,260 --> 00:05:53,060Yeah, I think we were.11500:05:53,060 --> 00:05:58,180We were in getting into his college life, right?11600:05:58,180 --> 00:06:00,260Or we already talked to we talked about his college.11700:06:00,260 --> 00:06:02,900We were getting into his life as a professor.11800:06:03,700 --> 00:06:08,660I believe his love life and his life as a professor is more complex side of his love life.11900:06:08,660 --> 00:06:11,220Probably where the movie, I think, picks up.12000:06:11,220 --> 00:06:11,780Yep. Right.12100:06:13,060 --> 00:06:17,700Yes. I do also believe that we were talking about Olive.12200:06:17,700 --> 00:06:22,500Yeah, more specifically about all of them were getting more into detail about her as a person.12300:06:22,500 --> 00:06:23,000Yeah.12400:06:24,100 --> 00:06:26,580So it's let's dive back into it.12500:06:26,580 --> 00:06:26,900Yeah.12600:06:26,900 --> 00:06:28,100Yes, yes, yes, yes.12700:06:28,740 --> 00:06:29,620More, more, more.12800:06:30,660 --> 00:06:37,220So in 1922, Olive actually spent the summer with her mother and Cape Cod.12900:06:39,860 --> 00:06:44,180Which is actually it was a safe haven for, quote, homosexuals.13000:06:46,180 --> 00:06:48,500I wonder if it's still a safe haven today.13100:06:48,500 --> 00:06:52,580I don't hear much about things from Cape Cod.13200:06:52,580 --> 00:06:53,220Yeah.13300:06:53,220 --> 00:06:54,580Do things still happen there?13400:06:54,580 --> 00:06:57,140Well, it's all the way in the East Coast where we are on the West Coast.13500:06:57,140 --> 00:06:58,100Oh, yeah, that's right.13600:06:58,100 --> 00:06:59,940It's not like we're going to hear a lot of East Coast.13700:06:59,940 --> 00:07:01,860They're already asleep by the time we wake up.13800:07:01,860 --> 00:07:02,420It makes sense.13900:07:03,940 --> 00:07:05,060No, what's going on there?14000:07:05,060 --> 00:07:06,820What time do you guys wake up?14100:07:07,940 --> 00:07:08,820I'm pretty early.14200:07:10,580 --> 00:07:11,540We're early risers.14300:07:12,100 --> 00:07:13,380Something that's really interesting.14400:07:14,020 --> 00:07:17,060I feel like I say that way too often.14500:07:17,060 --> 00:07:18,340Something that's really interesting.14600:07:19,460 --> 00:07:19,860I don't know.14700:07:21,060 --> 00:07:21,860Is it interesting?14800:07:22,660 --> 00:07:26,900I think it's just that we talk about a lot of topics that are interesting.14900:07:26,900 --> 00:07:31,060It's also hard because I take notes on the things that I find interesting.15000:07:31,860 --> 00:07:35,060So it's everything is like something that's interesting.15100:07:35,060 --> 00:07:36,020It's pretty interesting.15200:07:36,020 --> 00:07:38,980We can find the other words.15300:07:38,980 --> 00:07:39,220Yeah.15400:07:40,500 --> 00:07:46,020Since, since, siminins, cinnamon, cinnamons.15500:07:46,020 --> 00:07:47,540Anteans.15600:07:47,540 --> 00:07:48,660So getting back into it.15700:07:50,020 --> 00:07:56,900So something to note here is that her mother and her aunt,15800:07:58,340 --> 00:08:09,620Ethel and Margaret Sanger, Sanger, sorry, history, is they believed in sex outside of marriage.15900:08:10,180 --> 00:08:13,460They actually believe that marriage was a form of oppression.16000:08:13,460 --> 00:08:15,300Specifically sexual oppression.16100:08:16,100 --> 00:08:16,580How so?16200:08:17,300 --> 00:08:25,140So basically, you know, kind of people would get married very young and then you're supposed16300:08:25,140 --> 00:08:26,420to be loyal to that person.16400:08:26,420 --> 00:08:28,340You're supposed to be tied down to that person.16500:08:28,820 --> 00:08:30,980That's the only person you're supposed to have sex with.16600:08:31,780 --> 00:08:38,900Also keep in mind at the time, sex for pleasure was not a thing.16700:08:38,900 --> 00:08:43,700You were supposed to specifically like have sex to reproduce.16800:08:44,420 --> 00:08:44,580So.16900:08:45,300 --> 00:08:45,940What a time.17000:08:47,460 --> 00:08:47,700Yeah.17100:08:47,700 --> 00:08:54,340So in a way, like marriage was oppression, like sexual oppression.17200:08:55,220 --> 00:08:57,460Because you were expected to do that.17300:08:58,020 --> 00:08:58,500Yeah.17400:08:58,500 --> 00:09:04,180Society wise, you were considered an unsuccessful woman if you were over a certain age and not17500:09:04,180 --> 00:09:06,020married and having children yet.17600:09:06,020 --> 00:09:06,260Right.17700:09:06,260 --> 00:09:10,660Right, which is actually very interesting because we see that today.17800:09:11,300 --> 00:09:12,340There's a lot.17900:09:12,340 --> 00:09:12,580Yes.18000:09:12,580 --> 00:09:20,020There's a huge movement of, you know, people not having children that are our age, that18100:09:20,020 --> 00:09:20,980are married.18200:09:20,980 --> 00:09:22,580They do not want to have children.18300:09:22,580 --> 00:09:27,220However, them getting like pressured by their family, like when are you going to have kids?18400:09:27,220 --> 00:09:28,180Why don't you have kids?18500:09:30,180 --> 00:09:31,540When am I getting grandchildren?18600:09:31,540 --> 00:09:36,980When you're going to make me grandchildren, it's like, maybe I don't want to make kids.18700:09:36,980 --> 00:09:40,500Like, maybe I don't want to bring them into a world like this.18800:09:41,300 --> 00:09:41,860Yeah.18900:09:41,860 --> 00:09:44,100World's resources are only so limited.19000:09:44,100 --> 00:09:45,460Like, we can't.19100:09:46,580 --> 00:09:49,300We can't draw out oil out of the earth forever.19200:09:49,300 --> 00:09:50,100You know, we can't.19300:09:51,140 --> 00:09:52,260Unless you need plastic.19400:09:52,260 --> 00:09:53,700Chop down trees forever.19500:09:53,700 --> 00:09:54,500Tons of plastic.19600:09:55,460 --> 00:09:58,980I think Jenny was about to like go on like a Thanos rant.19700:09:58,980 --> 00:10:00,420Thanos rant.19800:10:00,420 --> 00:10:02,500We might as well just repurge the planet.19900:10:02,500 --> 00:10:03,700Just purge the planet.20000:10:03,700 --> 00:10:04,260Just half.20100:10:04,260 --> 00:10:04,900Only half.20200:10:04,900 --> 00:10:05,540Only half.20300:10:05,540 --> 00:10:06,260Only half.20400:10:06,260 --> 00:10:07,140Well, half the planet.20500:10:08,340 --> 00:10:10,420But no, we see this today.20600:10:10,420 --> 00:10:12,100You're supposed to go to high school.20700:10:12,100 --> 00:10:14,980When you get out of high school, school, you're supposed to go to college.20800:10:14,980 --> 00:10:16,260You're supposed to get married.20900:10:16,260 --> 00:10:17,780You're supposed to buy a house.21000:10:17,780 --> 00:10:19,380You're supposed to have children.21100:10:20,340 --> 00:10:21,140And then when you.21200:10:21,140 --> 00:10:22,420And then repeat the cycle.21300:10:22,420 --> 00:10:25,380When you don't do that, you know, there's a lot of questions typically.21400:10:25,380 --> 00:10:26,420Why aren't you doing that?21500:10:26,420 --> 00:10:26,900So.21600:10:26,900 --> 00:10:29,300Yeah.21700:10:29,300 --> 00:10:29,860Yeah.21800:10:31,220 --> 00:10:32,180William Marston.21900:10:35,540 --> 00:10:37,060Definitely a bottom.22000:10:39,620 --> 00:10:43,300What is up with the bottom questions today?22100:10:45,620 --> 00:10:46,980We talk a lot about bottoms.22200:10:49,540 --> 00:10:50,740Soapy bottoms.22300:10:54,100 --> 00:10:55,300There's nothing more to say.22400:10:55,300 --> 00:10:58,500There's nothing better than a soapy bottom.22500:10:58,500 --> 00:11:00,180I like a soapy bottom.22600:11:00,180 --> 00:11:00,660What?22700:11:00,660 --> 00:11:04,500A soft core, soaped up butts like from a PG-13 camp movie.22800:11:04,500 --> 00:11:05,780I can't get enough of it.22900:11:05,780 --> 00:11:07,060Drives me wild.23000:11:07,060 --> 00:11:08,580OK, let's talk about something else.23100:11:08,580 --> 00:11:12,020OK, so back to Margaret and Ethel.23200:11:12,900 --> 00:11:13,220Yes.23300:11:13,220 --> 00:11:19,620So even though her aunt would remarry a millionaire in 1922.23400:11:20,180 --> 00:11:21,060Oh, how convenient.23500:11:21,060 --> 00:11:23,620Like a billionaire nowadays or a trillionaire.23600:11:23,620 --> 00:11:25,940So someone was born in a castle.23700:11:26,900 --> 00:11:28,740And someone else is married to a billionaire.23800:11:29,700 --> 00:11:31,860There seems to be a pattern in the story.23900:11:34,020 --> 00:11:34,520However.24000:11:36,100 --> 00:11:38,740She would keep it a secret for over a year.24100:11:39,540 --> 00:11:40,500Oh, wow.24200:11:40,500 --> 00:11:41,000Why?24300:11:41,460 --> 00:11:47,700So based on my research, it was most likely to help fund her birth control movement.24400:11:49,140 --> 00:11:50,660And I say that in regards of.24500:11:50,660 --> 00:11:56,900If you're married to a millionaire, why would you need funds?24600:11:57,700 --> 00:11:59,460Like, why would you need donations?24700:11:59,460 --> 00:12:01,700Like, why not just like have your husband pay for it?24800:12:02,980 --> 00:12:03,460Sure.24900:12:03,460 --> 00:12:04,020Right.25000:12:04,020 --> 00:12:07,620So I think it also kind of paints like a different picture.25100:12:08,340 --> 00:12:08,820Right.25200:12:08,820 --> 00:12:16,980Like someone from high society, you know, kind of like fighting for a cause versus someone25300:12:16,980 --> 00:12:25,300that's like trying to very much be the average, everyday person fighting for women's rights.25400:12:25,300 --> 00:12:27,300It I think it hits differently.25500:12:28,180 --> 00:12:33,220Oh, so she was afraid of having a public image of being married into money.25600:12:35,300 --> 00:12:35,800Right.25700:12:36,340 --> 00:12:38,100Like, so imagine this.25800:12:39,380 --> 00:12:41,620Two, two different politicians.25900:12:41,620 --> 00:12:42,120Yeah.26000:12:42,900 --> 00:12:44,180One politician.26100:12:44,180 --> 00:12:49,460So something that's a very hot topic today, affordable housing.26200:12:50,580 --> 00:12:57,220So if what, if one, one politicians yelling about affordable housing, trying to get.26300:12:58,100 --> 00:13:04,180More options on the market, trying to fundraise, get money for programs, get grants for programs.26400:13:05,300 --> 00:13:08,100So let's say, sorry, let's say both of them are doing that.26500:13:08,660 --> 00:13:09,700One politician.26600:13:11,140 --> 00:13:12,340You find a lot of money.26700:13:12,340 --> 00:13:17,300One you find out came from a very.26800:13:18,900 --> 00:13:23,780Poor background was homeless, struggled to find affordable housing.26900:13:23,780 --> 00:13:25,220Now he's in Congress.27000:13:25,220 --> 00:13:26,020He's fighting.27100:13:26,020 --> 00:13:33,940He's yelling for affordable housing versus someone who is a millionaire.27200:13:35,060 --> 00:13:40,340Screaming about affordable housing, which one I think hits harder.27300:13:40,340 --> 00:13:44,500I mean, it sounds like, you know, obviously the person with that background27400:13:44,500 --> 00:13:49,540cares more about that cause because they, they got to where they're at now.27500:13:51,300 --> 00:13:52,180From the beginning.27600:13:52,180 --> 00:13:52,680Yeah.27700:13:53,060 --> 00:13:54,660Of dealing with that problem versus.27800:13:55,700 --> 00:14:01,060You know, someone who's lived a life of luxury being like, yeah, I care about poor people.27900:14:02,180 --> 00:14:03,860Yeah, it becomes very political.28000:14:03,860 --> 00:14:08,340Like, oh, you're just choosing a hot topic because you know, people you're trying to get reelected.28100:14:08,340 --> 00:14:17,860And this is my like personal opinion from the research that I did, but I do feel like maybe she28200:14:17,860 --> 00:14:24,100did think that it was going to help her public image if everyone all of a sudden knew that she was28300:14:24,900 --> 00:14:26,900this very wealthy, like millionaire.28400:14:28,500 --> 00:14:30,100That's just personally my opinion.28500:14:30,980 --> 00:14:32,500So she kept it hidden.28600:14:33,140 --> 00:14:33,640Right.28700:14:34,020 --> 00:14:38,260However, her new husband is the president.28800:14:38,260 --> 00:14:44,500The person that paid for all of his college tuition at Tufts university.28900:14:47,460 --> 00:14:47,960Nice.29000:14:48,580 --> 00:14:49,080Very nice.29100:14:49,620 --> 00:14:50,500So pay pig.29200:14:55,380 --> 00:14:56,020Oh gosh.29300:14:56,900 --> 00:14:59,780I don't think they had the term pay pig back then.29400:15:01,060 --> 00:15:02,340Maybe I don't know.29500:15:04,340 --> 00:15:05,380He's a pay pig.29600:15:05,380 --> 00:15:13,220Anyways, so in her freshman year of college, by the way, she was an English major.29700:15:14,660 --> 00:15:15,620She started school.29800:15:16,500 --> 00:15:19,940She was already two months behind in her semester.29900:15:19,940 --> 00:15:23,860So it was kind of, she was struggling right from the gate.30000:15:25,060 --> 00:15:30,340She didn't really do that well grade wise in college.30100:15:30,980 --> 00:15:33,140She was in the glee club.30200:15:33,140 --> 00:15:37,060She was on the newspaper staff for the college.30300:15:38,100 --> 00:15:40,500She was chairman of the social committee.30400:15:41,140 --> 00:15:42,420She played basketball.30500:15:44,100 --> 00:15:47,220She landed a leading role in the opera.30600:15:48,900 --> 00:15:55,060And she was a member of Alpha Omega cron phi sorority.30700:15:56,100 --> 00:15:56,660So hold up.30800:15:56,660 --> 00:15:57,620She sang opera.30900:15:58,340 --> 00:15:58,840Yes.31000:15:59,300 --> 00:16:00,020She has a very.31100:16:00,020 --> 00:16:04,340And she created the Tufts liberal club.31200:16:06,340 --> 00:16:09,780So she did a lot of extra activities.31300:16:09,780 --> 00:16:10,900Extra curriculars.31400:16:10,900 --> 00:16:11,400Yes.31500:16:12,020 --> 00:16:15,300She did a lot of extracurricular activities.31600:16:15,300 --> 00:16:16,260Correct.31700:16:16,260 --> 00:16:20,100Now keep in mind though, this was a different time.31800:16:20,100 --> 00:16:20,600Yeah.31900:16:20,980 --> 00:16:23,860You know, 1920s, you're not watching TV.32000:16:23,860 --> 00:16:27,620Yeah, you're expected to be pretty well rounded and busy.32100:16:27,620 --> 00:16:28,120Yeah.32200:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,300What else are you going to do?32300:16:30,300 --> 00:16:31,100Listen to the radio.32400:16:31,100 --> 00:16:35,900Yeah, you couldn't play the new Zelda game.32500:16:35,900 --> 00:16:39,100You had to go outside.32600:16:39,100 --> 00:16:42,460No, I know what you did.32700:16:42,460 --> 00:16:44,060Read Wonder Woman comics.32800:16:44,060 --> 00:16:45,100Wasn't out yet.32900:16:45,100 --> 00:16:46,700Oh, read comics.33000:16:47,340 --> 00:16:48,140Wasn't out yet.33100:16:48,140 --> 00:16:48,780Paper mache.33200:16:50,460 --> 00:16:51,420Maybe crocheting.33300:16:52,540 --> 00:16:53,040Knitting.33400:16:53,540 --> 00:16:54,040Yeah.33500:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,040And just getting kinky.33600:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,560No, I'm kidding.33700:17:00,600 --> 00:17:01,960Getting plain old kinky.33800:17:04,680 --> 00:17:09,800So needless to say, she ended her freshman year on academic probation.33900:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,040Her grades would come up.34000:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,160She would do better.34100:17:14,440 --> 00:17:19,000Something to note here, her sophomore year, she actually invited her aunt to come and34200:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,360speak as a guest for the liberal club.34300:17:22,360 --> 00:17:25,000However, the college refused to let her on campus.34400:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,160We talked about this, I believe, in the very first episode34500:17:29,160 --> 00:17:35,800about how college campuses were trying to keep women from talking and fighting,34600:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,720basically trying to silence them.34700:17:37,720 --> 00:17:38,200Yeah.34800:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,920Yeah, they weren't allowed to talk on campus or something, like speak publicly on campus.34900:17:42,920 --> 00:17:47,480And it seemed like a lot of students, men included, males included, were against that.35000:17:47,480 --> 00:17:48,280They were like, fuck that.35100:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,120We're going to talk.35200:17:50,120 --> 00:17:51,400We're going to protest.35300:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,400And we're going to have whatever speakers we want.35400:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,320No, we're not going to take it.35500:18:07,720 --> 00:18:08,760We're not going to take it anymore.35600:18:09,640 --> 00:18:17,160She was voted the wittiest, cleverest, and most distinctive student of class of 1926.35700:18:18,360 --> 00:18:18,860Wow.35800:18:18,860 --> 00:18:22,060She's very prestigious in her own right.35900:18:23,980 --> 00:18:24,480Yeah.36000:18:25,100 --> 00:18:28,620As far as like academic background, she sang opera.36100:18:29,180 --> 00:18:30,060Yeah, that's pretty cool.36200:18:30,940 --> 00:18:37,340I mean, like, how many people do you know today that was depicted in the movie to name36300:18:37,340 --> 00:18:41,500a person that you've met that says like, yeah, I sing opera.36400:18:42,300 --> 00:18:42,800Yeah.36500:18:43,580 --> 00:18:44,620No, very funny.36600:18:45,260 --> 00:18:46,780Really? You know somebody.36700:18:46,780 --> 00:18:55,180So the first day of the Seattle Erotic Art Festival that we recently covered.36800:18:56,860 --> 00:18:58,220That was last week.36900:18:58,220 --> 00:18:59,900Yes, last week's episode.37000:19:02,940 --> 00:19:08,940The Seattle Opera was right next door to the Seattle Erotic Art Festival.37100:19:08,940 --> 00:19:12,300No, it was a little confusing.37200:19:12,300 --> 00:19:17,020It was actually the opera was in the same building that the GSBA Impact Awards were in37300:19:17,020 --> 00:19:17,900that we went to.37400:19:17,900 --> 00:19:19,420Oh, yeah, that was really nice.37500:19:19,420 --> 00:19:24,140And I actually went there first and they're like, oh, no, this is the opera.37600:19:25,500 --> 00:19:28,700Imagine if you wear like a GIMP suit.37700:19:28,700 --> 00:19:29,820Fancy like that.37800:19:29,820 --> 00:19:30,300Kind of.37900:19:30,300 --> 00:19:32,860And then they were like, that is over there.38000:19:32,860 --> 00:19:36,940They poured into like the building right next door.38100:19:36,940 --> 00:19:39,740Go enjoy your garbage show over there.38200:19:39,740 --> 00:19:40,780And I was like, OK, I will.38300:19:40,780 --> 00:19:41,500I will.38400:19:41,500 --> 00:19:43,500Go enjoy your garbage.38500:19:43,500 --> 00:19:44,940I'm going to enjoy it so much.38600:19:44,940 --> 00:19:47,420As he like snarfed down a snail.38700:19:48,140 --> 00:19:50,380Now, they were really cool.38800:19:51,340 --> 00:19:53,420They were kind of confused of what I was talking about.38900:19:53,420 --> 00:19:55,580But then when I showed them, they're like, oh, that's over there.39000:19:55,580 --> 00:19:56,860They're doing what over there?39100:19:58,460 --> 00:20:00,140They're doing what kind of stuff over there?39200:20:00,140 --> 00:20:00,620I did.39300:20:00,620 --> 00:20:05,580I was like at first I was a little intimidated because I was like, wow, I am way underdressed here.39400:20:06,700 --> 00:20:08,940Everyone's wearing like suits and ties.39500:20:08,940 --> 00:20:10,140I was not picturing this.39600:20:10,140 --> 00:20:12,700So you were kind of relieved to find out that that wasn't the event.39700:20:12,700 --> 00:20:14,300Yeah, I was like, OK, cool.39800:20:15,420 --> 00:20:16,220I like that.39900:20:16,220 --> 00:20:17,020This is better.40000:20:17,020 --> 00:20:18,060This is a lot better.40100:20:18,060 --> 00:20:18,460OK.40200:20:18,460 --> 00:20:19,020I love that.40300:20:19,020 --> 00:20:19,580That's funny.40400:20:20,620 --> 00:20:21,120All right.40500:20:22,380 --> 00:20:27,980So in the fall of 1925, what happens?40600:20:28,620 --> 00:20:32,300William Marston arrives at Tufts University.40700:20:32,300 --> 00:20:34,780And we talked about this in a previous episode.40800:20:34,780 --> 00:20:37,420He always has like the right timing for everything.40900:20:37,420 --> 00:20:38,220Yes.41000:20:38,220 --> 00:20:38,620Really?41100:20:38,620 --> 00:20:39,340Seriously?41200:20:39,340 --> 00:20:45,100Now, what's very interesting is he arrives as a assistant professor.41300:20:45,100 --> 00:20:45,900And I want to.41400:20:48,540 --> 00:20:49,180Assistant.41500:20:50,780 --> 00:20:53,340He's an assistant professor.41600:20:54,220 --> 00:20:55,020William is?41700:20:55,020 --> 00:20:56,060He went from.41800:20:56,060 --> 00:21:03,580Yes, he went from Harvard to teaching at American University.41900:21:03,580 --> 00:21:08,380And then and also being on the psychology board.42000:21:10,380 --> 00:21:18,060So he went from all that to teaching at Tufts University as an assistant professor.42100:21:19,500 --> 00:21:20,300Why?42200:21:21,740 --> 00:21:23,740So this is a this is a huge.42300:21:23,740 --> 00:21:24,860Yeah, he sounds.42400:21:24,860 --> 00:21:28,620Yeah, because he had like a really good job and really good career.42500:21:29,100 --> 00:21:32,540And I think that part was actually present represented in the movie.42600:21:32,540 --> 00:21:33,740It was.42700:21:33,740 --> 00:21:34,140It was.42800:21:34,140 --> 00:21:35,740We know something happened.42900:21:36,620 --> 00:21:38,780We don't specifically know.43000:21:38,780 --> 00:21:44,140So, for instance, we know he was fired from American University after he was arrested43100:21:44,140 --> 00:21:45,820in charge with fraud.43200:21:45,820 --> 00:21:47,580However, all charges were dropped.43300:21:48,860 --> 00:21:55,100We do know, for instance, Sadie did not follow him to Massachusetts.43400:21:55,100 --> 00:21:58,940She took a job in New York instead for a psychology journal.43500:21:58,940 --> 00:22:02,620So you're talking about kind of a newlywed company or.43600:22:03,660 --> 00:22:07,740They're freshly together and they go on separate paths.43700:22:07,740 --> 00:22:13,260He was doing very well academically in his career and then takes a huge demotion.43800:22:13,260 --> 00:22:16,460And then she also changes careers.43900:22:17,580 --> 00:22:25,180She she takes a I think this might be her first job out of college.44000:22:25,180 --> 00:22:26,460I'm not entirely sure.44100:22:26,460 --> 00:22:30,140But the fact is, you know, and Sadie.44200:22:31,020 --> 00:22:33,660Sadie is not your typical woman at all.44300:22:33,660 --> 00:22:40,060Keep in mind, it's very much rumored that Wonder Woman is kind of based off of Sadie.44400:22:40,060 --> 00:22:43,500So she is a very strong, independent woman.44500:22:43,500 --> 00:22:48,060And we'll kind of get into that a little bit later, but she wanted to focus on her career.44600:22:48,780 --> 00:22:51,820She didn't want anything to hinder her career at all.44700:22:51,820 --> 00:22:59,820However, it is a little odd that you're going to take a job in a different state from your husband.44800:22:59,820 --> 00:23:00,620All together.44900:23:00,620 --> 00:23:03,260Yes, newly husband.45000:23:04,060 --> 00:23:10,140And also at the same time, your husband got arrested for fraud, but all charges were dropped,45100:23:10,140 --> 00:23:19,260got fired from a university and is no longer on a psychology board and also is now an assistant professor.45200:23:19,260 --> 00:23:21,340I mean, the major happened there.45300:23:21,340 --> 00:23:30,380Well, that and I believe a lot of a lot of women's success at the time was also framed around how successful their husband was.45400:23:31,260 --> 00:23:32,060Correct.45500:23:33,180 --> 00:23:33,660Yes.45600:23:34,940 --> 00:23:39,580Now, something that I can't say for sure.45700:23:40,300 --> 00:23:41,340This is what happened.45800:23:41,340 --> 00:23:47,260But looking at like timeline of events, keep in mind, this is 1925.45900:23:47,260 --> 00:23:54,860Yes, 1925 and 1923, he published a book.46000:23:57,180 --> 00:24:01,180OK, so this is always that the book on this theory?46100:24:01,180 --> 00:24:02,620No, not yet.46200:24:02,620 --> 00:24:03,420Oh, yeah.46300:24:03,420 --> 00:24:07,660But he published a book on or sorry, not a book.46400:24:08,220 --> 00:24:10,780He published an article about sex.46500:24:11,340 --> 00:24:11,900Oh, boy.46600:24:12,940 --> 00:24:16,620Oh, I probably said this may have been the catalyst.46700:24:16,620 --> 00:24:17,020Yeah.46800:24:17,020 --> 00:24:21,180Now, keep in mind, you know, psychology there.46900:24:22,540 --> 00:24:22,860You know.47000:24:24,220 --> 00:24:29,100A lot of psychologists in this time period are obsessed with talking about sex.47100:24:29,100 --> 00:24:33,420I mean, you had Sigmund Freud.47200:24:33,420 --> 00:24:37,180Yeah, that guy who everything was sex to him.47300:24:37,180 --> 00:24:42,140Every every, you know, sex could be explained for every single thing.47400:24:42,140 --> 00:24:43,180In a suddenly.47500:24:43,180 --> 00:24:46,220Yeah, he talked about sex with how many different family members?47600:24:46,220 --> 00:24:48,140Oh, like all of them.47700:24:48,140 --> 00:24:48,380Yeah.47800:24:48,380 --> 00:24:48,780Yeah.47900:24:48,780 --> 00:24:49,500Oh, my God.48000:24:49,500 --> 00:24:50,140Yeah, that guy.48100:24:51,420 --> 00:24:53,340So that that one.48200:24:53,340 --> 00:24:58,540But I kind of I kind of feel like maybe his article didn't go so well48300:24:58,540 --> 00:25:02,540and he started kind of getting maybe knocked down a little bit48400:25:03,180 --> 00:25:06,540on his kind of academic ladder.48500:25:06,540 --> 00:25:09,820Also, getting arrested doesn't help, even though the charges were dropped.48600:25:09,820 --> 00:25:12,780But it looks bad.48700:25:12,780 --> 00:25:13,740It looks bad.48800:25:13,740 --> 00:25:13,980Yeah.48900:25:13,980 --> 00:25:15,180Professional career does.49000:25:15,180 --> 00:25:18,380And I could see people back then being hyper judgmental of,49100:25:19,100 --> 00:25:20,380you were accused of that.49200:25:21,100 --> 00:25:23,020Yeah, but all the drops, all charges were dropped.49300:25:23,020 --> 00:25:24,940Yeah, but you were accused of that.49400:25:24,940 --> 00:25:25,180Yeah.49500:25:26,860 --> 00:25:28,300You know, now.49600:25:30,460 --> 00:25:32,060We don't specifically know.49700:25:32,060 --> 00:25:35,660I kind of feel like maybe it was a it was a few different things.49800:25:36,300 --> 00:25:40,540So we don't specifically know, but I feel like maybe it was a few different things49900:25:40,540 --> 00:25:47,100of, you know, the article, maybe some other things. What we do know is what happens50000:25:47,100 --> 00:25:50,220at Tufts. And I think maybe that can kind of be a clue.50100:25:50,940 --> 00:25:59,820So at Tufts University, Olive took experimental psychology with William Marston in 1925.50200:26:00,380 --> 00:26:04,540And besides gym class, it was her only a.50300:26:06,140 --> 00:26:06,640Interesting.50400:26:07,500 --> 00:26:09,420Oh, that's very interesting.50500:26:09,420 --> 00:26:09,920Interesting.50600:26:10,300 --> 00:26:17,740In fact, she also took applied psychology, abnormal psychology and a research seminar50700:26:17,740 --> 00:26:22,540meant for grad level students. And she got all A's in them as well.50800:26:23,180 --> 00:26:25,900So she's taking classes that she's not supposed to take,50900:26:26,540 --> 00:26:30,780but she's getting her professor's approval to take them.51000:26:30,780 --> 00:26:33,500She's making A's on all of these classes.51100:26:33,500 --> 00:26:35,180She's an English major.51200:26:35,180 --> 00:26:40,140She's not making A's in like English classes. I don't know.51300:26:41,100 --> 00:26:43,500Sounds like kind of like a little bit of favoritism.51400:26:43,500 --> 00:26:44,780Something's happening here.51500:26:45,340 --> 00:26:52,140Adding to the level of some sort of unprofessional level here.51600:26:52,940 --> 00:26:55,820William Marston hires her as a research assistant.51700:26:58,860 --> 00:27:00,540Kind of questionable move to do.51800:27:00,540 --> 00:27:05,580But what was he researching?51900:27:07,340 --> 00:27:10,940Well, that's a good question.52000:27:10,940 --> 00:27:12,140What was he researching?52100:27:12,140 --> 00:27:14,460How the human body responds to lying.52200:27:16,060 --> 00:27:23,500So that would be actually a very appropriate guess.52300:27:25,180 --> 00:27:28,380And I could see why you would why you would guess that.52400:27:28,380 --> 00:27:30,780I'm wrong.52500:27:32,380 --> 00:27:33,020Yes.52600:27:33,020 --> 00:27:33,340Damn.52700:27:35,260 --> 00:27:36,300What was he researching?52800:27:37,180 --> 00:27:38,060Studying.52900:27:38,060 --> 00:27:38,540Drum roll.53000:27:40,860 --> 00:27:45,660How girls named Olive fall for their college professors.53100:27:45,660 --> 00:27:46,220No, I'm kidding.53200:27:48,540 --> 00:27:49,340She's like, how?53300:27:51,020 --> 00:27:51,500Tell me.53400:27:51,500 --> 00:28:01,100No, so he was researching how women felt tying up and beating other women.53500:28:03,100 --> 00:28:04,460Was that for a college credit?53600:28:05,420 --> 00:28:08,940Did they represent that in the movie very accurately?53700:28:08,940 --> 00:28:12,940Because I know that they were at a certain point, you see that that53800:28:14,380 --> 00:28:17,100the one scene where all of this doing her53900:28:17,100 --> 00:28:23,260initiation, her sorority initiation, it's very like it looks very kinky.54000:28:23,260 --> 00:28:24,780So that's what we're getting into.54100:28:24,780 --> 00:28:24,940Yeah.54200:28:24,940 --> 00:28:26,220Was that him studying?54300:28:26,940 --> 00:28:29,420Because it doesn't really clarify that in the movie.54400:28:29,420 --> 00:28:32,940So very key difference here.54500:28:32,940 --> 00:28:37,180If you recall in the movie, William Marston was with his wife54600:28:37,180 --> 00:28:38,380and he like sticks his wife.54700:28:38,380 --> 00:28:40,620Yeah, that totally did not happen in real life.54800:28:40,620 --> 00:28:42,620His wife was in New York.54900:28:42,620 --> 00:28:43,120Yeah.55000:28:43,660 --> 00:28:44,860Oh, yeah.55100:28:44,860 --> 00:28:50,460Wow, so this goes way off course of what I remember from the movie.55200:28:50,460 --> 00:28:50,940Well, yeah.55300:28:51,660 --> 00:28:52,300Yeah.55400:28:52,300 --> 00:28:55,580OK. It's like a new experience.55500:28:55,580 --> 00:28:59,980So, yeah. So previously, William Marston, he was focused on the lie detector,55600:28:59,980 --> 00:29:03,420but now he's shifting to sex.55700:29:04,220 --> 00:29:05,260Sexual things.55800:29:05,260 --> 00:29:08,460So it's like deep dive into bondage.55900:29:09,580 --> 00:29:09,980Wow.56000:29:09,980 --> 00:29:10,700And spanking.56100:29:11,660 --> 00:29:12,700And this was at Harvard.56200:29:12,700 --> 00:29:14,220This was at Tufts University.56300:29:14,220 --> 00:29:16,380This is the new place where he moved to.56400:29:16,380 --> 00:29:16,860Yeah.56500:29:16,860 --> 00:29:18,460He's just an assistant.56600:29:19,180 --> 00:29:20,700He is just an assistant.56700:29:21,660 --> 00:29:24,860I mean, he is teaching eight classes a semester.56800:29:24,860 --> 00:29:25,660Oh, my God.56900:29:25,660 --> 00:29:27,660Like they're assistant professor.57000:29:27,660 --> 00:29:34,300Yeah. Well, I mean, so keep in mind, like your tenured professors.57100:29:34,860 --> 00:29:39,260Yeah, they might teach a couple of classes, but they mainly want to do research.57200:29:40,060 --> 00:29:41,260They want to do research.57300:29:41,260 --> 00:29:45,260They want to hire research assistants for almost nothing.57400:29:45,980 --> 00:29:51,500And yeah, they're using the college to get funding for their research.57500:29:52,780 --> 00:29:56,940And sounds like some fun research is also experimenting on students, apparently.57600:29:56,940 --> 00:30:01,580And your assistant professors are the ones that are doing all the grunt work of teaching57700:30:01,580 --> 00:30:03,020all these other classes.57800:30:04,220 --> 00:30:06,140So well, tell me more.57900:30:06,140 --> 00:30:07,260Tell me more about this.58000:30:07,260 --> 00:30:08,300Tell me more.58100:30:08,300 --> 00:30:09,180Unraveling.58200:30:09,180 --> 00:30:16,940So he was getting classmates to spank Olive and he was like, I need this woman in my life.58300:30:16,940 --> 00:30:19,260Only female classmates.58400:30:20,220 --> 00:30:23,100So women spanking other women and tying them up.58500:30:24,380 --> 00:30:25,900That's just a normal Wednesday here.58600:30:26,620 --> 00:30:27,100Yeah.58700:30:29,260 --> 00:30:30,140Ain't nothing wrong.58800:30:30,140 --> 00:30:31,740Ain't nothing weird about that here.58900:30:31,740 --> 00:30:39,900So during this time, he was developing the theory of human emotions, which he would later59000:30:41,580 --> 00:30:46,460cover in his book Emotions of Normal People, which established disk theory,59100:30:46,460 --> 00:30:49,660which is still actually used today.59200:30:51,020 --> 00:30:59,420For instance, I know the parent company that I work for uses disk theory very heavily.59300:30:59,420 --> 00:31:02,700Oh, really?59400:31:02,700 --> 00:31:03,100Yes.59500:31:03,100 --> 00:31:03,980Oh, that's amazing.59600:31:03,980 --> 00:31:09,660So it's I'm sure it's evolved over time or maybe like changed a little bit,59700:31:09,660 --> 00:31:11,980but it's still it's still used today.59800:31:11,980 --> 00:31:16,780When you type in a Google disk theory images, like there's a whole there's a whole.59900:31:17,980 --> 00:31:18,700Oh, my God.60000:31:18,700 --> 00:31:23,580There's just a butt ton of images of different like layouts of the disk theory.60100:31:23,580 --> 00:31:24,380Ton of butt.60200:31:24,380 --> 00:31:26,460How many how many is a butt ton?60300:31:26,460 --> 00:31:30,460It's just not a metric ton of butt.60400:31:30,460 --> 00:31:32,300It's just a ton of butt.60500:31:33,260 --> 00:31:33,980A ton.60600:31:33,980 --> 00:31:34,220OK.60700:31:35,180 --> 00:31:35,740OK.60800:31:35,740 --> 00:31:36,620A booty.60900:31:39,580 --> 00:31:46,220Now, William Marston's disk theory is a behavioral model that explains how individuals61000:31:46,220 --> 00:31:50,380tend to respond to their environment and interact with with others.61100:31:50,380 --> 00:31:56,620So basically, disk puts people into four different personality traits.61200:31:57,180 --> 00:32:01,340So the D, the I, the S and the C all stand for something.61300:32:01,340 --> 00:32:03,180Can you guess what they stand for?61400:32:05,580 --> 00:32:07,340D is obviously for dominance.61500:32:07,900 --> 00:32:08,460Yes.61600:32:08,460 --> 00:32:11,660I is for influence because, you know, I'm an influencer.61700:32:12,220 --> 00:32:12,780Oh, my gosh.61800:32:12,780 --> 00:32:13,020Yes.61900:32:13,020 --> 00:32:20,620S is for subs steadiness.62000:32:20,620 --> 00:32:21,180Right.62100:32:21,180 --> 00:32:21,820Right.62200:32:21,820 --> 00:32:24,300And C is for conscientiousness.62300:32:24,300 --> 00:32:24,940Correct.62400:32:24,940 --> 00:32:25,340Wow.62500:32:25,340 --> 00:32:25,980OK.62600:32:25,980 --> 00:32:28,620I thought I was so as was submissive.62700:32:28,620 --> 00:32:31,660One would think one would think.62800:32:32,220 --> 00:32:33,340Well, there's dominance.62900:32:33,340 --> 00:32:33,660I forget.63000:32:33,660 --> 00:32:34,460I forget.63100:32:34,460 --> 00:32:35,820It's not BDSM yet.63200:32:35,820 --> 00:32:36,780This is before.63300:32:36,780 --> 00:32:39,420This is the pre to be dominance.63400:32:39,420 --> 00:32:41,580This is the pre to be dominance.63500:32:41,580 --> 00:32:43,420I thought it would be dominance and then this.63600:32:44,940 --> 00:32:47,100BDSM isn't a thing yet.63700:32:47,100 --> 00:32:47,900OK.63800:32:47,900 --> 00:32:50,860So I got this early 1900 still.63900:32:50,860 --> 00:32:51,420All right.64000:32:51,420 --> 00:32:52,060Yes.64100:32:52,060 --> 00:32:53,020Yeah, definitely.64200:32:53,020 --> 00:32:53,900BDSM is like.64300:32:55,580 --> 00:32:56,300Not around yet.64400:32:57,100 --> 00:32:58,300I mean, I would say it's around.64500:32:58,300 --> 00:33:00,780It's around, but it's not called that term, isn't there?64600:33:01,580 --> 00:33:06,780So kind of going into a little bit deeper, D dominance,64700:33:06,780 --> 00:33:11,500people with dominant personalities are assertive goal oriented.64800:33:11,500 --> 00:33:12,700Decisive.64900:33:12,700 --> 00:33:16,940They're typically very confident and enjoy taking charge of all situations.65000:33:17,980 --> 00:33:18,940Makes sense.65100:33:18,940 --> 00:33:19,440Yes.65200:33:19,980 --> 00:33:26,620The I individuals with influential personalities are outgoing, optimistic, and sociable.65300:33:27,340 --> 00:33:31,420They enjoy building relationships and are good at persuading others.65400:33:32,780 --> 00:33:33,420That makes sense.65500:33:34,940 --> 00:33:36,780S steadiness.65600:33:36,780 --> 00:33:43,500People are steady people with a steady personality are patient, supportive, and reliable.65700:33:44,060 --> 00:33:48,060They are typically team players who value harmony and stability.65800:33:50,220 --> 00:33:50,940OK.65900:33:50,940 --> 00:34:01,340So see conscientiousness are individuals that are analytical, detail oriented and systematic.66000:34:01,340 --> 00:34:05,740They value being very accurate and driving for perfection.66100:34:06,460 --> 00:34:07,020OK.66200:34:07,020 --> 00:34:08,700So it's like, yeah.66300:34:09,260 --> 00:34:12,940Which you would need in order to even pronounce your letter.66400:34:13,660 --> 00:34:20,540It's almost like the dis theory back then was used a lot like was that one personality test that we do nowadays.66500:34:22,220 --> 00:34:23,260Oh, the Myers-Briggs.66600:34:23,260 --> 00:34:26,780Yeah, it's like a very basic Myers-Briggs personality test.66700:34:26,780 --> 00:34:27,580It seems like.66800:34:27,580 --> 00:34:28,940Have you guys done that, by the way?66900:34:28,940 --> 00:34:29,420No.67000:34:29,420 --> 00:34:31,420What are you?67100:34:31,420 --> 00:34:33,420Oh, gosh, what am I?67200:34:33,420 --> 00:34:34,700I was like, Ian.67300:34:34,700 --> 00:34:35,500We're the same.67400:34:35,500 --> 00:34:36,700FJ or ENFP.67500:34:36,700 --> 00:34:38,700No, we're ENFP.67600:34:38,700 --> 00:34:39,260ENFP.67700:34:39,260 --> 00:34:40,220Both of us.67800:34:40,220 --> 00:34:40,700Yeah.67900:34:43,740 --> 00:34:44,860Does that scare you?68000:34:46,220 --> 00:34:47,740I'm just going to leave the podcast now.68100:34:47,740 --> 00:34:48,540Why?68200:34:48,540 --> 00:34:49,340Hang on.68300:34:50,140 --> 00:34:50,620Why?68400:34:50,620 --> 00:34:51,580Does it?68500:34:51,580 --> 00:34:52,540Is that bad?68600:34:52,540 --> 00:34:53,580I think.68700:34:53,580 --> 00:34:54,780Let me like.68800:34:54,780 --> 00:34:55,820They're like, yeah.68900:34:55,820 --> 00:34:57,340I think that's the.69000:34:57,340 --> 00:34:59,500Most toxic one.69100:35:01,500 --> 00:35:03,500Extrovert.69200:35:04,380 --> 00:35:04,940Yeah.69300:35:05,660 --> 00:35:07,580So that's very interesting.69400:35:07,580 --> 00:35:09,580I'm an INFP.69500:35:10,620 --> 00:35:13,420You guys are ENFPs.69600:35:13,420 --> 00:35:14,460Mm hmm.69700:35:14,460 --> 00:35:21,500So we are very similar personalities, except for I'm introverted and you both are extroverted.69800:35:21,500 --> 00:35:22,060Yeah.69900:35:22,940 --> 00:35:23,820Wow.70000:35:23,820 --> 00:35:33,420It would make sense because like back in the day when we used to go party and stuff, you were very you would you would you would come out of your own shell eventually.70100:35:33,420 --> 00:35:36,380But it was mostly like I was instantly out of my own shell.70200:35:36,380 --> 00:35:39,020I was just like, oh, I was I was always out of my shell.70300:35:39,020 --> 00:35:41,020Yeah, whatever.70400:35:41,020 --> 00:35:49,580So yeah, it does seem like it's a very basic version of the Myers-Briggs test.70500:35:49,580 --> 00:35:51,980But specifically.70600:35:51,980 --> 00:35:56,540When it comes to like dominance and submission, right?70700:35:56,540 --> 00:36:11,180Well, so the whole idea is that by better understanding the four personality types, one can improve communication, build stronger relationships and enhance teamwork in personal and professional settings.70800:36:11,180 --> 00:36:14,220So I think the other one is mainly.70900:36:14,220 --> 00:36:16,220A lot like broader.71000:36:16,220 --> 00:36:21,820On like, hey, this is kind of who you are in life.71100:36:21,820 --> 00:36:24,140This is more so I kind of feel like in a.71200:36:26,140 --> 00:36:28,140Professional like.71300:36:30,140 --> 00:36:33,980Again, teamwork, working together, how to get what you want.71400:36:33,980 --> 00:36:34,780Mm hmm.71500:36:34,780 --> 00:36:39,580So which would make sense why, you know, it's still used in kind of like a business atmosphere.71600:36:39,580 --> 00:36:42,060So it's the Myers-Briggs test for business professionals.71700:36:42,060 --> 00:36:42,780I guess.71800:36:42,780 --> 00:36:47,180For your business personality, everyone does have like a different personality when it comes to business.71900:36:47,180 --> 00:36:48,540That is very true.72000:36:48,540 --> 00:36:49,580I am.72100:36:49,580 --> 00:36:53,100Let's be honest, like you're a different person when you're when it comes down to.72200:36:53,100 --> 00:36:57,420Well, yeah, like you like even like when you're at work, you like you put your work smile on.72300:36:57,420 --> 00:36:59,740It's a different kind of smile than your authentic one.72400:37:01,020 --> 00:37:01,740Right.72500:37:01,740 --> 00:37:03,740Yeah, I definitely agree with that.72600:37:03,740 --> 00:37:04,940Yeah, our kind of work.72700:37:04,940 --> 00:37:05,500Yes.72800:37:05,500 --> 00:37:08,380Except for us, these are our real smiles, by the way.72900:37:08,380 --> 00:37:28,940Right. Yeah. So Olive actually took her professor to show him how new pledges and her sorority were hazed, which involved dressing them up as babies, blindfolding them, tying their hands behind their backs and hitting them with sticks or paddles.73000:37:28,940 --> 00:37:30,540Hold on a second.73100:37:30,540 --> 00:37:33,020Someone that was in charge of that.73200:37:33,020 --> 00:37:35,020Yeah, I think that's a good one.73300:37:35,020 --> 00:37:42,700Someone that was in charge of that had that was playing to like their fantasy of some sort.73400:37:42,700 --> 00:37:46,140I do believe so.73500:37:46,140 --> 00:37:50,220I mean, part of it is going to be just kind of tradition.73600:37:50,220 --> 00:37:56,460I mean, we still see fraternities doing stuff like that, even though they're not really supposed to, I don't think anymore.73700:37:56,460 --> 00:37:59,740But you still see fraternities doing this today.73800:37:59,740 --> 00:38:07,500So I think some of it is probably just tradition, like, oh, hey, every year we do this.73900:38:07,500 --> 00:38:17,500However, at least somewhere down the line, there's there's people that maybe they don't even know it, but they this is a kinky side to them.74000:38:17,500 --> 00:38:19,260Yeah. Interesting.74100:38:19,260 --> 00:38:22,060On both sides, the people that are in charge and the people that are.74200:38:22,060 --> 00:38:27,020Yeah, it's like from the dominant perspective, they're like, yes, yes.74300:38:27,020 --> 00:38:31,500Do this humiliating thing for me. Pledge your loyalty to me.74400:38:31,500 --> 00:38:37,100Yeah. And then on the Somerset side, it's like, I'm just happy to be here.74500:38:37,100 --> 00:38:41,940So all of invited William to the.74600:38:41,940 --> 00:38:45,180Her sorority initiation for hazing.74700:38:45,180 --> 00:38:47,100I mean, it was hazing.74800:38:47,100 --> 00:38:51,900Oh, OK. Was it her being initiated or is it just other sorority members?74900:38:51,900 --> 00:38:59,580Based on my research, I believe it was just witnessing other people's initiation.75000:38:59,580 --> 00:39:05,420I think she was already actually in to the sorority.75100:39:05,420 --> 00:39:13,580And again, the movie depicts William Marston sneaking in and like not it's not known that he's in there.75200:39:13,580 --> 00:39:17,180Right. Like the sorority doesn't know that he's watching.75300:39:17,180 --> 00:39:24,060However, we do know that afterwards, all of them, William conducted interviews on the upper class women75400:39:24,060 --> 00:39:32,700who were hazing and the research that they kind of came up with was that in most cases,75500:39:32,700 --> 00:39:38,540the women that were involved enjoyed what was happening.75600:39:38,540 --> 00:39:42,460Interesting. Yeah, the movie definitely did not.75700:39:42,460 --> 00:39:46,300It definitely looked like, oh, we're sneaking into doing something naughty.75800:39:46,300 --> 00:39:49,340Right. Yeah. And it was like something all of was here.75900:39:49,340 --> 00:39:51,740You should come watch this. Right.76000:39:51,740 --> 00:39:53,820Yeah, it's like all of knew it was going on.76100:39:53,820 --> 00:39:59,420But that does kind of sound like isn't that how that type of research would even come to be known to begin with?76200:39:59,420 --> 00:40:06,340I could totally understand the professors learning that these sororities and fraternities are doing stuff like that.76300:40:06,340 --> 00:40:10,020And they're like, oh, I wonder why they're doing that.76400:40:10,020 --> 00:40:11,900Yeah. And they just started studying it.76500:40:11,900 --> 00:40:13,620So that's a that's a really good point.76600:40:13,620 --> 00:40:19,100I mean, he's a psychology assistant professor.76700:40:19,100 --> 00:40:26,900So, you know. Yeah, it could be, hey, we're let's kind of try to figure out why this is happening.76800:40:26,900 --> 00:40:32,100He's establishing disk theory. He's coming up like, hey, like this is consensual.76900:40:32,100 --> 00:40:35,220Hey, they are enjoying it.77000:40:35,220 --> 00:40:36,980That's interesting to me.77100:40:36,980 --> 00:40:42,980I wonder what all of intentions of inviting him were besides for just research purposes.77200:40:42,980 --> 00:40:50,260It's hard to say, because obviously we don't have like all the facts here, but maybe all of.77300:40:50,260 --> 00:40:54,380Did go to William and say, like, hey.77400:40:54,380 --> 00:40:56,940You know, I've taken like.77500:40:56,940 --> 00:41:06,340Four of your classes, something that's kind of interesting is, you know, my sorority does hazing every semester or whatever.77600:41:06,340 --> 00:41:08,420So maybe she pitched it to.77700:41:08,420 --> 00:41:14,860But what we do know is what happens the next year in 1926.77800:41:14,860 --> 00:41:19,860Olive actually graduates from college.77900:41:19,860 --> 00:41:22,660Yay. Yay. Congratulations.78000:41:22,660 --> 00:41:32,140Nice. And also at that college graduation, William invited his wife, Sadie, to the graduation ceremony to, quote,78100:41:32,140 --> 00:41:39,180meet someone special and there is a photograph of William.78200:41:39,180 --> 00:41:44,180Olive, Olive's mother and Sadie.78300:41:44,180 --> 00:41:53,260Oh, wow. So kind of a group photo of all of Sadie, William and then all of his mother.78400:41:53,260 --> 00:41:56,980So that was their first meeting. Yeah.78500:41:56,980 --> 00:42:01,780As far as we know, I wonder what was going on in Sadie's mind.78600:42:01,780 --> 00:42:07,780Like. How much information do you think that he?78700:42:07,780 --> 00:42:11,700Gave Sadie about all of my wonder.78800:42:11,700 --> 00:42:21,580Like, did she walk into this just thinking, oh, this is just one of his favorite students or like, is this someone that my husband's interested in?78900:42:21,580 --> 00:42:26,900My opinion is based on.79000:42:26,900 --> 00:42:31,860Details that are about to come up in the story.79100:42:31,860 --> 00:42:43,260To me, I think it was Sadie did not know a whole lot, and it was very much like, hey, come be my favorite or like maybe someone that's like.79200:42:43,260 --> 00:42:52,700Very kind of. Because keep in mind, Sadie and William both got degrees in psychology.79300:42:52,700 --> 00:42:59,620So it very much could have been a hey, this person, this young person just graduated from college.79400:42:59,620 --> 00:43:04,700They're very smart, very bright. I think you should come out here and meet her.79500:43:04,700 --> 00:43:07,540She's like killing it in all my classes.79600:43:07,540 --> 00:43:14,140You know, she's like the smartest person. Yeah, she's getting A's and all of these other unimportant classes.79700:43:14,140 --> 00:43:19,940And, babe, you know me, I don't hand out A's.79800:43:19,940 --> 00:43:21,980Yeah, I don't want to hand out A's like that.79900:43:21,980 --> 00:43:28,740Yeah. So I I'm going to ask you the same question here in a little bit.80000:43:28,740 --> 00:43:31,500How about that? OK. OK. All right.80100:43:31,500 --> 00:43:39,140So all have decided not to pursue a graduate degree in nursing, how she originally kind of planned.80200:43:39,140 --> 00:43:47,540And even though her aunt was willing to pay for it, but decided that she wanted to go on for psychology.80300:43:47,540 --> 00:43:56,380Interesting. She wanted to not only work with William Marston, but also live with him.80400:43:56,380 --> 00:44:04,140Her mother did not approve of this. This was kind of if I remember correctly from my research,80500:44:04,140 --> 00:44:09,740this was kind of pitched as a hey, like I could save money. I could stay with him.80600:44:09,740 --> 00:44:15,500It makes sense because like we would be doing research together and I would learn so much80700:44:15,500 --> 00:44:21,700from this expert in psychology. And we'll save so much more water if we shower together.80800:44:21,700 --> 00:44:24,420Yeah. Yeah. It makes sense.80900:44:24,420 --> 00:44:28,540You don't have to buy me an extra bed. I'll just share his bed. Right.81000:44:28,540 --> 00:44:30,540It makes total sense.81100:44:32,540 --> 00:44:38,140William Marston ended up leaving Tufts University after Olive graduated.81200:44:38,140 --> 00:44:40,820He was there for less than a year.81300:44:40,820 --> 00:44:49,460Most likely he was asked to leave due to the relationship with Olive and also his experiments on young women.81400:44:49,460 --> 00:44:53,740Probably did not go over well.81500:44:53,740 --> 00:44:55,860No. The spankings.81600:44:55,860 --> 00:44:56,860No.81700:44:58,060 --> 00:45:01,900Yeah, the internet doesn't like being spanked.81800:45:01,900 --> 00:45:08,300Olive moved in for the summer with Sadie and William in Connecticut.81900:45:08,300 --> 00:45:14,300One version of the family story is that William gave Sadie a choice.82000:45:14,300 --> 00:45:19,220Either Olive moved in or he would leave.82100:45:19,220 --> 00:45:24,060Which the story goes, this is a family story, keep in mind.82200:45:24,060 --> 00:45:28,500The family story goes that this devastated Sadie.82300:45:28,500 --> 00:45:37,940So first of all, there's like a little bit about your kind of like what you just asked about,82400:45:37,940 --> 00:45:42,220you know, how much does Sadie know based on that family story.82500:45:42,220 --> 00:45:45,580I would say probably very little at the time.82600:45:45,580 --> 00:45:54,220But also, I wanted to kind of bring up a very good topic point of, you know, Nikki,82700:45:54,220 --> 00:46:06,500how do you two decide who joins your relationship since you both are in a poly relationship and have been for a while now?82800:46:06,500 --> 00:46:17,460So if painting a picture, if like, say, for example, one of us pulled a William Marsden and was like,82900:46:17,460 --> 00:46:24,060oh, hey, by the way, kind of been dating this girl for like almost a year,83000:46:24,060 --> 00:46:31,500that we probably wouldn't be very excited to be learning that so late.83100:46:31,500 --> 00:46:35,220By the way, they're moving in, you know,83200:46:35,220 --> 00:46:43,380me and Jenny have pretty open communication as far as like, hey, I met this person.83300:46:43,380 --> 00:46:50,340Hey, I think I might be interested in this person or hey, I think I might be interested in this person.83400:46:50,340 --> 00:46:52,380I'm still trying to figure this out.83500:46:52,380 --> 00:47:03,620And I want her feedback, you know, we don't really do anything without discussing everything.83600:47:03,620 --> 00:47:06,700Open and honest about everything.83700:47:06,700 --> 00:47:13,020Like you're mean, if you're married in a monogamous relationship,83800:47:13,020 --> 00:47:17,180you're going to tell your spouse, like, hey, I'm going to hang out with my friends.83900:47:17,180 --> 00:47:18,660You know? Yeah.84000:47:18,660 --> 00:47:21,780So, of course, with a polyamorous relationship, it's going to be the same.84100:47:21,780 --> 00:47:23,180I'm going to go hang out with my friends.84200:47:23,180 --> 00:47:27,980Well, maybe one of those friends eventually develops into something more.84300:47:27,980 --> 00:47:33,140During that process, you're always open with your partner or partners if you have multiple.84400:47:33,140 --> 00:47:36,700And you just let them know, hey, I'm actually developing feelings for this person.84500:47:36,700 --> 00:47:38,460I would like you to meet them.84600:47:38,460 --> 00:47:42,820Or at that point, I mean, if they've been your friends for a while, they probably should have met them already.84700:47:42,820 --> 00:47:44,500You know?84800:47:44,500 --> 00:47:51,820And before you get into like real serious with that that person you want to add into your relationship,84900:47:51,820 --> 00:47:55,140you need to discuss that with your partners, the partners that you have currently,85000:47:55,140 --> 00:47:57,900because that's the relationship that you have that you're building.85100:47:57,900 --> 00:48:01,700Yeah. And in order for them to trust you entirely,85200:48:01,700 --> 00:48:04,620they expect you to be open about that.85300:48:04,620 --> 00:48:10,500And I feel like with polyamory, it's like an unspoken rule just to be open and honest,85400:48:10,500 --> 00:48:13,300because there's a lot of jealousy that can happen.85500:48:13,300 --> 00:48:17,060There's a lot of miscommunication that can happen if you're not communicating.85600:48:17,060 --> 00:48:26,780So assumptions that can be made that can be poor, poor assumptions and can can get you and yourself hurt or you and others hurt emotionally.85700:48:26,780 --> 00:48:29,460Yeah. Sometimes we feel insecure.85800:48:29,460 --> 00:48:33,780And we we talk about that with one another.85900:48:33,780 --> 00:48:41,140Yeah. You know, we we try to have open line of communication about our feelings,86000:48:41,140 --> 00:48:43,940what feeling it is and when we feel it.86100:48:43,940 --> 00:48:48,500You know, yeah, well, with our with our partner that we have, our third partner,86200:48:48,500 --> 00:48:55,740Nikki met him through work and then and then mentioned him to me because they were away for work,86300:48:55,740 --> 00:48:58,700like they're on their traveling for work.86400:48:58,700 --> 00:49:02,700So I I remember talking to her on the phone.86500:49:02,700 --> 00:49:05,100She was like, hey, I met I met someone and we've been hanging out.86600:49:05,100 --> 00:49:07,260They've been really cool.86700:49:07,260 --> 00:49:10,740I would like for us to hang out when I get back.86800:49:10,740 --> 00:49:12,100I want you to meet them.86900:49:12,100 --> 00:49:13,580And I eventually got to meet him.87000:49:13,580 --> 00:49:20,460And, you know, we started doing like dates, more formal dates and like one thing led to another.87100:49:20,460 --> 00:49:25,180And, you know, eventually I was calling on my boyfriend and he was moving in.87200:49:25,180 --> 00:49:32,580And they're just like, if you can be open and honest and communicate properly with your partner,87300:49:32,580 --> 00:49:35,180the craziest, amazing things can happen.87400:49:35,180 --> 00:49:42,980Yeah. Especially if you're willing to explore polyamory is I feel like a lot of couples87500:49:42,980 --> 00:49:48,180could be better as throuples or whatever you want to call it.87600:49:48,180 --> 00:49:53,060So, Nikki. Jay.87700:49:53,060 --> 00:49:58,020Has there ever been a kind of.87800:49:58,020 --> 00:50:04,780Someone maybe someone got feelings for somebody and the other person didn't agree.87900:50:04,780 --> 00:50:07,260Yeah, that's happened. That's happened a few times.88000:50:07,260 --> 00:50:09,860All right. So how did that go?88100:50:09,860 --> 00:50:13,420Oh, so.88200:50:13,420 --> 00:50:19,820It more starts out with like Jenny, Jenny's like very overprotective, I think, sometimes.88300:50:19,820 --> 00:50:21,740So she's like, I don't know about this person yet.88400:50:21,740 --> 00:50:23,820I don't know what their intentions are.88500:50:23,820 --> 00:50:28,180And then I'm just kind of like, oh, but, you know, but they're so nice or they're so cute.88600:50:28,180 --> 00:50:35,740And, you know, we kind of play that out.88700:50:35,740 --> 00:50:43,060And I accept her caution and I try to be more cautious and.88800:50:43,060 --> 00:50:50,700You know. We try to get the approval from one another like, hey, yeah, let's88900:50:50,700 --> 00:50:53,340let's let's move this forward a little bit.89000:50:53,340 --> 00:50:58,220If I don't approve of someone, usually I'm like, hey, let me get you to know them.89100:50:58,220 --> 00:51:00,860Is I have high walls.89200:51:00,860 --> 00:51:04,820I don't trust people very easily because people tend to betray that trust.89300:51:04,820 --> 00:51:08,060Oh, she looked at somebody.89400:51:08,060 --> 00:51:10,940Are they watching? I don't know.89500:51:10,940 --> 00:51:15,980Are you watching? But yeah, some people tend to betray that trust.89600:51:15,980 --> 00:51:22,020And I just don't want to give people my my all right away if I don't know them.89700:51:22,020 --> 00:51:26,820So if she knows if she knows of someone that I'm very like about,89800:51:26,820 --> 00:51:30,020I give them the chance to prove me wrong.89900:51:30,020 --> 00:51:34,140Basically, I give that person the chance to.90000:51:34,140 --> 00:51:41,740Mess up and, you know, prove to me that they're not worth my time kind of, you know.90100:51:41,740 --> 00:51:44,060Yeah, because you don't win in our relationship.90200:51:44,060 --> 00:51:47,580You don't always in our way we have it formed.90300:51:47,580 --> 00:51:53,060You don't always have to agree on each other's partners, but it would be better.90400:51:53,060 --> 00:52:00,420You know. So approval is is better than disapproval.90500:52:00,420 --> 00:52:03,180Jay looks like he has more questions. Yeah, I mean, yeah.90600:52:03,180 --> 00:52:09,820And I'm sure I'm sure our viewers have questions, too. So.90700:52:09,820 --> 00:52:16,940So if, for instance, Nikki did start started getting feelings for somebody,90800:52:16,940 --> 00:52:20,580let's just call them, I don't know.90900:52:20,580 --> 00:52:23,820William. OK.91000:52:23,820 --> 00:52:28,180Oh, wait, real William or sexy Hollywood, William Hollywood.91100:52:28,180 --> 00:52:30,540Oh, OK. OK. OK.91200:52:30,540 --> 00:52:33,540So William comes into the picture.91300:52:33,540 --> 00:52:35,420Start mingling.91400:52:35,420 --> 00:52:37,820You start hanging out with them.91500:52:37,820 --> 00:52:41,020You start developing feelings.91600:52:41,020 --> 00:52:44,300You go to Jenny or Jenny, Jenny, I'm starting to get feelings.91700:52:44,300 --> 00:52:47,540Jenny's like, well, hold up high walls here.91800:52:47,540 --> 00:52:50,300Let's get to know this guy a little bit better.91900:52:50,300 --> 00:52:52,340Jenny, you get to know him a little better.92000:52:52,340 --> 00:52:58,660And Jenny, you're just absolutely like, no, he's going to gain like 200 pounds.92100:52:58,660 --> 00:53:01,140He's not going to be attractive.92200:53:01,140 --> 00:53:05,060No. Well, but you were very strong.92300:53:05,060 --> 00:53:08,940You're very strong and you're like, but I I want to move in with him92400:53:08,940 --> 00:53:11,700and I want to study psychology with him.92500:53:11,700 --> 00:53:15,020And he's just he's really in the comics.92600:53:15,020 --> 00:53:18,340And I don't know, I think he could really go somewhere with this.92700:53:18,340 --> 00:53:20,780Yeah. You know,92800:53:21,460 --> 00:53:24,100I don't know, Jenny, how how how would you handle that?92900:53:24,100 --> 00:53:26,820I don't like someone. I don't like someone.93000:53:26,820 --> 00:53:28,100But it's my heart.93100:53:28,100 --> 00:53:31,180And I think I might be into this person.93200:53:31,180 --> 00:53:35,540But I guess like a direct question is if you are 100 percent against somebody.93300:53:35,740 --> 00:53:37,500Oh, yeah, she can veto. Yeah.93400:53:37,500 --> 00:53:39,180So that's it. She's a little veto.93500:53:39,180 --> 00:53:42,980If she's like 100 percent dead set, like, no, this person had to do.93600:53:43,260 --> 00:53:45,780I I trust Jenny. You have to.93700:53:45,900 --> 00:53:47,980You know, for me, I have to have.93800:53:47,980 --> 00:53:50,260It's funny because I'm going to lay this out like it's court.93900:53:50,420 --> 00:53:54,340I have to have incriminating evidence on this person94000:53:54,660 --> 00:53:58,220to dignify that they cannot be a part of a relationship.94100:53:58,220 --> 00:54:02,460Because like if I'm like, for instance, I'm like, I don't like that person94200:54:02,460 --> 00:54:06,980because they talk a certain way, that's not an excuse enough to not like person94300:54:07,220 --> 00:54:09,260or not to involve them in the relationship.94400:54:09,260 --> 00:54:11,820But if I'm like, that person is a liar.94500:54:13,020 --> 00:54:16,780I will. And I feel passionate that they're a liar.94600:54:17,300 --> 00:54:20,780That's the time where it's like, this is an example of when they're lying.94700:54:20,780 --> 00:54:23,540This is an example of when they're doing something that I don't like.94800:54:24,180 --> 00:54:27,940And that's when it's like when if she doesn't like94900:54:27,940 --> 00:54:30,580doesn't accept that, then it's like then becomes a problem.95000:54:30,580 --> 00:54:34,260But it's usually at that point, if I can prove like, hey, this person95100:54:34,260 --> 00:54:37,660is really not that good of a person and she can see it.95200:54:37,980 --> 00:54:41,980It's we're both in agreement, like, OK, maybe we shouldn't be talking to this person.95300:54:42,420 --> 00:54:45,940But now that we have three, we're we're a throuple.95400:54:46,380 --> 00:54:48,420It's a veto system with three people.95500:54:48,900 --> 00:54:55,060So we never come into the situation where one of us approves, another one doesn't.95600:54:55,420 --> 00:54:57,780And like one person's infatuated with a new person.95700:54:57,780 --> 00:55:00,380You know, we haven't come and encountered that situation yet.95800:55:00,540 --> 00:55:03,300But I'll let you know when when happens and how we handle it.95900:55:03,660 --> 00:55:07,780It's just anything, any problem, any situation, any relationship96000:55:08,260 --> 00:55:13,660in a when it comes to polyamory, specifically requires communication.96100:55:13,860 --> 00:55:16,820Yeah. Yeah. And we've dated outside of our throuple.96200:55:17,140 --> 00:55:21,780Yeah. And we've had disagreements on people that we've dated outside of our throuple.96300:55:22,340 --> 00:55:24,540You know, and.96400:55:24,540 --> 00:55:26,940I don't know, I think it's been going OK so far.96500:55:26,940 --> 00:55:30,900It's it's only made me and Jenny's relationship stronger96600:55:31,740 --> 00:55:33,300throughout this process. Yeah.96700:55:34,900 --> 00:55:36,100To be honest, like.96800:55:37,140 --> 00:55:42,740And I so I imagine with the line of work that you two do,96900:55:43,380 --> 00:55:50,820obviously, it's probably very easy to meet maybe potential new additions to the group.97000:55:50,820 --> 00:55:53,740Yeah, occasionally we come across somebody that we really like.97100:55:53,740 --> 00:55:54,740You know, and.97200:55:55,820 --> 00:55:59,900Because we obviously we have if we have similar personalities,97300:55:59,900 --> 00:56:03,060we already care about similar work.97400:56:03,540 --> 00:56:06,140You know, we live similar lifestyles.97500:56:06,140 --> 00:56:11,100Yeah. With our line of work, yeah, we do need a lot of people that are potential candidates.97600:56:11,100 --> 00:56:16,740But like, I feel like the further on we get in our relationship,97700:56:16,740 --> 00:56:22,740in our relationship with our boyfriend, that it's like it's97800:56:22,740 --> 00:56:25,940we're not as searching, searching as much.97900:56:25,940 --> 00:56:30,220I feel like when it was just us two, we were definitely actor.98000:56:30,220 --> 00:56:34,020Please. We both kind of wanted to share a boyfriend kind of thing.98100:56:34,380 --> 00:56:40,580And yeah, and even when we had him in our life, we we still were looking,98200:56:40,580 --> 00:56:43,020you know, you know, like we're still open to it.98300:56:43,460 --> 00:56:46,420But I feel like the older we get, the more98400:56:47,820 --> 00:56:50,340it feels like they find us rather than finding them.98500:56:50,340 --> 00:56:54,460Yeah, it's not like it's very much people find us and they fall in love with us98600:56:54,460 --> 00:56:57,540instead of us being like, oh, I found this new person.98700:56:58,140 --> 00:57:04,700So for the the fans, because you two both have a very large fan base.98800:57:04,700 --> 00:57:06,980OK. Mm hmm. For the fans at home.98900:57:07,940 --> 00:57:11,860Would either one of you or both of you consider.99000:57:14,100 --> 00:57:15,300Dating a fan.99100:57:16,660 --> 00:57:17,900Would we date a fan?99200:57:17,900 --> 00:57:20,820It really depends on it, because like,99300:57:20,820 --> 00:57:23,660I think I would have to not know they're a fan first.99400:57:24,500 --> 00:57:27,460As well, that's funny.99500:57:27,460 --> 00:57:28,460You bring that up.99600:57:28,460 --> 00:57:31,500And so our boyfriend99700:57:32,500 --> 00:57:36,700has said that they used to, you know, they used to watch Reddit,99800:57:37,220 --> 00:57:39,100you know, or they fan of us.99900:57:39,100 --> 00:57:42,100Well, so he wasn't aware100000:57:42,820 --> 00:57:45,900that of who I was, because, you know, we were dating.100100:57:45,900 --> 00:57:50,020That of who I was, because, you know, I wore my hair differently at work.100200:57:50,820 --> 00:57:55,660You know, had a hair tied back and I always had a stupid hat on.100300:57:56,780 --> 00:58:01,500So. He it took him a while.100400:58:01,500 --> 00:58:04,580And like, once I confided in him, like, yeah, I do.100500:58:04,860 --> 00:58:07,820I do can work on the side and he's like.100600:58:07,820 --> 00:58:10,260Wait a second. Oh, my God.100700:58:10,980 --> 00:58:13,340He was a fan, wasn't he?100800:58:13,340 --> 00:58:16,420I mean, he wasn't like a subscribed fan or anything.100900:58:16,420 --> 00:58:20,460It's more of like, I know, he's seen some of my posts and upvoted them.101000:58:20,500 --> 00:58:24,260It's OK. So I guess as an example, it didn't really matter.101100:58:25,100 --> 00:58:25,860This doesn't really matter.101200:58:25,860 --> 00:58:28,540Like, I guess I would because.101300:58:28,900 --> 00:58:31,860But if they were like a huge like if they were like a super fan,101400:58:31,860 --> 00:58:36,380they're like, oh, my God, you know, like I've seen you and I love your stuff.101500:58:36,660 --> 00:58:39,140Like and I just I just watch it every single day.101600:58:39,140 --> 00:58:40,340How do they say it again?101700:58:40,340 --> 00:58:42,620I love your stuff.101800:58:42,620 --> 00:58:46,460And they're like liking all my Twitter pictures,101900:58:46,460 --> 00:58:50,940liking all my Instagram pictures, subscribe to like all my subscription sites.102000:58:50,980 --> 00:58:52,820It would depend on the level of fan.102100:58:52,820 --> 00:58:55,180Yeah. If it's like an obsessive fan,102200:58:55,180 --> 00:58:58,180you know, maybe kind of turned off a little bit by that. Yeah.102300:58:58,420 --> 00:59:00,420But if it's someone that's a normal person, that's like, hey,102400:59:00,420 --> 00:59:02,580I'm also a fan of your work. Like I support.102500:59:02,580 --> 00:59:04,500I support the things you do. I think you all are hot.102600:59:04,500 --> 00:59:06,260I like your personalities.102700:59:06,260 --> 00:59:08,340Yeah, I'd talk to this person.102800:59:08,340 --> 00:59:10,340I'd have a drink with this person. OK.102900:59:10,340 --> 00:59:14,180I think that's like very common also when we see like famous103000:59:14,180 --> 00:59:16,620like actors or actresses. Yeah.103100:59:16,620 --> 00:59:18,820They kind of say the same thing. Yeah. Yeah.103200:59:18,820 --> 00:59:24,500So no one wants like the fanatic there, like obsessing over them.103300:59:24,540 --> 00:59:26,540Oh, I'm now dating my stalker.103400:59:26,540 --> 00:59:28,980I mean, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.103500:59:28,980 --> 00:59:30,500Oh, my God. That'd be scary.103600:59:30,500 --> 00:59:33,380What do you find attractive in other people?103700:59:33,620 --> 00:59:39,580I don't know. Honestly, what do I find attractive in other people?103800:59:39,580 --> 00:59:41,660Yeah. But there's buts.103900:59:41,660 --> 00:59:46,780I'm trying to think important things for me.104000:59:46,780 --> 00:59:49,940But we said, but yeah, for me, it's.104100:59:52,060 --> 00:59:54,620Buts. OK, all right.104200:59:54,620 --> 00:59:56,820I'll be serious and but picks.104300:59:56,820 --> 01:00:00,580So all seriousness, probably, but.104401:00:01,580 --> 01:00:07,820All right. So those of you at home, do not send dick pics, send butt pics.104501:00:07,820 --> 01:00:10,660No, stop. Don't don't tell them that.104601:00:10,660 --> 01:00:13,100Send butt pics. Don't. Where can they send them?104701:00:15,300 --> 01:00:18,380On Twitter, follow them on Twitter, send them butt pics.104801:00:18,380 --> 01:00:21,580Oh, wait. What do I what do I look for in a partner?104901:00:23,900 --> 01:00:26,380I value I value.105001:00:27,340 --> 01:00:29,980Humor. I really like I like humor.105101:00:29,980 --> 01:00:32,780I like kindness, generosity.105201:00:32,780 --> 01:00:35,540I like intelligence.105301:00:35,540 --> 01:00:39,140Someone that will smother her with attention 24 7.105401:00:39,420 --> 01:00:42,660Yes, yes. Yeah.105501:00:43,620 --> 01:00:46,820That's nice. But not too much.105601:00:49,260 --> 01:00:51,620I just like butts.105701:00:51,620 --> 01:00:52,740There you have it.105801:00:52,740 --> 01:00:55,100Well, I really do. I agree with her, though.105901:00:55,100 --> 01:00:57,340Personality is everything for me.106001:00:57,820 --> 01:00:59,900And you have to be quite intelligent.106101:00:59,900 --> 01:01:02,620Like you have to actually hold a conversation with me.106201:01:02,620 --> 01:01:05,460Yeah. And be engaging in the conversation.106301:01:06,900 --> 01:01:10,660Because like looks are important, of course, like pretty eyes,106401:01:10,660 --> 01:01:12,740pretty smile, things like that.106501:01:12,740 --> 01:01:18,500But after you get over that, oh, you're so pretty part.106601:01:18,900 --> 01:01:22,540There's the very important part is the personality, the person behind the smile.106701:01:22,700 --> 01:01:27,020Yeah. And for me, that's a that's it'll kill it or keep it going for me.106801:01:27,020 --> 01:01:30,060Like I could be super attractive to attracted to you.106901:01:30,060 --> 01:01:34,540Like you could be like Brad Pitt, hot, you know, or like frickin.107001:01:35,540 --> 01:01:37,060What's her name?107101:01:37,060 --> 01:01:40,780You could be like Brad Pitt, hot or.107201:01:40,780 --> 01:01:43,220I think you just you can't stop thinking about Brad Pitt.107301:01:43,220 --> 01:01:47,180I can't. You could be you could be like, OK, let me say that again.107401:01:47,340 --> 01:01:49,700You could be like Brad Pitt, hot.107501:01:49,700 --> 01:01:54,580But if you don't have a good personality and you're, you know, as dull as like.107601:01:56,540 --> 01:01:59,580Can be. Yeah, I'm not going to like107701:01:59,580 --> 01:02:02,980I'm a look past that physical attractiveness because107801:02:03,780 --> 01:02:07,740when when I look for a partner, specifically, I'm looking for like a match,107901:02:08,140 --> 01:02:10,260like a personality match.108001:02:10,260 --> 01:02:13,500Thanks. It's like it's like looks are kind of like a secondary thing.108101:02:14,060 --> 01:02:17,780And we like nerdy, funny.108201:02:18,860 --> 01:02:20,900Sweet, sweet people.108301:02:20,900 --> 01:02:23,900I think it's like mostly our demographic.108401:02:25,060 --> 01:02:26,300Nerdy and funny.108501:02:26,300 --> 01:02:27,580Mm hmm. Nice.108601:02:27,580 --> 01:02:30,980If you can't make me laugh, go home.108701:02:30,980 --> 01:02:32,380Yeah. All right.108801:02:32,380 --> 01:02:35,140Well, I know we got like off topic a little bit,108901:02:35,140 --> 01:02:39,180but since we are talking about polyamory, since.109001:02:39,580 --> 01:02:41,180Yeah. Yeah, no, it's relevant.109101:02:41,180 --> 01:02:42,820It's definitely relevant.109201:02:42,820 --> 01:02:46,980The movie tried to paint a more ethical looking polyamory story.109301:02:46,980 --> 01:02:51,500They did. If they if they told the real William Marston story,109401:02:51,780 --> 01:02:55,860people would probably be more turned off of his personality,109501:02:55,860 --> 01:02:58,100his personality and polyamory in general.109601:02:58,580 --> 01:03:01,620It like it puts a negative mark on it.109701:03:01,620 --> 01:03:05,540If you make it look like a polyamorous relationship109801:03:05,660 --> 01:03:07,940started off in a negative way. Yeah.109901:03:08,140 --> 01:03:10,980Even in a movie, because like everyone's saying that110001:03:11,580 --> 01:03:14,060people that don't know what polyamory even means,110101:03:14,420 --> 01:03:17,140people that don't don't even know that110201:03:17,140 --> 01:03:20,980dating in in throuples is a thing are going to see that.110301:03:21,220 --> 01:03:23,580Whereas in the movie.110401:03:23,580 --> 01:03:28,900Sadie was there for a long like along for the ride the whole time, it seemed like110501:03:28,900 --> 01:03:33,420and even he got her to admit that she was into all of.110601:03:34,460 --> 01:03:37,860Yeah. While testing the lie detector, you know,110701:03:38,220 --> 01:03:41,180they definitely went a different route with the movie.110801:03:41,380 --> 01:03:45,220Yeah, there's probably there's probably a hidden reason beyond that.110901:03:45,220 --> 01:03:47,660Hopefully, what I'm thinking is the reason.111001:03:47,820 --> 01:03:51,860Well, I mean, for for me, paint him in a better light.111101:03:51,860 --> 01:03:55,620Yeah, it's. If you look at the true story,111201:03:56,260 --> 01:03:59,300which take that with maybe a grain of salt,111301:03:59,300 --> 01:04:04,500because we're dependent on so much of like family stories or diaries.111401:04:04,900 --> 01:04:09,220So but from what we know to be the true story.111501:04:10,820 --> 01:04:14,260Versus what was actually made into a movie.111601:04:15,020 --> 01:04:18,140I mean, at the end of the day, it's a movie and they need to sell tickets111701:04:18,140 --> 01:04:23,580and it needs to be attractive and sexy and oh, yeah, they them being separated111801:04:23,580 --> 01:04:27,660would have made the movie harder to get to the point.111901:04:28,300 --> 01:04:31,580It kind of you kind of needed all characters to be there to quickly112001:04:31,580 --> 01:04:35,740tell that story in the however many minutes that it is.112101:04:35,740 --> 01:04:37,820I think it's like, what, two hours?112201:04:37,820 --> 01:04:41,980Yeah. So it makes sense that they changed some.112301:04:43,340 --> 01:04:45,700Things. Yeah.112401:04:45,700 --> 01:04:48,620Yeah. Talked about a little bit of William Marsden.112501:04:48,620 --> 01:04:49,900And that's cool.112601:04:49,900 --> 01:04:51,380I mean, that's it, guys.112701:04:51,380 --> 01:04:53,820I did. I think it's fucking.112801:04:53,820 --> 01:04:54,740Sound to close it out.112901:04:54,740 --> 01:04:56,460Yeah, I think we got enough content.113001:04:56,460 --> 01:04:58,860Yeah, we kind of talked about a lot there.113101:05:00,300 --> 01:05:03,980Yeah. Went over his.113201:05:06,380 --> 01:05:10,980Very strange introduction to his relationship with all of.113301:05:11,700 --> 01:05:14,860That was not what I was expecting.113401:05:14,860 --> 01:05:18,220Yeah, I again, I113501:05:18,820 --> 01:05:23,500in the beginning of the story, you know, coming from the movie to the to the book113601:05:24,100 --> 01:05:28,900and doing the research, I very much was like, oh, he's a he's a hero of mine.113701:05:29,500 --> 01:05:32,020This guy's this guy sounds great. He's a go getter.113801:05:33,740 --> 01:05:35,780He is submissive.113901:05:35,900 --> 01:05:38,660This shows that like submissive men like aren't weak.114001:05:39,140 --> 01:05:41,300We're not simps necessarily.114101:05:41,300 --> 01:05:45,460Like we can be like out there business leaders going and getting stuff done.114201:05:45,460 --> 01:05:49,380And this is just who we are on a different level.114301:05:49,980 --> 01:05:51,260And then like.114401:05:51,740 --> 01:05:55,660There is key points in this story such as that right there.114501:05:55,660 --> 01:05:59,900And then we just dropped where I'm just like, oh, yeah.114601:05:59,900 --> 01:06:01,900So he also did this.114701:06:01,900 --> 01:06:02,900Yeah.114801:06:02,900 --> 01:06:09,780Well, but that's also it's I think it's easy for us to try to put people114901:06:09,780 --> 01:06:13,700like in this hero status of like, oh, they could do no bad.115001:06:13,700 --> 01:06:15,700Like they could do no wrong. They're perfect.115101:06:15,700 --> 01:06:18,140He was human. He was very much human.115201:06:19,260 --> 01:06:23,300Yeah, just like the rest of us. So, you know, that's funny.115301:06:23,580 --> 01:06:28,620We started off the story and it started very like historical informational.115401:06:28,940 --> 01:06:32,740And now it's really starting to get like kinky and sexual.115501:06:33,500 --> 01:06:38,740We're just like really getting into the part of like finally Wonder Woman.115601:06:38,740 --> 01:06:41,860Wonder Woman, like the really good parts of Wonder Woman.115701:06:42,380 --> 01:06:44,580And we just kind of cut it off, right?115801:06:44,900 --> 01:06:48,540We're leaving you guys off on a spicy part.115901:06:49,140 --> 01:06:55,220Yeah. Next episode, we might actually get to see the birth of Wonder Woman.116001:06:56,220 --> 01:06:57,620Oh, the next William R.116101:06:57,620 --> 01:07:00,700Snip. So you all have to stay tuned for that because it's going to be good.116201:07:00,860 --> 01:07:04,260Yeah. So also don't forget to check out our discord.116301:07:04,300 --> 01:07:06,180And we also have a Patreon.116401:07:06,180 --> 01:07:09,940And don't forget that you can always buy us a coffee on Ko-fi116501:07:10,420 --> 01:07:15,940or also listen to the audio only version on Spotify, Google.116601:07:17,300 --> 01:07:21,620And all of your other favorite podcast streaming services everywhere.116701:07:22,380 --> 01:07:26,460If there's a place where the podcast is not, let us know.116801:07:26,500 --> 01:07:28,340Yeah, let us know, please.116901:07:28,340 --> 01:07:30,260Yeah, anyways, it was fun.117001:07:30,260 --> 01:07:32,660It was real until next time.117101:07:32,660 --> 01:07:36,180Nikki Sapphire, it's your girl, Jenny Banks, signing out.117201:07:36,180 --> 01:07:38,580Stay kinky. That's an order.117301:07:38,580 --> 01:07:42,660But make sure that you actually have communication in your relationships.117401:07:42,660 --> 01:07:47,380Don't force anyone into a poly relationship or a kinky relationship.117501:07:48,180 --> 01:07:49,700But in general, stay kinky.117601:07:49,700 --> 01:07:52,100Just keep it kinky.117701:07:52,100 --> 01:07:54,420We fucking keep doing this every week.117801:07:54,420 --> 01:07:56,900We are a natural to some and.117901:07:56,900 --> 01:07:57,940Look at this shirt.118001:07:57,940 --> 01:08:00,500Look at this shirt.118101:08:00,500 --> 01:08:03,540Look at the shirt that probably shouldn't be on YouTube.118201:08:04,340 --> 01:08:09,300Look at this shirt that this is going to be in part of the outro, probably.118301:08:09,700 --> 01:08:11,780But yeah, thanks for listening.118401:08:11,780 --> 01:08:13,700We are a natural to some.118501:08:13,700 --> 01:08:31,620Take care.