Episode 5: Bathroom Talk

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Do you remember our first episode so long ago in a galaxy far, far away?900:00:50,480 --> 00:00:57,520Jay, I heard a little story that you had a bathroom experience recently.1000:00:57,520 --> 00:01:04,400Oh, no. Are they are they still talking about that at Target? It was one time. I had two1100:01:04,400 --> 00:01:11,840like many shots of espresso at Starbucks. It was a one time thing. Believe me, it was as uncomfortable1200:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,560for me as it was you. I'm sorry. I heard there was a lot of poop.1300:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,400Yeah. Oh, wait. No, not that time.1400:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,960We're talking about the gender neutral bathroom time. You know.1500:01:22,960 --> 00:01:24,400Oh. You're at some kind of1600:01:24,400 --> 00:01:30,400festival and you went to a gender neutral bathroom. It was like your first experience.1700:01:30,400 --> 00:01:36,160Yeah. So I was at SEIF, the Seattle Erotic Art Festival. Loved it. Great. Great time.1800:01:36,720 --> 00:01:44,160And yeah, it was my first time in a gender neutral bathroom, which I did not even know1900:01:44,160 --> 00:01:52,080that that was the thing until I was in it. To be honest, had a couple of drinks at night,2000:01:52,080 --> 00:01:58,960just kind of going with the flow. I went into the restroom, not really thinking anything about it.2100:01:59,920 --> 00:02:02,080You're there to do business. Yeah.2200:02:02,080 --> 00:02:07,760You're pretty much in and out unless there's Starbucks and shots of espresso.2300:02:07,760 --> 00:02:12,800Espresso. Yeah. You know, then there's messes. You just can't get out.2400:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,640But no. So. Another story.2500:02:16,640 --> 00:02:25,360But it was. Yeah, I went I went up to a urinal. I actually think when I was going into the restroom,2600:02:25,360 --> 00:02:32,240there I was behind someone that was dressed in a very feminine attire.2700:02:33,680 --> 00:02:39,600They went to, I believe, wash their hands at first. I went over to urinal. Then they came up2800:02:39,600 --> 00:02:45,360not right next to me. You know, that that would have been very odd if there's like 20 urinals open2900:02:45,360 --> 00:02:50,000and she's like right next to me. Yeah, because there's like 20 other open ones. Right.3000:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,240It's you don't get the one right next to someone that's like common etiquette.3100:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,960I do that with stalls. I do that with all. Yeah. Yeah.3200:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,440Like if I see someone go in one and they're all open, I'll go in like the one further down.3300:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,480Right. So there's rules. There's rules to follow. Unspoken rules that we all know.3400:03:06,480 --> 00:03:19,280Well, not everybody knows. That is true. That is true. But I believe they they came up to3500:03:20,160 --> 00:03:26,320I think maybe they left like a couple empty and then went to one. There were no like dividers3600:03:26,320 --> 00:03:34,800in between the urinals. They were all just like in a line. And yeah, it wasn't that big of a deal.3700:03:34,800 --> 00:03:40,880So at first, like I just kind of like glanced over. I'm doing my own thing because you're like,3800:03:41,440 --> 00:03:46,000oh, there's a woman peeing next to me. Yeah. So again, I had a couple of drinks.3900:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,840So it was one of those times where like I saw movement out of the corner of my eye. So I kind4000:03:51,840 --> 00:03:57,840of just like naturally looked. And then I was like, wait, what? And then like looked again.4100:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,840And you're like, oh, it's a woman at the urinal. It's not a normal thing to see,4200:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,640but classic double take, of course. It's not a it's not a common thing to see.4300:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,680Not a very common thing to see first time in my life. Yeah. But.4400:04:15,840 --> 00:04:21,440I didn't think it was that big of a deal. And I think if anything, I was like, oh, cool.4500:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,080Sweet. Like, wow, like everybody can use the bathroom here.4600:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,560Like what a what a kind of like a power move right now.4700:04:30,560 --> 00:04:35,920What a power move right now. Yeah. OK. But yeah, like I I didn't think it was4800:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,320that big of a deal. They're feeling intimidated by the urinal. It's like.4900:04:39,280 --> 00:04:45,680I mean, it's it's Seattle. Like, yeah, not as uncommon. No. Right. As other places.5000:04:45,680 --> 00:04:51,520But for us Floridians coming to out here, it is kind of different. It is kind of different. And5100:04:52,800 --> 00:05:00,320it's not surprising or shocking at all when you see multiple genders in one bathroom together5200:05:00,320 --> 00:05:06,240because everyone's just using the bathroom. It's right. Right. Like they're just using5300:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,600the bathroom. I mean, I'm making phone calls and doing my makeup.5400:05:10,320 --> 00:05:17,040There's one time I ate lunch in there. You know what I mean? Someone. No, no, no.5500:05:17,040 --> 00:05:22,720Once you're in your entire school life, you never had a depressing lunchtime.5600:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,400So we went to the bathroom. Oh, wait. So you're talking about high school? Well, yeah.5700:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,560I didn't want to get into it, but you guys never had like I have a question. What?5800:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,600What foods are best to eat in the bathroom? So there's that question.5900:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,400There's also a question of where you're going, number one or number two.6000:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,760What? I was just sad. OK, there's times where you get sad. You will be alone.6100:05:43,760 --> 00:05:48,640So you were hiding in the restroom. You weren't using the restroom as you're eating lunch.6200:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,080Yeah. See, I hid in the band room. I didn't hide in the toilet.6300:05:52,080 --> 00:05:57,200That's crazy, too, to think about. Like so many people think like the big argument with6400:05:57,200 --> 00:06:03,360trans people in the bathroom is, oh, they're just going to be in there putting our children's safety6500:06:03,360 --> 00:06:09,360at risk or putting other people's safety at risk. And it's crazy to me because for the longest time,6600:06:09,360 --> 00:06:14,560for me, the bathroom has been a place of like safekeeping, like where I can go and be alone.6700:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,600No one's going to bother me. I can be alone with my thoughts. I can6800:06:17,600 --> 00:06:24,080use the bathroom peacefully. No one's going to bother me. I have my private time. But everyone6900:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,960thinks when it comes to trans people in the bathroom that it's not it's like everyone's7000:06:28,960 --> 00:06:34,640not going to treat it as a private moment still. And that that baffles my mind. It's just people7100:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,800using the bathroom. There's nothing dangerous about us being in there.7200:06:38,800 --> 00:06:44,240No, I should be able if I want to, I should be able to go use the urinal and no one should be7300:06:44,240 --> 00:06:51,920and no one should be giving me flack about it. Right. I 100% agree. But most of the time,7400:06:52,480 --> 00:06:57,280I'm just I'm there to do my business and try to get out as quickly as possible.7500:06:57,280 --> 00:07:00,640I don't like to spend a lot of time in the bathroom. Yeah, I want to get in and out.7600:07:00,640 --> 00:07:07,440To me, it's kind of gross. I'm like, oh, like, let's leave. So yeah, so just yeah, everyone out7700:07:07,440 --> 00:07:16,480there. No, I did not get mugged or harmed or in the restroom. It was it was just like every7800:07:16,480 --> 00:07:22,800typical day in the restroom. There was no big deal. There was no conversation. I did my business.7900:07:22,800 --> 00:07:28,960They did their business. I hope both of us washed our hands afterwards. That's like that's my that's8000:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,040my biggest thing is make sure you wash your hands after the restroom. If anything, there should be8100:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,520a law against you not washing your hands. Yeah. After you use the restroom, especially Florida,8200:07:37,520 --> 00:07:43,040I think they should definitely be. Yeah. Looking at adding washing your hands laws, if anything.8300:07:43,840 --> 00:07:50,240Yeah. Oh, yeah. But instead, Florida is too busy trying to pass pass laws,8400:07:51,040 --> 00:07:59,520making it harder for trans people to use restrooms. Well, trans people don't even exist or8500:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,400gay people to be, you know. Well, that's that's what I'm confused about. Because you're not even8600:08:04,400 --> 00:08:12,880allowed to say it. You can't say it. But then you want to classify who can and cannot use the8700:08:12,880 --> 00:08:18,400restroom without saying it. It's very confusing. It's a very confusing time. It is confusing to me8800:08:19,040 --> 00:08:26,000that we're coming to a point in time where your genitalia is very important to dignify the gender8900:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,880that you are. Like people need to know what's between your legs. When I transitioned, I had9000:08:30,880 --> 00:08:36,480never been at a point in my life where people ask me about my genitalia like it's a normal public9100:08:37,040 --> 00:08:42,000happening. Like it's a normal question. You know, I'm not asking you anything inappropriate. I just9200:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,600want to know, do you have a penis? I just I just need to know. I just need to know. Do you have a9300:08:47,600 --> 00:08:57,920penis? But yeah, can't use the bathroom anymore in Florida. Yes. I mean, we can, but you have to be9400:08:57,920 --> 00:09:07,200careful. So it's headed towards the Senate. However, as it stands right now, if it did pass9500:09:07,200 --> 00:09:19,760the Senate, it would be a criminal offense for a person to use a restroom of the gender other than9600:09:19,760 --> 00:09:26,880what they were assigned to at birth. Right. And then it listed like a like a places that it applied9700:09:26,880 --> 00:09:34,000to and it was like private businesses, jails, hospitals, stuff like that. I kind of like wondered9800:09:34,000 --> 00:09:39,760what was left. I'm not really sure. Yeah, because I know like in some states where they banned it,9900:09:39,760 --> 00:09:45,360it would be like, well, the target that their policy is that you can use whatever. So it doesn't10000:09:45,360 --> 00:09:53,520matter that that's not going to count anymore. Basically, right? Not entirely sure. I would have10100:09:53,520 --> 00:10:00,240to like sit down and really look at the bill. Who's going to be inspecting people's genitalia10200:10:00,240 --> 00:10:09,040to make sure their genitalia matches their birth gender? And also, why? I guess it's because it is10300:10:09,040 --> 00:10:16,160Florida. But why is genitalia so important to people? Like, if you're not going to be like10400:10:16,160 --> 00:10:22,320interacting with them in a sexual manner, then why does it matter? Well, the big important thing10500:10:22,320 --> 00:10:30,080to take away there is now in those states where that's law, you have to meet, you have to be10600:10:30,080 --> 00:10:37,360in that society's idea of what female looks like for people to be comfortable with you in that10700:10:37,360 --> 00:10:43,520bathroom. Yeah, it's going to boil down to basically coming down to people's personal opinion of10800:10:44,160 --> 00:10:52,560if you pass. Yeah, which is crazy. And I also think, you know, you kind of ask like, who's going10900:10:52,560 --> 00:10:59,440to be inspecting people? Yeah, but people are going to be apples, sorry, but they will be in11000:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,300going to be like, Oh, I think this is a person using the11100:11:02,300 --> 00:11:04,380incorrect bathroom. I'm a call 911.11200:11:04,400 --> 00:11:09,180And really what those laws do is they protect those people that11300:11:09,180 --> 00:11:13,180are bigoted that want to get involved with your genitals.11400:11:13,980 --> 00:11:15,280That's who it protects.11500:11:15,460 --> 00:11:19,220Also, I'm just kind of I'm just kind of picturing this bogging11600:11:19,220 --> 00:11:26,080down law enforcement. So imagine you you're trying to go about11700:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,500your day, right? You have a schedule, you wake up in the11800:11:29,500 --> 00:11:33,180morning, you write three people tickets for speeding, you go and11900:11:33,180 --> 00:11:37,720you get a box of donuts, right? And then, you know, you're12000:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,560trying to respond, you're trying to save lives, or maybe, you12100:11:41,560 --> 00:11:44,920know, someone's in need, something like that. Oh, nope.12200:11:44,960 --> 00:11:49,880I'm responding to a 1093 at the target restroom because someone12300:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,720may be using the incorrect bathroom.12400:11:51,720 --> 00:11:57,800Grandma Martha over here is like having a panic attack because12500:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,000some trans persons in the bathroom got a Karen in the12600:12:00,000 --> 00:12:05,400bathroom, trying to get violent with a trans woman or mask12700:12:05,400 --> 00:12:10,040presenting. Yeah, or that's like it might come down to the point12800:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,840where they're like, Well, let me see your birth certificate. And12900:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,480that person's like, Well, here it is. Yeah, I have my handy13000:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,500dandy pocket sized birth certificate. Well, it's kind of13100:12:19,500 --> 00:12:23,320like, they're gonna have to start like frickin carrying your13200:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,880papers. I know. Yeah. Here are my gender papers. Here's my13300:12:26,880 --> 00:12:32,040gender papers. And I mean, ridiculous. I mean, no disrespect13400:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,880to our law enforcement. My my dad was a police officer. I'm13500:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,40099% sure he would 100% agree to me and probably say something13600:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,600like, this is stupid. It's probably what he would say.13700:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,800Yeah, it's a waste of resources and time. Yeah, they don't care.13800:12:47,800 --> 00:12:54,120They like showing up to a call like that. They're like, why? Oh,13900:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,760yeah, I should be doing something much more important14000:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,200than this. Yeah. Like, like stopping me from speeding or14100:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,200something. Oh, my gosh, it just, the thing that like popped into14200:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,400my head was like, remember, back in like elementary school or14300:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,480middle school, we'd have like hall patrols. Yeah, right. Like14400:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,480make sure you're like, make sure you're in class. Oh, do you14500:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,640have your pass? It's like, this might create more jobs for14600:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,440people. Yeah, they could be like, I could be the bathroom14700:13:22,440 --> 00:13:28,000monitor. Like a inspector. Yeah. Yeah. I'd take that job. I'm14800:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,520I'm very qualified for that job. It's like, what was that?14900:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,480What's the thing that they teach you in school? The golden rule?15000:13:35,760 --> 00:13:41,560Punch them in the face. The the other one. Just treat people how15100:13:41,560 --> 00:13:44,800you want to be treated. Yeah, you know, so you like to be15200:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,560respected in a certain way.15300:13:46,760 --> 00:13:51,440No. Well, you know, if you give a little respect, you'll get a15400:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,400little respect back. If you're going to ask me about my penis15500:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,040in public. Well, guess what? I'm going to ask about your penis in15600:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,960public. Very simple. Well, some of them might want that, though.15700:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,040This is true. And see, I was I was thinking about the other15800:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,240golden rule, just so everyone knows. If someone disrespects15900:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,960you, punch them in the face. I'm kidding.16000:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,680We don't advocate for violence on our on our show.16100:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,200We do not. I'm just kidding. Yeah.16200:14:17,680 --> 00:14:20,440When you get to know me, I'm always kind of the joke16300:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,120jokester of the crew. So.16400:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,480Is that so? Is that so? Oh, is that so?16500:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,680Are you sure about that? Are you sure about that?16600:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,200We need that button.16700:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,400The people are making a big deal out of the whole restroom16800:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,880argument. They're not viewing it the same way, obviously, as16900:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,440we are. Yeah. And I want to use a specific old terminology17000:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,560that I'm pretty sure is not accepted anymore today.17100:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,640But it it goes back to17200:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,920transsexuals.17300:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,640And I know a long time ago, it was kind of like a lot of17400:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,240people viewed it as being transsexual because they thought17500:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,520it was a sexual thing, not an actual gender identity.17600:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,120Right. And obviously, we've kind of been17700:15:07,120 --> 00:15:11,680improved, but I feel like they are stuck there in this sexual17800:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,200deviancy.17900:15:13,240 --> 00:15:17,800Well, using that type of terminology does kind of strip18000:15:17,800 --> 00:15:23,480us of our identity because they they boil it down to sexuality.18100:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,600I'm not a trans person because I identify that way.18200:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,680I'm a trans person because it's my sexuality.18300:15:29,720 --> 00:15:34,200Maybe that's what my sexuality drives this persona.18400:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,000I guess is what they're trying to say.18500:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,800Or maybe that helps them be able to justify hating us.18600:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,960Like, you know, instead of being like they're transgender people,18700:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,360be like they're transsexuals.18800:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,520Yeah, it makes it sounds more perverse than saying trans18900:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,040person. It does have a more negative connotation to it.19000:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,160So, of course, of course, they would prefer to use that term,19100:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,360especially if they're talking in public, you know, about it,19200:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,400like at like any kind of meeting or program.19300:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,440They're going to try to make us look bad. Right.19400:16:04,440 --> 00:16:05,600Or transvestites.19500:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,200I love that one, too, because then that just that just says it's19600:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,080a person dressing that way.19700:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,080Mm hmm. Yeah.19800:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,200Yeah. Terminology, terminology.19900:16:17,240 --> 00:16:22,040I do like the only times basically that happens20000:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,280very often in the restrooms that I do not feel safe.20100:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,200Or when there's little kids in the restroom.20200:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,200I'm not terrified of those little guys.20300:16:32,200 --> 00:16:33,200I'm terrified.20400:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,560No, they're always screaming.20500:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,720They're making a mess everywhere.20600:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,240They don't understand line systems.20700:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,920So you're like waiting in line. They just go in just like on a plane.20800:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,080Yeah. They're the worst on planes.20900:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,240Yeah. Oh, movies, movies.21000:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,840Yeah. I think if anything, they should just go in and do it.21100:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,560Yeah, I think if anything, they should just be banning children from places.21200:16:58,560 --> 00:17:03,360Yeah. To be completely honest, that would save everyone a lot of trouble.21300:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,760All this bathroom talk and stuff started from your experience21400:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,080in gender neutral bathroom at what was the show that you went to?21500:17:11,080 --> 00:17:16,800What was we kind of went on a whole little conversation or a side conversation?21600:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,240It's kind of like we forgot what we were talking about there for a moment.21700:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,280Never happens. We follow the script.21800:17:23,280 --> 00:17:24,640We follow the script.21900:17:24,640 --> 00:17:29,080We never get sidetracked and we never have side conversations or sidebars.22000:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,680Right. Right. Right.22100:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,800Never. Never. Yeah.22200:17:35,600 --> 00:17:40,760Anyways, see if the Seattle erotic art festival.22300:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,360How was that? Oh, yeah.22400:17:45,360 --> 00:17:48,360You're you're posting tons of pictures in the discord I saw.22500:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,000Yes. So that's actually a really good point.22600:17:51,000 --> 00:17:56,080If you want to kind of interact with us more or on a different level,22700:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,280I would say definitely check out our discord.22800:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,160There's links in all of our videos at the bottom on YouTube.22900:18:02,560 --> 00:18:08,280So. Yeah.23000:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,600So, for instance, I went to I went to the Seattle erotic art festival.23100:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,680I was taking tons of videos and everything like that,23200:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,920and I was just posting them in the discord server.23300:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,760I don't know if I don't know if you guys liked it or not, but I was doing it.23400:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,080And also some of those were spicy images.23500:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,680I liked them. Yeah.23600:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,360I was like, whoa, they all the bondage.23700:18:30,360 --> 00:18:31,800I was. Yeah. Oh, yeah.23800:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,440It was it was I like how they display it.23900:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,600Like, it's very art artsy, very artsy.24000:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,960So that will be.24100:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,560That's like one of the biggest things I really love about24200:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,000Shabari is that to me, it's not.24300:18:53,360 --> 00:18:54,680It's not sexual.24400:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,680It's not like.24500:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,840Perverse, it's not nudity for the sake of nudity.24600:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,640It's very artistic.24700:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,000You take a very simple person rope.24800:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,600And then you make like this beautiful art form,24900:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,360and there's so much that you can do with it.25000:19:14,360 --> 00:19:16,520And I think that's I'm kind of going to go back to the25100:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,600I'm kind of going on a little weird art tangent year.25200:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,920But I remember when I was in college in art class.25300:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,440There there was a we we were shown like a piece of art,25400:19:30,920 --> 00:19:35,400and it was, you know, very abstract paint, just kind of thrown on it.25500:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,760Somebody was like, how is that art?25600:19:37,760 --> 00:19:38,920How is that famous?25700:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,880I could do that, like, give me those colors and I can throw it on the canvas.25800:19:41,880 --> 00:19:47,160And the art teacher said the fact that you did not do it makes it art.25900:19:47,160 --> 00:19:47,760Yeah.26000:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,960So this is what one person did with very simple colors and a canvas.26100:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,760And to me, that's that's Shabari.26200:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,920That's very simple rope.26300:19:56,920 --> 00:20:02,000However, you can get very crazy with the knots and then suspension play26400:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,440and how how you tie somebody up.26500:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,040It's almost like endless.26600:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,640People are the canvas at that point.26700:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,720Yeah. And actually, there was a very, very26800:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,280there was a performance that I just loved so much.26900:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,040It was a Bob Ross performance. Really? Wow.27000:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,600Yeah. But but but Shabari, but Shabari.27100:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,240Oh, that's cool. Suspensions Shabari.27200:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,200Did he put happy little trees like how did that work?27300:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,240Did he tie them into happy little trees?27400:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,960Yes. Yes.27500:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,280In fact, he tied them up to a happy little tree.27600:20:36,680 --> 00:20:41,400No. So it started off kind of very playful.27700:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,400So you had Bob Ross painting a picture.27800:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,840You had a female kind of like trying to model and Bob Ross wasn't very happy.27900:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,000He was making a lot of mistakes.28000:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,640And eventually it leads into.28100:20:56,680 --> 00:21:03,920Him them him then using her kind of as a canvas, so tying her up,28200:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,600suspending her, putting paint on her,28300:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,640having her drip the paint onto the canvases below.28400:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,120And it was it was an amazing, amazing performance.28500:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,360I absolutely loved it.28600:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,680And they actually gave out the canvases to like the audience.28700:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,480And I have one. It's really cool.28800:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,360And they like autographed it and very, very nice.28900:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,320That sounds like a couple. You have to show us.29000:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,440That's yeah. Yeah. I don't think we got to see that part.29100:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,640But I definitely saw a lot of the pictures that you posted in the discord.29200:21:35,360 --> 00:21:36,600So it looked like a lot of fun.29300:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,960And I will say it's just the whole atmosphere.29400:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,800Right. So you go into a place.29500:21:44,600 --> 00:21:52,240And all of a sudden, the things that you like are 100 percent normal and accepted.29600:21:52,240 --> 00:21:58,480And by no means are you're kind of like the weird one in the group or in the room.29700:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,440You're you're surrounded by thousands of people that are just like you,29800:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,280that like the things that you like.29900:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,480And yeah, for me, it was just amazing.30000:22:08,480 --> 00:22:13,680I it's hard. It's hard to form into words when you're like in a space30100:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,680where you're so accepted. Yeah.30200:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,240And it's you don't have to worry.30300:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,000You know, there's no worry to.30400:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,680Express yourself the way you want to.30500:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,440Like you could walk around in a total Shabari rope30600:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,920like outfit, and that's it.30700:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,440And no one's going to look twice at you. Right.30800:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,240And openly talk about rope all you want with whoever.30900:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,160Because or dungeon stuff, you know, it's accepted amongst everyone there.31000:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,560Yeah. And you get to go and you get to like kind of sit31100:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,480and watch panels of people discussing about like porn today.31200:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,440I got to meet an author of a book.31300:22:52,240 --> 00:22:57,000A boy named Sue, and he was very nice to kind of get to know.31400:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,000I did know of the book before meeting him.31500:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,680So as soon as I like saw like author of A Boy Named Sue, I was like,31600:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,520oh, my gosh. Holy crap.31700:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,720I'm a big fan. And you know, for instance, like hearing his talk,31800:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,160it was really kind of uplifting31900:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,920him talking about his personal struggles of shedding the skin32000:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,680of who he pretended to be all these years and finally getting to be himself.32100:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,160And yeah, it's it was amazing.32200:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,000I definitely felt like, you know, I went to it and then32300:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,040yeah, going back to work Monday morning, it was like.32400:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,280You're like, why am I here? I want to go back.32500:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,360Just staring at like, you know, everything seemed kind of like colorless.32600:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,960Almost mundane. Yeah, mundane.32700:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,240And it was like, oh.32800:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,200Oh, can't can't top this.32900:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,040Seattle erotic art festival, you know. Yeah.33000:23:54,120 --> 00:23:57,480Yeah, it's it's a shame we didn't get to go this year, hopefully next year.33100:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,560Oh, however, I will say, however,33200:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,920even though, yes, I 100 percent.33300:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,360Believe you two should have went, I think you would have enjoyed it very much.33400:24:10,360 --> 00:24:14,360We are going all three of us to a Shabari class.33500:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,680Oh, yeah, that's right. You got to signed up, right?33600:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,240Yes, I believe it's in July.33700:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,160I would need a double check to say that.33800:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,640Yeah, that's going to be really exciting.33900:24:23,640 --> 00:24:29,120Maybe we'll get some clips and post on the natural some YouTube page.34000:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,200Maybe I'll start calling it you to you to yes. Yeah.34100:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,120On the UTS on the on the UTS YouTube page.34200:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,760Yeah, that's exciting.34300:24:41,120 --> 00:24:45,840Maybe we can ask and see if there's a policy on videotaping.34400:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,400I will have to double check.34500:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,240It's a very small class.34600:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,520It's reserved for, I believe, eight couples.34700:24:54,000 --> 00:24:59,040Obviously, they don't want probably pictures and filming of other groups34800:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,000and stuff, but oh, yeah, just you.34900:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,000It'll all be a matter of consent and who's OK with it.35000:25:04,360 --> 00:25:06,280It's but we'll have to talk with them.35100:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,320But yeah, that'd be super cool. Yeah.35200:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,440I'm excited. I'm very excited.35300:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,920I like getting learning and showing what we've learned.35400:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,120Yeah, be really cool.35500:25:19,120 --> 00:25:22,480No. Seattle Erotic Art Festival.35600:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,520Yeah, anything else to add to it?35700:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,800Oh, like was your was your favorite part?35800:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,040You did talk a lot about the Bob Rouse exhibit,35900:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,000but like, is there anything else that really stood out?36000:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,840And I know you also met someone, an author of a book that you read.36100:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,720But come on, there's got to be something else.36200:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,560You know, there's got to be there's nothing else.36300:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,840It's it's really hard.36400:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,200Like. So obviously, it's an36500:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,600maybe I should just kind of explain it a little bit more.36600:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,280So it isn't an art festival, so you do get to walk around36700:26:01,280 --> 00:26:06,400and see submitted pieces of art and different forms and formats.36800:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,800OK, so for me, I've always been very.36900:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,160More artistic, if you will, so I love drawing.37000:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,560So I love walking around looking at art.37100:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,440I, for instance, they did have a section off to the side37200:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,160where they had like nude models that would do different poses37300:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,240and you would sit there and sketch them.37400:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,480I sat there for a few of those and did some sketch work.37500:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,360No, I'm not going to share them.37600:26:33,360 --> 00:26:38,880So that's something that I'm always very kind of like.37700:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,800I always think I'm like my biggest critic.37800:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,520My wife thinks I should go and sell art and do stuff with my art.37900:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,120And I'm always like, no, I don't even think we've seen it yet.38000:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,760Yeah, but anyway, you're.38100:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,640Why are you scared?38200:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,720It's it's a little shy.38300:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,320I it's not necessarily a shy thing.38400:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,640It's when I get done with a piece of art, I look at it38500:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,760and I just see like the imperfections.38600:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,600It's hard for you to see a project is done.38700:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,240Yeah, that makes sense.38800:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,200So I'm always like, oh, I would do this differently.38900:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,320Let me redo it.39000:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,480And then I'm like, oh, I would do that differently.39100:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,560Let me redo it.39200:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,320Oh, and then it's just like it never to me is 100 percent done.39300:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,160I mean, I think I think a lot of art is kind of trial and error.39400:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,520Yeah, yeah, I feel the same.39500:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,840I want to make music or even editing the podcast.39600:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,480Sometimes when I finish it, like, oh, whatever, I'm just going to let go.39700:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,520Because like if I keep editing and editing and editing it,39800:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,760it won't be that original creation I saw in my mind.39900:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,720It will be something totally different and probably worse40000:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,240than what I originally had.40100:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,720Because sometimes the first iteration of something is your best iteration.40200:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,120It's just you're over you're overlooking it because you think40300:27:56,120 --> 00:27:57,680you're just over criticizing yourself.40400:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,120Yeah. And I think I think for like work, it's a little different.40500:28:02,120 --> 00:28:07,920So like when I'm typing up like an engineering report, I'm very much40600:28:07,920 --> 00:28:08,920there is like it.40700:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,200I do want it to be perfect.40800:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,440But there is a cut off point where it's like I've spent too much time on it.40900:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,160Submit it. I turn it in.41000:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,440Same with college, you know, like writing reports.41100:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,360It's like, OK, there's there has to be like a you're done.41200:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,840With the podcast, I will say I kind of struggled with like the William Marston41300:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,520series. It took so long for us to kind of get that41400:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,840going because I was always like, no, I need to like I need it.41500:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,200I need to make changes to it. I need to change this.41600:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,600I need to do that, like in my actual notes.41700:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,640And I also was like trying to like figure out how I was going to like present41800:28:44,640 --> 00:28:45,640the information.41900:28:46,400 --> 00:28:52,640I think that was good, though, that we we started, you know, a few episodes42000:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,080and on the series because, you know, it gave us a chance to kind of like get42100:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,080into a groove. Yeah.42200:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,120Shooting, you know, like the William Marston series.42300:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,120May have been a little.42400:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,400I know a little bad42500:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,720for our first, you know, a couple of episodes just because we didn't have42600:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,800like a group. We didn't even have like a natural like element to our podcast42700:29:12,800 --> 00:29:18,720yet. Like I know you and I, we've been friends for many years, but it's like42800:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,200adding a new friend to our group, you know, like it's going to take a while to42900:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,600form that chemistry.43000:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,600Right. And yeah, I also think like we're still very much trying to find our43100:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,840voice, establish who we are as a podcast.43200:29:32,840 --> 00:29:38,200And then we we jump into this very daunting like research project.43300:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,360Yeah. Like William Marston go like, OK.43400:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,800Yeah, this seems like a like a college paper that you would be doing for like,43500:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,520you know.43600:29:47,880 --> 00:29:48,880A big grade.43700:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,720Yeah, like a final, you know, a final project.43800:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,840But if you haven't checked it out already, the the first episode is actually43900:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,400published on YouTube and Spotify and all the other podcasts.44000:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,200We'll get into that later. But yeah, so go check it out.44100:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,360Yeah. Part three will be coming out soon.44200:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,360So make sure you go take a look.44300:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,760But just to wrap up, Steve, they had a main stage with burlesque44400:30:16,000 --> 00:30:23,000performances, some strip teases, panels talking about stuff.44500:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,520That was going to be my other question.44600:30:24,520 --> 00:30:25,520Was there nudity?44700:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,520Yes. OK.44800:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,480But tasteful nudity.44900:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,320They did. I did not go to this.45000:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,120It was a I believe at a different venue.45100:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,600They had the.45200:30:38,240 --> 00:30:43,240Trying to remember what it was called, but essentially it was an amateur.45300:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,840Erotic film like a short film that you could submit.45400:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,680Oh, and you could go and watch all the short films.45500:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,440Like a film festival kind of thing.45600:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,720Yes. And it was cool.45700:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,320Is it like soft core?45800:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,840Film festival. Like, how does that work?45900:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,920So I I was told that it was it was very.46000:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,080Dependent on who submitted what could be pornographic.46100:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,360It was pornographic is what I was told.46200:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,680Oh, I didn't go.46300:31:12,680 --> 00:31:18,440I was too much like nerding out over art and wrote art and wrote.46400:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,640Yeah, that's fair.46500:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,920And that's the thing. Right.46600:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,720So you have these chase over there with art and rope46700:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,240and the pair of really large titties walks by.46800:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,680He's like, yeah.46900:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,760Oh, and that's hope.47000:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,920And that's like that's the thing is you have these different corners47100:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,040where stuff is always going on.47200:31:37,040 --> 00:31:43,040So I specifically for the most part kind of sat in the Shabari area47300:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,240and kind of hung out there for the most part.47400:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,560So there was there was a lot of other stuff going on that I kind of missed.47500:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,560Oh, yeah.47600:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,760But I did. I did see, for instance, there's there's people dressed.47700:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,520However, you could imagine. Right.47800:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,840There's cool. There's people dressed in latex from head to toe.47900:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,200Laundry. Laundry.48000:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,960So you get excited for next year.48100:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,960Yeah, I did.48200:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,120Like I did ask one person like, hey, I love your outfit.48300:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,120Like, where did you get that?48400:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,800Because it was kind of like a mid-eastern style.48500:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,520I love your outfit. Like, where did you get that? Because it was kind of like a48600:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,560medieval chainmail.48700:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,920Oh, yeah. Oh, that sounds really cool.48800:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,080Where did you get this? Did they make it?48900:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,520They bought it off Etsy.49000:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,800Ah, that's one of the best things on Etsy.49100:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,920Yeah, that's where we got our49200:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,560Queen Maeve and Starlight cosplays from.49300:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,120They were expensive, but handmade.49400:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,920Yeah, really good. Well worth it.49500:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,080Well worth it. Yeah.49600:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,960I mean, if you haven't seen it, go check out her Instagram.49700:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,960I wish Etsy had a wish list.49800:32:43,960 --> 00:32:44,960They do.49900:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,480No, I mean, I mean, like, like a public.50000:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,600Yeah, because, you know, like, in case your fans want to, like,50100:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,800get you something off of there.50200:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,640Yeah, that'd be nice.50300:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,320Sounds like you had a really good time there.50400:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,880And next year, it'll be really fun because I'm going to wear the hottest outfit.50500:33:02,880 --> 00:33:10,400And I'm going to maybe we can submit something for, like, the video festival.50600:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,240Maybe or or even like try to get our podcast on there.50700:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,600There I did actually make a few connections.50800:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,120I can't promise anything.50900:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,240I am. Yeah.51000:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,080I am trying to reach out to get some of those people on our podcast.51100:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,560That would be wonderful.51200:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,960And as a personal goal, goal, I did state, oh,51300:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,040I will be submitting artwork.51400:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,880Oh, so you will submit artwork like the artwork that you're like,51500:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,800oh, I want to submit it.51600:33:42,800 --> 00:33:43,800I'm going to.51700:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,080You got to get over your shyness.51800:33:45,080 --> 00:33:45,880You got to.51900:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,720If you that's the thing, your artwork might be way better than you think it is.52000:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,080And you might have like a huge fan base waiting to see it.52100:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,560I don't think it's a shyness.52200:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,920I think it's a perfectionist.52300:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,360Yeah. Yeah. Very critical of what I personally do.52400:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,400That's what I took from that, too. Yeah.52500:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,440Mixed with the little shyness.52600:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,880Just a little. A smidge.52700:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,560So, yeah, we have a discord.52800:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,720If you want to join our discord52900:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,440and talk about the Seattle Erotic Art Festival.53000:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,840And I do want to point out, so I have been a part of discords53100:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,080where the content creators or the owners,53200:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,200they don't really interact with the members of their discord.53300:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,600I know often we get very kind of busy with all the other stuff that we do.53400:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,920However, I do say we are pretty active in our discord.53500:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,480For instance, we did like the live stream53600:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,680only for our discord where we jumped on and anyone on the discord could join53700:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,720and ask us questions and just chat and mingle.53800:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,160And for the most part, we're kind of in there.53900:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,880At least one of us every day kind of just chatting or posting.54000:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,560So if you all need to reach us or talk about anything,54100:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,760that's definitely where to try to get us.54200:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,000We'll try to, you know, respond.54300:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,480Yeah. And if there's topics that you think that we should talk about,54400:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,320that's the best place to get us that information.54500:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,160Aside from like CF, I know we had other things to talk about,54600:35:24,480 --> 00:35:25,760mostly trans related.54700:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,960Nikki was going to bring something up54800:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,120about a representative, a representative in Montana.54900:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,120Oh, yeah.55000:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,760So a representative in Montana who happens to be transgender.55100:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,920Oh, wow. Was voted to be removed from the floor, like the room.55200:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,960So like she can't go to like work at her seat anymore.55300:35:48,280 --> 00:35:53,840Can't like talk or even be in the in the area or in the room.55400:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,520Sorry. Right. Right.55500:35:55,520 --> 00:36:01,400So apparently it's because she wouldn't apologize for a comment that she made.55600:36:01,600 --> 00:36:08,360She was, you know, advocating for gender affirming care.55700:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,520Of course. You know, for.55800:36:11,720 --> 00:36:12,840Fighting for people.55900:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,560Yeah. For, you know, transgender people to representing her people more like.56000:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,800Right. And she was, you know, selected by the people to represent.56100:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,960Yeah. Right. Right. Representing.56200:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,720Yeah. Her job. Yeah.56300:36:26,720 --> 00:36:31,280So that bill was passed.56400:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,320And she was upset about it.56500:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,320And she. Which bill was that?56600:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,520The one banning it.56700:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,160Banning. Oh, gender affirming care.56800:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,360That's right. Sorry. Right. So.56900:36:45,240 --> 00:36:51,520She said to everyone in the room, you know, next time you bow your head in prayer,57000:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,240know that the blood on your hands is yours.57100:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,240Powerful statement. I mean, yeah, it's true, because like.57200:36:57,960 --> 00:37:04,920Then passing, trying voting together to pass a bill like that is literally putting57300:37:04,920 --> 00:37:11,320a lot of our community at risk because they see that as people don't accept us.57400:37:11,320 --> 00:37:17,280People hate us. We get depressed and some of us hurt ourselves because of this.57500:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,600And some of us end up taking our lives.57600:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,200And I guarantee you, there's a lot of people that already have.57700:37:23,440 --> 00:37:30,440Yeah, I mean, not being allowed to exist in the way that you want to exist,57800:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,800not being seen in the way that you want to be seen.57900:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,800That's that's hard for a lot of people.58000:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,440And. Yeah, people hurt themselves.58100:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,440It's unfortunate. I can't believe.58200:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,520I can't believe they even like I don't know much about like right now.58300:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,120And I don't know much about like represent House representatives58400:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,560or anything of that sort or career politicians.58500:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,080But I can't believe they were able to just vote her out.58600:37:57,080 --> 00:38:05,000Like, well, so conservatives hold two thirds of that establishment.58700:38:05,000 --> 00:38:12,160So so when she decided not to apologize, you know, like you have to say you're sorry.58800:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,760And she's like, no, I'm not going to say I'm sorry.58900:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,840This is how I feel.59000:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,680It's not like she was being rude about it.59100:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,440She was just being honest. Yeah.59200:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,680So but two thirds didn't like that.59300:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,560And they quickly voted her to leave.59400:38:26,320 --> 00:38:31,040And she's. You know, having to do her job remotely now.59500:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,640Yeah. How do you feel about that, Jay?59600:38:33,640 --> 00:38:39,320I know you're not. Trans, but I don't like politics at all.59700:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,440Me neither. I saw like a lot of the only reason why we brought it up59800:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,160is because she is trans and she's just a couple of states over.59900:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,480These are like our neighbors. Yeah.60000:38:49,480 --> 00:38:56,080If if we get into politics at all, it usually heavily deals with either BDSM60100:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,600relating to Jay or trans or it has to deal with us in some way.60200:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,280We don't just bring up politics to bring up politics.60300:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,520And if we do, it's usually to make fun of politics60400:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,520or poke fun at it.60500:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,600But yeah, it's just it's another trans person60600:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,040standing up and being silenced, trying to do the right thing for her and her people.60700:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,120You know, yeah.60800:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,080It's getting scary out there in America, but we're not people.60900:39:27,880 --> 00:39:34,480So I think I'm a weird alien creature from a different planet.61000:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,000I mean, does that go back to the old terminology of transsexuals?61100:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,200Like and dehumanization.61200:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,920And again, I always when I see people that are fighting against trans rights,61300:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,400they always seem to be much older than us. Oh.61400:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,120And I kind of just wonder, like, is that is it part of the terminology?61500:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,440I mean, and supremely, they're either much older than us61600:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,960or younger and supremely religious.61700:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,720It's just those back in my day people, you know.61800:40:04,720 --> 00:40:14,520Yeah. But see, the mental health counselor61900:40:14,520 --> 00:40:21,280that I was lucky to work with, both on passing62000:40:21,440 --> 00:40:27,000some very positive mental health things for students of the college62100:40:27,000 --> 00:40:32,680that I went to and then also the person, the same person that I went to.62200:40:32,680 --> 00:40:39,680To get get help about my kind of kinky BDSM side.62300:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,480She was very religious, and I should say it still is very religious.62400:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,880She never pushed her religion onto me.62500:40:51,280 --> 00:40:56,680She at the end of the day, she wanted to help me62600:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,960become the best person that I could be.62700:40:59,960 --> 00:41:03,400And she she kind of viewed it as.62800:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,800You know, I might not 100 percent agree with your lifestyle.62900:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,280However, if you need help, I'm going to help you63000:41:12,600 --> 00:41:18,320and I'm going to help you accept who you are rather than trying to change you.63100:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,200And I feel like a lot of religious people.63200:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,680Miss that point, right?63300:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,480Yeah. Well, they may be a little bit more63400:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,240point, right? Yeah. Well, they make it about themselves.63500:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,240Yeah, they don't.63600:41:33,240 --> 00:41:35,600They're like, Jesus wants you to change.63700:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,160You're never really a factor in those situations.63800:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,920It's all about how you make them feel as a person. Yeah.63900:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,520And they're, you know, is this sin?64000:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,120Am I sinning by helping this person?64100:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,960And actually, another person that I was speaking with.64200:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,160They were very kind of curious about BDSM and stuff.64300:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,000They were also very religious.64400:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,360And, you know, I was they would ask questions64500:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,880and we would talk and talk and talk and talk about it.64600:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,560And then finally, one time I just asked, I was like, you know, I64700:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,600I have to ask you a question here.64800:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,040Like, you're very curious.64900:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,840You're asking all these questions.65000:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,520Like, how do you how do you feel about this topic with you being so religious?65100:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,600And he pretty much was like, you know, I might not agree with it,65200:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,320but it's something I don't know anything about and I'm very curious.65300:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,720And also he was like, I'm not going to push my religion onto you.65400:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,160But if you go back and you look at the scripture, Jesus,65500:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,040the people that he hung out with were sinners.65600:42:40,720 --> 00:42:42,680He hung out with sinners all the time.65700:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,960And it was more how he viewed it.65800:42:45,600 --> 00:42:51,080He said it was more so about just trying to be a positive person.65900:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,840To be a positive influence around them.66000:42:55,560 --> 00:43:00,880And not so much like trying to like cast that first stone, if you will,66100:43:01,240 --> 00:43:05,520and kind of demonize what they were doing and trying to change them.66200:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,960It was like just trying to get to know like who they were, where they came from.66300:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,560Exactly. And then just being a positive influence.66400:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,320And then if you wanted to change, hey, you feel comfortable.66500:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,840You can come talk to me about religion and stuff like that.66600:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,880But I'm not going to push it on you.66700:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,120Yeah. And me and me and Jenny, we don't like hate religious people.66800:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,800Oh, no, definitely not.66900:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,040In fact, I love talking to religious people that love talking to me67000:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,120because I feel like it's educational on both sides.67100:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,560You know, sometimes they give me a piece of the Bible that I never knew about.67200:43:36,720 --> 00:43:40,840And sometimes most times I give them information about trans people67300:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,480that wakes them up. They're like, holy crap.67400:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,680Wow. They're just people.67500:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,000And then they realize some people will realize that they can be religious67600:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,760and accept every human as the way they want to be.67700:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,680Just because you think my life is sin doesn't mean you have to push that upon me.67800:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,720You can keep that to yourself and still be my friend and still enjoy life.67900:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,720You know, like, let's let's worry about now here68000:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,760where we're presently at in the one life that we have. Yeah.68100:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,440Definitely.68200:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,040So I think that kind of wraps up things that we're talking about today.68300:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,720But we had it we had a pretty pretty much everywhere today. But yeah,68400:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,480we we've been having a lot of activity in our discord lately,68500:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,280and we've been kind of posting in there often.68600:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,400Jay was talking about earlier an episode how he has been posting68700:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,640the Seattle erotic art festival pictures in there.68800:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,600Nikki's been posting selfies and I've been that doesn't sound like me.68900:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,960I've been trying to be kind of active with all the editing.69000:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,400Hey, something if you all are interested, we do live streams69100:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,040on our discord with our fans.69200:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,840If you want to talk to us, we're still trying to decide on days69300:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,600that work best for everybody.69400:44:52,600 --> 00:44:57,040But if that's something that you'd like to participate in, join our discord69500:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,000and you can chat to us, you know, in person. Yeah, definitely.69600:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,600And live stream went pretty well, too. Yeah. Thanks to69700:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,560the one fan that came out there and joined us.69800:45:07,560 --> 00:45:12,400You know who you are. Yeah, you know who you are. Yeah, you do.69900:45:12,400 --> 00:45:18,520I also want to point out that obviously you can watch the podcast on YouTube,70000:45:18,520 --> 00:45:23,640but you can also go to Spotify, Amazon Music, Samsung Podcasts.70100:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,640Most podcast streaming services have a podcast platform,70200:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,960Apple Podcasts, Podcasts, index.70300:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,280If it exists, it should be there.70400:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,880We have our RSS feed. We have so many podcast sources.70500:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,520You could just catch us podcasting podcasts.70600:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,880And we have a Patreon.70700:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,720We do have a Patreon.70800:45:47,720 --> 00:45:51,080And also, if you enjoy the content that we create,70900:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,360please go buy us a coffee on Ko-fi.71000:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,880Oh, yeah. What? Wait, hold on.71100:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,920Is it really called Ko-fi because you just buying people coffee?71200:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,720Ko-fi coffee.71300:46:00,720 --> 00:46:04,360Or is that like is that like a patron kind of thing?71400:46:05,240 --> 00:46:07,400That's its own thing. It's its own thing.71500:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,040You can just do a one time donation.71600:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,560So like all the stuff that I was like looking at on Discord,71700:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,640it was all sub base, like doing subscriptions.71800:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,520Oh, OK. So it's kind of like Patreon.71900:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,440I thought it was literally because it's named Ko-fi.72000:46:21,440 --> 00:46:22,800You made a joke. You want to know?72100:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,920Never mind. But somebody tipped us money for coffee.72200:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,200Oh, they did. Yeah.72300:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,480Cringelord.72400:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,200Why aren't we drinking our coffee right now?72500:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,080Cringelord, thank you for your donation on Ko-fi for coffee.72600:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,440Yeah.72700:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,160Well, coffee helps us.72800:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,720Coffee keeps us awake.72900:46:39,720 --> 00:46:44,520And special thanks to Atiyo, who recommended the AI.73000:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,320Oh, my God. Oh, my God.73100:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,400It's been saving my life. Oh, my God.73200:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,000You have no idea.73300:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,120So much time is being saved now.73400:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,840Yeah, just make sure you're catching us for our live updates on Twitter.73500:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,800If you want to catch more of us talking one on one,73600:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,440things of that nature, maybe share some food porn or, you know,73700:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,960your selfies, memes or all that nonsense.73800:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,160We got Discord.73900:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,000All the links will be down below, of course.74000:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,360Make sure you subscribe and hit the bell notification74100:47:12,360 --> 00:47:18,320because that will let you know when we're going to post a new video or short.74200:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,080And I'll give you an email notification.74300:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,120So, yeah, just click that bell.74400:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,400Also, we love all of you for trying to support us staying74500:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,400active in our Discord, giving us suggestions.74600:47:29,400 --> 00:47:30,400We love it all.74700:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,640Thank you. Thank you so much.74800:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,680So this has been an Unnatural Assum podcast.74900:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,680Thank you for joining us on our talk about the Seattle Erotic Art Festival75000:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,280and a couple other sidebar conversations,75100:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,400including about Zoe Zephyr and Florida bathroom walls.75200:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,400I hate that. Anyway, I've been Jayden Banks.75300:47:50,400 --> 00:47:51,400See you later.75400:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,400Stay kinky. That's an order.75500:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,400Until next time, I'm Nikki Zephyr.75600:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,400Thank you.