Episode 5: Bathroom Talk

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Do you remember our first episode so long ago in a galaxy far, far away? 9 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:57,520 Jay, I heard a little story that you had a bathroom experience recently. 10 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:04,400 Oh, no. Are they are they still talking about that at Target? It was one time. I had two 11 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:11,840 like many shots of espresso at Starbucks. It was a one time thing. Believe me, it was as uncomfortable 12 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,560 for me as it was you. I'm sorry. I heard there was a lot of poop. 13 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,400 Yeah. Oh, wait. No, not that time. 14 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,960 We're talking about the gender neutral bathroom time. You know. 15 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:24,400 Oh. You're at some kind of 16 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:30,400 festival and you went to a gender neutral bathroom. It was like your first experience. 17 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:36,160 Yeah. So I was at SEIF, the Seattle Erotic Art Festival. Loved it. Great. Great time. 18 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:44,160 And yeah, it was my first time in a gender neutral bathroom, which I did not even know 19 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:52,080 that that was the thing until I was in it. To be honest, had a couple of drinks at night, 20 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:58,960 just kind of going with the flow. I went into the restroom, not really thinking anything about it. 21 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:02,080 You're there to do business. Yeah. 22 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:07,760 You're pretty much in and out unless there's Starbucks and shots of espresso. 23 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:12,800 Espresso. Yeah. You know, then there's messes. You just can't get out. 24 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,640 But no. So. Another story. 25 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:25,360 But it was. Yeah, I went I went up to a urinal. I actually think when I was going into the restroom, 26 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:32,240 there I was behind someone that was dressed in a very feminine attire. 27 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:39,600 They went to, I believe, wash their hands at first. I went over to urinal. Then they came up 28 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:45,360 not right next to me. You know, that that would have been very odd if there's like 20 urinals open 29 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:50,000 and she's like right next to me. Yeah, because there's like 20 other open ones. Right. 30 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,240 It's you don't get the one right next to someone that's like common etiquette. 31 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,960 I do that with stalls. I do that with all. Yeah. Yeah. 32 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,440 Like if I see someone go in one and they're all open, I'll go in like the one further down. 33 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,480 Right. So there's rules. There's rules to follow. Unspoken rules that we all know. 34 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:19,280 Well, not everybody knows. That is true. That is true. But I believe they they came up to 35 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:26,320 I think maybe they left like a couple empty and then went to one. There were no like dividers 36 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:34,800 in between the urinals. They were all just like in a line. And yeah, it wasn't that big of a deal. 37 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:40,880 So at first, like I just kind of like glanced over. I'm doing my own thing because you're like, 38 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:46,000 oh, there's a woman peeing next to me. Yeah. So again, I had a couple of drinks. 39 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,840 So it was one of those times where like I saw movement out of the corner of my eye. So I kind 40 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:57,840 of just like naturally looked. And then I was like, wait, what? And then like looked again. 41 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,840 And you're like, oh, it's a woman at the urinal. It's not a normal thing to see, 42 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,640 but classic double take, of course. It's not a it's not a common thing to see. 43 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,680 Not a very common thing to see first time in my life. Yeah. But. 44 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:21,440 I didn't think it was that big of a deal. And I think if anything, I was like, oh, cool. 45 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,080 Sweet. Like, wow, like everybody can use the bathroom here. 46 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,560 Like what a what a kind of like a power move right now. 47 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:35,920 What a power move right now. Yeah. OK. But yeah, like I I didn't think it was 48 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,320 that big of a deal. They're feeling intimidated by the urinal. It's like. 49 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:45,680 I mean, it's it's Seattle. Like, yeah, not as uncommon. No. Right. As other places. 50 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:51,520 But for us Floridians coming to out here, it is kind of different. It is kind of different. And 51 00:04:52,800 --> 00:05:00,320 it's not surprising or shocking at all when you see multiple genders in one bathroom together 52 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:06,240 because everyone's just using the bathroom. It's right. Right. Like they're just using 53 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,600 the bathroom. I mean, I'm making phone calls and doing my makeup. 54 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:17,040 There's one time I ate lunch in there. You know what I mean? Someone. No, no, no. 55 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:22,720 Once you're in your entire school life, you never had a depressing lunchtime. 56 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,400 So we went to the bathroom. Oh, wait. So you're talking about high school? Well, yeah. 57 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,560 I didn't want to get into it, but you guys never had like I have a question. What? 58 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,600 What foods are best to eat in the bathroom? So there's that question. 59 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,400 There's also a question of where you're going, number one or number two. 60 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,760 What? I was just sad. OK, there's times where you get sad. You will be alone. 61 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:48,640 So you were hiding in the restroom. You weren't using the restroom as you're eating lunch. 62 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,080 Yeah. See, I hid in the band room. I didn't hide in the toilet. 63 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:57,200 That's crazy, too, to think about. Like so many people think like the big argument with 64 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:03,360 trans people in the bathroom is, oh, they're just going to be in there putting our children's safety 65 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:09,360 at risk or putting other people's safety at risk. And it's crazy to me because for the longest time, 66 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:14,560 for me, the bathroom has been a place of like safekeeping, like where I can go and be alone. 67 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,600 No one's going to bother me. I can be alone with my thoughts. I can 68 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:24,080 use the bathroom peacefully. No one's going to bother me. I have my private time. But everyone 69 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,960 thinks when it comes to trans people in the bathroom that it's not it's like everyone's 70 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:34,640 not going to treat it as a private moment still. And that that baffles my mind. It's just people 71 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,800 using the bathroom. There's nothing dangerous about us being in there. 72 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:44,240 No, I should be able if I want to, I should be able to go use the urinal and no one should be 73 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:51,920 and no one should be giving me flack about it. Right. I 100% agree. But most of the time, 74 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:57,280 I'm just I'm there to do my business and try to get out as quickly as possible. 75 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:00,640 I don't like to spend a lot of time in the bathroom. Yeah, I want to get in and out. 76 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:07,440 To me, it's kind of gross. I'm like, oh, like, let's leave. So yeah, so just yeah, everyone out 77 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:16,480 there. No, I did not get mugged or harmed or in the restroom. It was it was just like every 78 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:22,800 typical day in the restroom. There was no big deal. There was no conversation. I did my business. 79 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:28,960 They did their business. I hope both of us washed our hands afterwards. That's like that's my that's 80 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,040 my biggest thing is make sure you wash your hands after the restroom. If anything, there should be 81 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,520 a law against you not washing your hands. Yeah. After you use the restroom, especially Florida, 82 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:43,040 I think they should definitely be. Yeah. Looking at adding washing your hands laws, if anything. 83 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:50,240 Yeah. Oh, yeah. But instead, Florida is too busy trying to pass pass laws, 84 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:59,520 making it harder for trans people to use restrooms. Well, trans people don't even exist or 85 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,400 gay people to be, you know. Well, that's that's what I'm confused about. Because you're not even 86 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:12,880 allowed to say it. You can't say it. But then you want to classify who can and cannot use the 87 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:18,400 restroom without saying it. It's very confusing. It's a very confusing time. It is confusing to me 88 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:26,000 that we're coming to a point in time where your genitalia is very important to dignify the gender 89 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,880 that you are. Like people need to know what's between your legs. When I transitioned, I had 90 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:36,480 never been at a point in my life where people ask me about my genitalia like it's a normal public 91 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:42,000 happening. Like it's a normal question. You know, I'm not asking you anything inappropriate. I just 92 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,600 want to know, do you have a penis? I just I just need to know. I just need to know. Do you have a 93 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:57,920 penis? But yeah, can't use the bathroom anymore in Florida. Yes. I mean, we can, but you have to be 94 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:07,200 careful. So it's headed towards the Senate. However, as it stands right now, if it did pass 95 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:19,760 the Senate, it would be a criminal offense for a person to use a restroom of the gender other than 96 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:26,880 what they were assigned to at birth. Right. And then it listed like a like a places that it applied 97 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:34,000 to and it was like private businesses, jails, hospitals, stuff like that. I kind of like wondered 98 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:39,760 what was left. I'm not really sure. Yeah, because I know like in some states where they banned it, 99 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:45,360 it would be like, well, the target that their policy is that you can use whatever. So it doesn't 100 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:53,520 matter that that's not going to count anymore. Basically, right? Not entirely sure. I would have 101 00:09:53,520 --> 00:10:00,240 to like sit down and really look at the bill. Who's going to be inspecting people's genitalia 102 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:09,040 to make sure their genitalia matches their birth gender? And also, why? I guess it's because it is 103 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:16,160 Florida. But why is genitalia so important to people? Like, if you're not going to be like 104 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:22,320 interacting with them in a sexual manner, then why does it matter? Well, the big important thing 105 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:30,080 to take away there is now in those states where that's law, you have to meet, you have to be 106 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:37,360 in that society's idea of what female looks like for people to be comfortable with you in that 107 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:43,520 bathroom. Yeah, it's going to boil down to basically coming down to people's personal opinion of 108 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:52,560 if you pass. Yeah, which is crazy. And I also think, you know, you kind of ask like, who's going 109 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:59,440 to be inspecting people? Yeah, but people are going to be apples, sorry, but they will be in 110 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,300 going to be like, Oh, I think this is a person using the 111 00:11:02,300 --> 00:11:04,380 incorrect bathroom. I'm a call 911. 112 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:09,180 And really what those laws do is they protect those people that 113 00:11:09,180 --> 00:11:13,180 are bigoted that want to get involved with your genitals. 114 00:11:13,980 --> 00:11:15,280 That's who it protects. 115 00:11:15,460 --> 00:11:19,220 Also, I'm just kind of I'm just kind of picturing this bogging 116 00:11:19,220 --> 00:11:26,080 down law enforcement. So imagine you you're trying to go about 117 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,500 your day, right? You have a schedule, you wake up in the 118 00:11:29,500 --> 00:11:33,180 morning, you write three people tickets for speeding, you go and 119 00:11:33,180 --> 00:11:37,720 you get a box of donuts, right? And then, you know, you're 120 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,560 trying to respond, you're trying to save lives, or maybe, you 121 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:44,920 know, someone's in need, something like that. Oh, nope. 122 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:49,880 I'm responding to a 1093 at the target restroom because someone 123 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,720 may be using the incorrect bathroom. 124 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:57,800 Grandma Martha over here is like having a panic attack because 125 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,000 some trans persons in the bathroom got a Karen in the 126 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:05,400 bathroom, trying to get violent with a trans woman or mask 127 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:10,040 presenting. Yeah, or that's like it might come down to the point 128 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,840 where they're like, Well, let me see your birth certificate. And 129 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,480 that person's like, Well, here it is. Yeah, I have my handy 130 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,500 dandy pocket sized birth certificate. Well, it's kind of 131 00:12:19,500 --> 00:12:23,320 like, they're gonna have to start like frickin carrying your 132 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,880 papers. I know. Yeah. Here are my gender papers. Here's my 133 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:32,040 gender papers. And I mean, ridiculous. I mean, no disrespect 134 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,880 to our law enforcement. My my dad was a police officer. I'm 135 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,400 99% sure he would 100% agree to me and probably say something 136 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,600 like, this is stupid. It's probably what he would say. 137 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,800 Yeah, it's a waste of resources and time. Yeah, they don't care. 138 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:54,120 They like showing up to a call like that. They're like, why? Oh, 139 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,760 yeah, I should be doing something much more important 140 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,200 than this. Yeah. Like, like stopping me from speeding or 141 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,200 something. Oh, my gosh, it just, the thing that like popped into 142 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,400 my head was like, remember, back in like elementary school or 143 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,480 middle school, we'd have like hall patrols. Yeah, right. Like 144 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,480 make sure you're like, make sure you're in class. Oh, do you 145 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,640 have your pass? It's like, this might create more jobs for 146 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,440 people. Yeah, they could be like, I could be the bathroom 147 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:28,000 monitor. Like a inspector. Yeah. Yeah. I'd take that job. I'm 148 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,520 I'm very qualified for that job. It's like, what was that? 149 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,480 What's the thing that they teach you in school? The golden rule? 150 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:41,560 Punch them in the face. The the other one. Just treat people how 151 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:44,800 you want to be treated. Yeah, you know, so you like to be 152 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,560 respected in a certain way. 153 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:51,440 No. Well, you know, if you give a little respect, you'll get a 154 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,400 little respect back. If you're going to ask me about my penis 155 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,040 in public. Well, guess what? I'm going to ask about your penis in 156 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,960 public. Very simple. Well, some of them might want that, though. 157 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,040 This is true. And see, I was I was thinking about the other 158 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,240 golden rule, just so everyone knows. If someone disrespects 159 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,960 you, punch them in the face. I'm kidding. 160 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,680 We don't advocate for violence on our on our show. 161 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,200 We do not. I'm just kidding. Yeah. 162 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:20,440 When you get to know me, I'm always kind of the joke 163 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,120 jokester of the crew. So. 164 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,480 Is that so? Is that so? Oh, is that so? 165 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,680 Are you sure about that? Are you sure about that? 166 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,200 We need that button. 167 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,400 The people are making a big deal out of the whole restroom 168 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,880 argument. They're not viewing it the same way, obviously, as 169 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,440 we are. Yeah. And I want to use a specific old terminology 170 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,560 that I'm pretty sure is not accepted anymore today. 171 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,640 But it it goes back to 172 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,920 transsexuals. 173 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,640 And I know a long time ago, it was kind of like a lot of 174 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,240 people viewed it as being transsexual because they thought 175 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,520 it was a sexual thing, not an actual gender identity. 176 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,120 Right. And obviously, we've kind of been 177 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:11,680 improved, but I feel like they are stuck there in this sexual 178 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,200 deviancy. 179 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:17,800 Well, using that type of terminology does kind of strip 180 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:23,480 us of our identity because they they boil it down to sexuality. 181 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,600 I'm not a trans person because I identify that way. 182 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,680 I'm a trans person because it's my sexuality. 183 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:34,200 Maybe that's what my sexuality drives this persona. 184 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,000 I guess is what they're trying to say. 185 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,800 Or maybe that helps them be able to justify hating us. 186 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,960 Like, you know, instead of being like they're transgender people, 187 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,360 be like they're transsexuals. 188 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,520 Yeah, it makes it sounds more perverse than saying trans 189 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,040 person. It does have a more negative connotation to it. 190 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,160 So, of course, of course, they would prefer to use that term, 191 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,360 especially if they're talking in public, you know, about it, 192 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,400 like at like any kind of meeting or program. 193 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,440 They're going to try to make us look bad. Right. 194 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:05,600 Or transvestites. 195 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,200 I love that one, too, because then that just that just says it's 196 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,080 a person dressing that way. 197 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,080 Mm hmm. Yeah. 198 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,200 Yeah. Terminology, terminology. 199 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:22,040 I do like the only times basically that happens 200 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,280 very often in the restrooms that I do not feel safe. 201 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,200 Or when there's little kids in the restroom. 202 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,200 I'm not terrified of those little guys. 203 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:33,200 I'm terrified. 204 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,560 No, they're always screaming. 205 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,720 They're making a mess everywhere. 206 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,240 They don't understand line systems. 207 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,920 So you're like waiting in line. They just go in just like on a plane. 208 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,080 Yeah. They're the worst on planes. 209 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,240 Yeah. Oh, movies, movies. 210 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,840 Yeah. I think if anything, they should just go in and do it. 211 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,560 Yeah, I think if anything, they should just be banning children from places. 212 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:03,360 Yeah. To be completely honest, that would save everyone a lot of trouble. 213 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,760 All this bathroom talk and stuff started from your experience 214 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,080 in gender neutral bathroom at what was the show that you went to? 215 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:16,800 What was we kind of went on a whole little conversation or a side conversation? 216 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,240 It's kind of like we forgot what we were talking about there for a moment. 217 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,280 Never happens. We follow the script. 218 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:24,640 We follow the script. 219 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:29,080 We never get sidetracked and we never have side conversations or sidebars. 220 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,680 Right. Right. Right. 221 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,800 Never. Never. Yeah. 222 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:40,760 Anyways, see if the Seattle erotic art festival. 223 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,360 How was that? Oh, yeah. 224 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:48,360 You're you're posting tons of pictures in the discord I saw. 225 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,000 Yes. So that's actually a really good point. 226 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:56,080 If you want to kind of interact with us more or on a different level, 227 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,280 I would say definitely check out our discord. 228 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,160 There's links in all of our videos at the bottom on YouTube. 229 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:08,280 So. Yeah. 230 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,600 So, for instance, I went to I went to the Seattle erotic art festival. 231 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,680 I was taking tons of videos and everything like that, 232 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,920 and I was just posting them in the discord server. 233 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,760 I don't know if I don't know if you guys liked it or not, but I was doing it. 234 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,080 And also some of those were spicy images. 235 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,680 I liked them. Yeah. 236 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,360 I was like, whoa, they all the bondage. 237 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:31,800 I was. Yeah. Oh, yeah. 238 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,440 It was it was I like how they display it. 239 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,600 Like, it's very art artsy, very artsy. 240 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,960 So that will be. 241 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,560 That's like one of the biggest things I really love about 242 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,000 Shabari is that to me, it's not. 243 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:54,680 It's not sexual. 244 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,680 It's not like. 245 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,840 Perverse, it's not nudity for the sake of nudity. 246 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,640 It's very artistic. 247 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,000 You take a very simple person rope. 248 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,600 And then you make like this beautiful art form, 249 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,360 and there's so much that you can do with it. 250 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:16,520 And I think that's I'm kind of going to go back to the 251 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,600 I'm kind of going on a little weird art tangent year. 252 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,920 But I remember when I was in college in art class. 253 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,440 There there was a we we were shown like a piece of art, 254 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:35,400 and it was, you know, very abstract paint, just kind of thrown on it. 255 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,760 Somebody was like, how is that art? 256 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:38,920 How is that famous? 257 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,880 I could do that, like, give me those colors and I can throw it on the canvas. 258 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:47,160 And the art teacher said the fact that you did not do it makes it art. 259 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:47,760 Yeah. 260 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,960 So this is what one person did with very simple colors and a canvas. 261 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,760 And to me, that's that's Shabari. 262 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,920 That's very simple rope. 263 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:02,000 However, you can get very crazy with the knots and then suspension play 264 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,440 and how how you tie somebody up. 265 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,040 It's almost like endless. 266 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,640 People are the canvas at that point. 267 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,720 Yeah. And actually, there was a very, very 268 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,280 there was a performance that I just loved so much. 269 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,040 It was a Bob Ross performance. Really? Wow. 270 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,600 Yeah. But but but Shabari, but Shabari. 271 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,240 Oh, that's cool. Suspensions Shabari. 272 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,200 Did he put happy little trees like how did that work? 273 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,240 Did he tie them into happy little trees? 274 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,960 Yes. Yes. 275 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,280 In fact, he tied them up to a happy little tree. 276 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:41,400 No. So it started off kind of very playful. 277 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,400 So you had Bob Ross painting a picture. 278 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,840 You had a female kind of like trying to model and Bob Ross wasn't very happy. 279 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,000 He was making a lot of mistakes. 280 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,640 And eventually it leads into. 281 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:03,920 Him them him then using her kind of as a canvas, so tying her up, 282 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,600 suspending her, putting paint on her, 283 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,640 having her drip the paint onto the canvases below. 284 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,120 And it was it was an amazing, amazing performance. 285 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,360 I absolutely loved it. 286 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,680 And they actually gave out the canvases to like the audience. 287 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,480 And I have one. It's really cool. 288 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,360 And they like autographed it and very, very nice. 289 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,320 That sounds like a couple. You have to show us. 290 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,440 That's yeah. Yeah. I don't think we got to see that part. 291 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,640 But I definitely saw a lot of the pictures that you posted in the discord. 292 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:36,600 So it looked like a lot of fun. 293 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,960 And I will say it's just the whole atmosphere. 294 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,800 Right. So you go into a place. 295 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:52,240 And all of a sudden, the things that you like are 100 percent normal and accepted. 296 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:58,480 And by no means are you're kind of like the weird one in the group or in the room. 297 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,440 You're you're surrounded by thousands of people that are just like you, 298 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,280 that like the things that you like. 299 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,480 And yeah, for me, it was just amazing. 300 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:13,680 I it's hard. It's hard to form into words when you're like in a space 301 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,680 where you're so accepted. Yeah. 302 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,240 And it's you don't have to worry. 303 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,000 You know, there's no worry to. 304 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,680 Express yourself the way you want to. 305 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,440 Like you could walk around in a total Shabari rope 306 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,920 like outfit, and that's it. 307 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,440 And no one's going to look twice at you. Right. 308 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,240 And openly talk about rope all you want with whoever. 309 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,160 Because or dungeon stuff, you know, it's accepted amongst everyone there. 310 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,560 Yeah. And you get to go and you get to like kind of sit 311 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,480 and watch panels of people discussing about like porn today. 312 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,440 I got to meet an author of a book. 313 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:57,000 A boy named Sue, and he was very nice to kind of get to know. 314 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,000 I did know of the book before meeting him. 315 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,680 So as soon as I like saw like author of A Boy Named Sue, I was like, 316 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,520 oh, my gosh. Holy crap. 317 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,720 I'm a big fan. And you know, for instance, like hearing his talk, 318 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,160 it was really kind of uplifting 319 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,920 him talking about his personal struggles of shedding the skin 320 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,680 of who he pretended to be all these years and finally getting to be himself. 321 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,160 And yeah, it's it was amazing. 322 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,000 I definitely felt like, you know, I went to it and then 323 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,040 yeah, going back to work Monday morning, it was like. 324 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,280 You're like, why am I here? I want to go back. 325 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,360 Just staring at like, you know, everything seemed kind of like colorless. 326 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,960 Almost mundane. Yeah, mundane. 327 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,240 And it was like, oh. 328 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,200 Oh, can't can't top this. 329 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,040 Seattle erotic art festival, you know. Yeah. 330 00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:57,480 Yeah, it's it's a shame we didn't get to go this year, hopefully next year. 331 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,560 Oh, however, I will say, however, 332 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,920 even though, yes, I 100 percent. 333 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,360 Believe you two should have went, I think you would have enjoyed it very much. 334 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:14,360 We are going all three of us to a Shabari class. 335 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,680 Oh, yeah, that's right. You got to signed up, right? 336 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,240 Yes, I believe it's in July. 337 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,160 I would need a double check to say that. 338 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,640 Yeah, that's going to be really exciting. 339 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:29,120 Maybe we'll get some clips and post on the natural some YouTube page. 340 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,200 Maybe I'll start calling it you to you to yes. Yeah. 341 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,120 On the UTS on the on the UTS YouTube page. 342 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,760 Yeah, that's exciting. 343 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:45,840 Maybe we can ask and see if there's a policy on videotaping. 344 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,400 I will have to double check. 345 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,240 It's a very small class. 346 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,520 It's reserved for, I believe, eight couples. 347 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:59,040 Obviously, they don't want probably pictures and filming of other groups 348 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,000 and stuff, but oh, yeah, just you. 349 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,000 It'll all be a matter of consent and who's OK with it. 350 00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:06,280 It's but we'll have to talk with them. 351 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,320 But yeah, that'd be super cool. Yeah. 352 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,440 I'm excited. I'm very excited. 353 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,920 I like getting learning and showing what we've learned. 354 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,120 Yeah, be really cool. 355 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:22,480 No. Seattle Erotic Art Festival. 356 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,520 Yeah, anything else to add to it? 357 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,800 Oh, like was your was your favorite part? 358 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,040 You did talk a lot about the Bob Rouse exhibit, 359 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,000 but like, is there anything else that really stood out? 360 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,840 And I know you also met someone, an author of a book that you read. 361 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,720 But come on, there's got to be something else. 362 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,560 You know, there's got to be there's nothing else. 363 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,840 It's it's really hard. 364 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,200 Like. So obviously, it's an 365 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,600 maybe I should just kind of explain it a little bit more. 366 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,280 So it isn't an art festival, so you do get to walk around 367 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:06,400 and see submitted pieces of art and different forms and formats. 368 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,800 OK, so for me, I've always been very. 369 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,160 More artistic, if you will, so I love drawing. 370 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,560 So I love walking around looking at art. 371 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,440 I, for instance, they did have a section off to the side 372 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,160 where they had like nude models that would do different poses 373 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,240 and you would sit there and sketch them. 374 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,480 I sat there for a few of those and did some sketch work. 375 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,360 No, I'm not going to share them. 376 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:38,880 So that's something that I'm always very kind of like. 377 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,800 I always think I'm like my biggest critic. 378 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,520 My wife thinks I should go and sell art and do stuff with my art. 379 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,120 And I'm always like, no, I don't even think we've seen it yet. 380 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,760 Yeah, but anyway, you're. 381 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,640 Why are you scared? 382 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,720 It's it's a little shy. 383 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,320 I it's not necessarily a shy thing. 384 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,640 It's when I get done with a piece of art, I look at it 385 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,760 and I just see like the imperfections. 386 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,600 It's hard for you to see a project is done. 387 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,240 Yeah, that makes sense. 388 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,200 So I'm always like, oh, I would do this differently. 389 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,320 Let me redo it. 390 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,480 And then I'm like, oh, I would do that differently. 391 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,560 Let me redo it. 392 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,320 Oh, and then it's just like it never to me is 100 percent done. 393 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,160 I mean, I think I think a lot of art is kind of trial and error. 394 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,520 Yeah, yeah, I feel the same. 395 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,840 I want to make music or even editing the podcast. 396 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,480 Sometimes when I finish it, like, oh, whatever, I'm just going to let go. 397 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,520 Because like if I keep editing and editing and editing it, 398 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,760 it won't be that original creation I saw in my mind. 399 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,720 It will be something totally different and probably worse 400 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,240 than what I originally had. 401 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,720 Because sometimes the first iteration of something is your best iteration. 402 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,120 It's just you're over you're overlooking it because you think 403 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:57,680 you're just over criticizing yourself. 404 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,120 Yeah. And I think I think for like work, it's a little different. 405 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:07,920 So like when I'm typing up like an engineering report, I'm very much 406 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:08,920 there is like it. 407 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,200 I do want it to be perfect. 408 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,440 But there is a cut off point where it's like I've spent too much time on it. 409 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,160 Submit it. I turn it in. 410 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,440 Same with college, you know, like writing reports. 411 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,360 It's like, OK, there's there has to be like a you're done. 412 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,840 With the podcast, I will say I kind of struggled with like the William Marston 413 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,520 series. It took so long for us to kind of get that 414 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,840 going because I was always like, no, I need to like I need it. 415 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,200 I need to make changes to it. I need to change this. 416 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,600 I need to do that, like in my actual notes. 417 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,640 And I also was like trying to like figure out how I was going to like present 418 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:45,640 the information. 419 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:52,640 I think that was good, though, that we we started, you know, a few episodes 420 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,080 and on the series because, you know, it gave us a chance to kind of like get 421 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,080 into a groove. Yeah. 422 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,120 Shooting, you know, like the William Marston series. 423 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,120 May have been a little. 424 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,400 I know a little bad 425 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,720 for our first, you know, a couple of episodes just because we didn't have 426 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,800 like a group. We didn't even have like a natural like element to our podcast 427 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:18,720 yet. Like I know you and I, we've been friends for many years, but it's like 428 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,200 adding a new friend to our group, you know, like it's going to take a while to 429 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,600 form that chemistry. 430 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,600 Right. And yeah, I also think like we're still very much trying to find our 431 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,840 voice, establish who we are as a podcast. 432 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:38,200 And then we we jump into this very daunting like research project. 433 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,360 Yeah. Like William Marston go like, OK. 434 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,800 Yeah, this seems like a like a college paper that you would be doing for like, 435 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,520 you know. 436 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:48,880 A big grade. 437 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,720 Yeah, like a final, you know, a final project. 438 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,840 But if you haven't checked it out already, the the first episode is actually 439 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,400 published on YouTube and Spotify and all the other podcasts. 440 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,200 We'll get into that later. But yeah, so go check it out. 441 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,360 Yeah. Part three will be coming out soon. 442 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,360 So make sure you go take a look. 443 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,760 But just to wrap up, Steve, they had a main stage with burlesque 444 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:23,000 performances, some strip teases, panels talking about stuff. 445 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,520 That was going to be my other question. 446 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:25,520 Was there nudity? 447 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,520 Yes. OK. 448 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,480 But tasteful nudity. 449 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,320 They did. I did not go to this. 450 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,120 It was a I believe at a different venue. 451 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,600 They had the. 452 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:43,240 Trying to remember what it was called, but essentially it was an amateur. 453 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,840 Erotic film like a short film that you could submit. 454 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,680 Oh, and you could go and watch all the short films. 455 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,440 Like a film festival kind of thing. 456 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,720 Yes. And it was cool. 457 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,320 Is it like soft core? 458 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,840 Film festival. Like, how does that work? 459 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,920 So I I was told that it was it was very. 460 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,080 Dependent on who submitted what could be pornographic. 461 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,360 It was pornographic is what I was told. 462 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,680 Oh, I didn't go. 463 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:18,440 I was too much like nerding out over art and wrote art and wrote. 464 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,640 Yeah, that's fair. 465 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,920 And that's the thing. Right. 466 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,720 So you have these chase over there with art and rope 467 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,240 and the pair of really large titties walks by. 468 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,680 He's like, yeah. 469 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,760 Oh, and that's hope. 470 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,920 And that's like that's the thing is you have these different corners 471 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,040 where stuff is always going on. 472 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:43,040 So I specifically for the most part kind of sat in the Shabari area 473 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,240 and kind of hung out there for the most part. 474 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,560 So there was there was a lot of other stuff going on that I kind of missed. 475 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,560 Oh, yeah. 476 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,760 But I did. I did see, for instance, there's there's people dressed. 477 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,520 However, you could imagine. Right. 478 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,840 There's cool. There's people dressed in latex from head to toe. 479 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,200 Laundry. Laundry. 480 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,960 So you get excited for next year. 481 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,960 Yeah, I did. 482 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,120 Like I did ask one person like, hey, I love your outfit. 483 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,120 Like, where did you get that? 484 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,800 Because it was kind of like a mid-eastern style. 485 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,520 I love your outfit. Like, where did you get that? Because it was kind of like a 486 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,560 medieval chainmail. 487 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,920 Oh, yeah. Oh, that sounds really cool. 488 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,080 Where did you get this? Did they make it? 489 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,520 They bought it off Etsy. 490 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,800 Ah, that's one of the best things on Etsy. 491 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,920 Yeah, that's where we got our 492 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,560 Queen Maeve and Starlight cosplays from. 493 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,120 They were expensive, but handmade. 494 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,920 Yeah, really good. Well worth it. 495 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,080 Well worth it. Yeah. 496 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,960 I mean, if you haven't seen it, go check out her Instagram. 497 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,960 I wish Etsy had a wish list. 498 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:44,960 They do. 499 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,480 No, I mean, I mean, like, like a public. 500 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,600 Yeah, because, you know, like, in case your fans want to, like, 501 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,800 get you something off of there. 502 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,640 Yeah, that'd be nice. 503 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,320 Sounds like you had a really good time there. 504 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,880 And next year, it'll be really fun because I'm going to wear the hottest outfit. 505 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:10,400 And I'm going to maybe we can submit something for, like, the video festival. 506 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,240 Maybe or or even like try to get our podcast on there. 507 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,600 There I did actually make a few connections. 508 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,120 I can't promise anything. 509 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,240 I am. Yeah. 510 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,080 I am trying to reach out to get some of those people on our podcast. 511 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,560 That would be wonderful. 512 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,960 And as a personal goal, goal, I did state, oh, 513 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,040 I will be submitting artwork. 514 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,880 Oh, so you will submit artwork like the artwork that you're like, 515 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,800 oh, I want to submit it. 516 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:43,800 I'm going to. 517 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,080 You got to get over your shyness. 518 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:45,880 You got to. 519 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,720 If you that's the thing, your artwork might be way better than you think it is. 520 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,080 And you might have like a huge fan base waiting to see it. 521 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,560 I don't think it's a shyness. 522 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,920 I think it's a perfectionist. 523 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,360 Yeah. Yeah. Very critical of what I personally do. 524 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,400 That's what I took from that, too. Yeah. 525 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,440 Mixed with the little shyness. 526 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,880 Just a little. A smidge. 527 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,560 So, yeah, we have a discord. 528 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,720 If you want to join our discord 529 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,440 and talk about the Seattle Erotic Art Festival. 530 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,840 And I do want to point out, so I have been a part of discords 531 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,080 where the content creators or the owners, 532 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,200 they don't really interact with the members of their discord. 533 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,600 I know often we get very kind of busy with all the other stuff that we do. 534 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,920 However, I do say we are pretty active in our discord. 535 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,480 For instance, we did like the live stream 536 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,680 only for our discord where we jumped on and anyone on the discord could join 537 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,720 and ask us questions and just chat and mingle. 538 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,160 And for the most part, we're kind of in there. 539 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,880 At least one of us every day kind of just chatting or posting. 540 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,560 So if you all need to reach us or talk about anything, 541 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,760 that's definitely where to try to get us. 542 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,000 We'll try to, you know, respond. 543 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,480 Yeah. And if there's topics that you think that we should talk about, 544 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,320 that's the best place to get us that information. 545 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,160 Aside from like CF, I know we had other things to talk about, 546 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:25,760 mostly trans related. 547 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,960 Nikki was going to bring something up 548 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,120 about a representative, a representative in Montana. 549 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,120 Oh, yeah. 550 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,760 So a representative in Montana who happens to be transgender. 551 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,920 Oh, wow. Was voted to be removed from the floor, like the room. 552 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,960 So like she can't go to like work at her seat anymore. 553 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:53,840 Can't like talk or even be in the in the area or in the room. 554 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,520 Sorry. Right. Right. 555 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:01,400 So apparently it's because she wouldn't apologize for a comment that she made. 556 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:08,360 She was, you know, advocating for gender affirming care. 557 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,520 Of course. You know, for. 558 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:12,840 Fighting for people. 559 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,560 Yeah. For, you know, transgender people to representing her people more like. 560 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,800 Right. And she was, you know, selected by the people to represent. 561 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,960 Yeah. Right. Right. Representing. 562 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,720 Yeah. Her job. Yeah. 563 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:31,280 So that bill was passed. 564 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,320 And she was upset about it. 565 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,320 And she. Which bill was that? 566 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,520 The one banning it. 567 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,160 Banning. Oh, gender affirming care. 568 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,360 That's right. Sorry. Right. So. 569 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:51,520 She said to everyone in the room, you know, next time you bow your head in prayer, 570 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,240 know that the blood on your hands is yours. 571 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,240 Powerful statement. I mean, yeah, it's true, because like. 572 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:04,920 Then passing, trying voting together to pass a bill like that is literally putting 573 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:11,320 a lot of our community at risk because they see that as people don't accept us. 574 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:17,280 People hate us. We get depressed and some of us hurt ourselves because of this. 575 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,600 And some of us end up taking our lives. 576 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,200 And I guarantee you, there's a lot of people that already have. 577 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:30,440 Yeah, I mean, not being allowed to exist in the way that you want to exist, 578 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,800 not being seen in the way that you want to be seen. 579 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,800 That's that's hard for a lot of people. 580 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,440 And. Yeah, people hurt themselves. 581 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,440 It's unfortunate. I can't believe. 582 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,520 I can't believe they even like I don't know much about like right now. 583 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,120 And I don't know much about like represent House representatives 584 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,560 or anything of that sort or career politicians. 585 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,080 But I can't believe they were able to just vote her out. 586 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:05,000 Like, well, so conservatives hold two thirds of that establishment. 587 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:12,160 So so when she decided not to apologize, you know, like you have to say you're sorry. 588 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,760 And she's like, no, I'm not going to say I'm sorry. 589 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,840 This is how I feel. 590 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,680 It's not like she was being rude about it. 591 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,440 She was just being honest. Yeah. 592 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,680 So but two thirds didn't like that. 593 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,560 And they quickly voted her to leave. 594 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:31,040 And she's. You know, having to do her job remotely now. 595 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,640 Yeah. How do you feel about that, Jay? 596 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:39,320 I know you're not. Trans, but I don't like politics at all. 597 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,440 Me neither. I saw like a lot of the only reason why we brought it up 598 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,160 is because she is trans and she's just a couple of states over. 599 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,480 These are like our neighbors. Yeah. 600 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:56,080 If if we get into politics at all, it usually heavily deals with either BDSM 601 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,600 relating to Jay or trans or it has to deal with us in some way. 602 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,280 We don't just bring up politics to bring up politics. 603 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,520 And if we do, it's usually to make fun of politics 604 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,520 or poke fun at it. 605 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,600 But yeah, it's just it's another trans person 606 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,040 standing up and being silenced, trying to do the right thing for her and her people. 607 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,120 You know, yeah. 608 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,080 It's getting scary out there in America, but we're not people. 609 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:34,480 So I think I'm a weird alien creature from a different planet. 610 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,000 I mean, does that go back to the old terminology of transsexuals? 611 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,200 Like and dehumanization. 612 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,920 And again, I always when I see people that are fighting against trans rights, 613 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,400 they always seem to be much older than us. Oh. 614 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,120 And I kind of just wonder, like, is that is it part of the terminology? 615 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,440 I mean, and supremely, they're either much older than us 616 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,960 or younger and supremely religious. 617 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,720 It's just those back in my day people, you know. 618 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:14,520 Yeah. But see, the mental health counselor 619 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:21,280 that I was lucky to work with, both on passing 620 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:27,000 some very positive mental health things for students of the college 621 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:32,680 that I went to and then also the person, the same person that I went to. 622 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:39,680 To get get help about my kind of kinky BDSM side. 623 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,480 She was very religious, and I should say it still is very religious. 624 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,880 She never pushed her religion onto me. 625 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:56,680 She at the end of the day, she wanted to help me 626 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,960 become the best person that I could be. 627 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:03,400 And she she kind of viewed it as. 628 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,800 You know, I might not 100 percent agree with your lifestyle. 629 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,280 However, if you need help, I'm going to help you 630 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:18,320 and I'm going to help you accept who you are rather than trying to change you. 631 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,200 And I feel like a lot of religious people. 632 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,680 Miss that point, right? 633 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,480 Yeah. Well, they may be a little bit more 634 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,240 point, right? Yeah. Well, they make it about themselves. 635 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,240 Yeah, they don't. 636 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:35,600 They're like, Jesus wants you to change. 637 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,160 You're never really a factor in those situations. 638 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,920 It's all about how you make them feel as a person. Yeah. 639 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,520 And they're, you know, is this sin? 640 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,120 Am I sinning by helping this person? 641 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,960 And actually, another person that I was speaking with. 642 00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,160 They were very kind of curious about BDSM and stuff. 643 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,000 They were also very religious. 644 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,360 And, you know, I was they would ask questions 645 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,880 and we would talk and talk and talk and talk about it. 646 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,560 And then finally, one time I just asked, I was like, you know, I 647 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,600 I have to ask you a question here. 648 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,040 Like, you're very curious. 649 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,840 You're asking all these questions. 650 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,520 Like, how do you how do you feel about this topic with you being so religious? 651 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,600 And he pretty much was like, you know, I might not agree with it, 652 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,320 but it's something I don't know anything about and I'm very curious. 653 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,720 And also he was like, I'm not going to push my religion onto you. 654 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,160 But if you go back and you look at the scripture, Jesus, 655 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,040 the people that he hung out with were sinners. 656 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:42,680 He hung out with sinners all the time. 657 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,960 And it was more how he viewed it. 658 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:51,080 He said it was more so about just trying to be a positive person. 659 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,840 To be a positive influence around them. 660 00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:00,880 And not so much like trying to like cast that first stone, if you will, 661 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:05,520 and kind of demonize what they were doing and trying to change them. 662 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,960 It was like just trying to get to know like who they were, where they came from. 663 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,560 Exactly. And then just being a positive influence. 664 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,320 And then if you wanted to change, hey, you feel comfortable. 665 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,840 You can come talk to me about religion and stuff like that. 666 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,880 But I'm not going to push it on you. 667 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,120 Yeah. And me and me and Jenny, we don't like hate religious people. 668 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,800 Oh, no, definitely not. 669 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,040 In fact, I love talking to religious people that love talking to me 670 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,120 because I feel like it's educational on both sides. 671 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,560 You know, sometimes they give me a piece of the Bible that I never knew about. 672 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:40,840 And sometimes most times I give them information about trans people 673 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,480 that wakes them up. They're like, holy crap. 674 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,680 Wow. They're just people. 675 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,000 And then they realize some people will realize that they can be religious 676 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,760 and accept every human as the way they want to be. 677 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,680 Just because you think my life is sin doesn't mean you have to push that upon me. 678 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,720 You can keep that to yourself and still be my friend and still enjoy life. 679 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,720 You know, like, let's let's worry about now here 680 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,760 where we're presently at in the one life that we have. Yeah. 681 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,440 Definitely. 682 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,040 So I think that kind of wraps up things that we're talking about today. 683 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,720 But we had it we had a pretty pretty much everywhere today. But yeah, 684 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,480 we we've been having a lot of activity in our discord lately, 685 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,280 and we've been kind of posting in there often. 686 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,400 Jay was talking about earlier an episode how he has been posting 687 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,640 the Seattle erotic art festival pictures in there. 688 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,600 Nikki's been posting selfies and I've been that doesn't sound like me. 689 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,960 I've been trying to be kind of active with all the editing. 690 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,400 Hey, something if you all are interested, we do live streams 691 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,040 on our discord with our fans. 692 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,840 If you want to talk to us, we're still trying to decide on days 693 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,600 that work best for everybody. 694 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:57,040 But if that's something that you'd like to participate in, join our discord 695 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,000 and you can chat to us, you know, in person. Yeah, definitely. 696 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,600 And live stream went pretty well, too. Yeah. Thanks to 697 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,560 the one fan that came out there and joined us. 698 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:12,400 You know who you are. Yeah, you know who you are. Yeah, you do. 699 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:18,520 I also want to point out that obviously you can watch the podcast on YouTube, 700 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:23,640 but you can also go to Spotify, Amazon Music, Samsung Podcasts. 701 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,640 Most podcast streaming services have a podcast platform, 702 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,960 Apple Podcasts, Podcasts, index. 703 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,280 If it exists, it should be there. 704 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,880 We have our RSS feed. We have so many podcast sources. 705 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,520 You could just catch us podcasting podcasts. 706 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,880 And we have a Patreon. 707 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,720 We do have a Patreon. 708 00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:51,080 And also, if you enjoy the content that we create, 709 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,360 please go buy us a coffee on Ko-fi. 710 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,880 Oh, yeah. What? Wait, hold on. 711 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,920 Is it really called Ko-fi because you just buying people coffee? 712 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,720 Ko-fi coffee. 713 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:04,360 Or is that like is that like a patron kind of thing? 714 00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:07,400 That's its own thing. It's its own thing. 715 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,040 You can just do a one time donation. 716 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,560 So like all the stuff that I was like looking at on Discord, 717 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,640 it was all sub base, like doing subscriptions. 718 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,520 Oh, OK. So it's kind of like Patreon. 719 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,440 I thought it was literally because it's named Ko-fi. 720 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:22,800 You made a joke. You want to know? 721 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,920 Never mind. But somebody tipped us money for coffee. 722 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,200 Oh, they did. Yeah. 723 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,480 Cringelord. 724 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,200 Why aren't we drinking our coffee right now? 725 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,080 Cringelord, thank you for your donation on Ko-fi for coffee. 726 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,440 Yeah. 727 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,160 Well, coffee helps us. 728 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,720 Coffee keeps us awake. 729 00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:44,520 And special thanks to Atiyo, who recommended the AI. 730 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,320 Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 731 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,400 It's been saving my life. Oh, my God. 732 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,000 You have no idea. 733 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,120 So much time is being saved now. 734 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,840 Yeah, just make sure you're catching us for our live updates on Twitter. 735 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,800 If you want to catch more of us talking one on one, 736 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,440 things of that nature, maybe share some food porn or, you know, 737 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,960 your selfies, memes or all that nonsense. 738 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,160 We got Discord. 739 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,000 All the links will be down below, of course. 740 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,360 Make sure you subscribe and hit the bell notification 741 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:18,320 because that will let you know when we're going to post a new video or short. 742 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,080 And I'll give you an email notification. 743 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,120 So, yeah, just click that bell. 744 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,400 Also, we love all of you for trying to support us staying 745 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,400 active in our Discord, giving us suggestions. 746 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:30,400 We love it all. 747 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,640 Thank you. Thank you so much. 748 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,680 So this has been an Unnatural Assum podcast. 749 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,680 Thank you for joining us on our talk about the Seattle Erotic Art Festival 750 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,280 and a couple other sidebar conversations, 751 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,400 including about Zoe Zephyr and Florida bathroom walls. 752 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,400 I hate that. Anyway, I've been Jayden Banks. 753 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:51,400 See you later. 754 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,400 Stay kinky. That's an order. 755 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,400 Until next time, I'm Nikki Zephyr. 756 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,400 Thank you.